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[Gavinthelocust]

I think some people here are looking far too deeply into things and getting too passionate about whether or not a made up organization helps people in a video game that hasn't been released yet. Since when did the idea of a human military group helping humans on the human home planet warrant a 24 page argument?

[dahoughtonuk]

Sigh. Someone has to pay for the Alliance. If the majority on the population is on Earth and you want to spread out to the colonies? High taxes on Earth low on the colonies. This makes sense from what we can tell and is exactly how Earth did it previously.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

The Alliance forces earth to pay taxes,

Source.

Common sense.

How the hell do you think the Alliance can afford to train all their troops, build their ships and R&D new weapons and defenses? Just the Normandy alone cost hundreds of millions of credits. I don't think some private funder can give them that kind of money.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Alliance forces earth to pay taxes,

Source.

Common sense.

How the hell do you think the Alliance can afford to train all their troops, build their ships and R&D new weapons and defenses? Just the Normandy alone cost hundreds of millions of credits. I don't think some private funder can give them that kind of money.

He seems to think recently settled planets are churning out the trillions of credits in taxdollars that Earth is.

NEWS FLASH-USA is now taxing Puerto Rico exclusively to pay for its new Gerald R. Ford-class supercarriers.<<<this is what he is implying.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:55 .

[Fixers0]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
 you're right...the SA pulls money out of their asses and makes it with magic. You are the only one allowed to make unbased assumptions and be 100% absolutely right,but when someone makes a point that makes sense they are just being sentimental....you're an idiot.

Manner please, any personal attack will be reported.

I find it much more believable that colonies that are actively run by the Alliance pay taxes rather then civilians on earth who never set a foot aboard a spacehips.

Modifié par Fixers0, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

Source,

All that is stated about the Alliance and earth in the codex is that the Alliance act as a general image of earth and that Alliance get's political support from the larger nations.

What would you think that would happen if All members of the UN suddenly need to pay for whatever.

Alliance isn't like UN, that would be Council.

But Alliance is like NATO and guess what? NATO members need to pay membership fee every year.

For example, Republic of Croatia needs to pay 3-4 million Euros.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Alliance forces earth to pay taxes,

Source.

Common sense.

How the hell do you think the Alliance can afford to train all their troops, build their ships and R&D new weapons and defenses? Just the Normandy alone cost hundreds of millions of credits. I don't think some private funder can give them that kind of money.

Ingame sources please, even a hint would work.

Considering the Alliance mainly represent the ''Humanity as a whole'' it would make sense that  not only the colonies but also human companies fund the Alliance as they need it to advace further into the galaxy and help protect their assets.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Source,

All that is stated about the Alliance and earth in the codex is that the Alliance act as a general image of earth and that Alliance get's political support from the larger nations.

What would you think that would happen if All members of the UN suddenly need to pay for whatever.

Alliance isn't like UN, that would be Council.

But Alliance is like NATO and guess what? NATO members need to pay membership fee every year.

For example, Republic of Croatia needs to pay 3-4 million Euros.

So, what it was just a basic commarision, there still is no source that explains if earth pays taxes on earth.

 

[Sgt Stryker]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Alliance forces earth to pay taxes,

Source.

Common sense.

How the hell do you think the Alliance can afford to train all their troops, build their ships and R&D new weapons and defenses? Just the Normandy alone cost hundreds of millions of credits. I don't think some private funder can give them that kind of money.

Let's do the math. Assume Earth has a population of 11 billion, and human colonies & stations have a total population of 100 million (generous figure, but bear with me). Furthermore, the Codex states that less than 3% of humans volunteer for the military. If we assume an upper limit of 3% of 11 billion, we have 330 million people serving in the military. Do you really think 1 colonist can support 3 Alliance military personell? Get real.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Alliance forces earth to pay taxes,

Source.

Common sense.

How the hell do you think the Alliance can afford to train all their troops, build their ships and R&D new weapons and defenses? Just the Normandy alone cost hundreds of millions of credits. I don't think some private funder can give them that kind of money.

Ingame sources please, even a hint would work.

Considering the Alliance mainly represent the ''Humanity as a whole'' it would make sense that  not only the colonies but also human companies fund the Alliance as they need it to advace further into the galaxy and help protect their assets.

I want sources to the tax revenue of the colonies,to how you know the fleet will be destroyed,how you know Earth is a money sink and useless.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Ingame sources please, even a hint would work.

Considering the Alliance mainly represent the ''Humanity as a whole'' it would make sense that  not only the colonies but also human companies fund the Alliance as they need it to advace further into the galaxy and help protect their assets.

Here's a hint:

It was funded and created by the world's wealthiest and strongest nations.

[GreenDragon37]

Fixers0 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Source,

All that is stated about the Alliance and earth in the codex is that the Alliance act as a general image of earth and that Alliance get's political support from the larger nations.

What would you think that would happen if All members of the UN suddenly need to pay for whatever.

Alliance isn't like UN, that would be Council.

But Alliance is like NATO and guess what? NATO members need to pay membership fee every year.

For example, Republic of Croatia needs to pay 3-4 million Euros.

So, what it was just a basic commarision, there still is no source that explains if earth pays taxes on earth.

 

Does there need to be a source for common sense?

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Alliance isn't like UN, that would be Council.

But Alliance is like NATO and guess what? NATO members need to pay membership fee every year.

For example, Republic of Croatia needs to pay 3-4 million Euros.

So, what it was just a basic commarision, there still is no source that explains if earth pays taxes on earth.

 

Alliance works like NATO and it makes sense for Earth nations( at least most powerful ones) to pay Alliance yearly fee.


Also where is your source that colonies pay either?



Alliance has to get money to build ship and maintain armies from somewhere.
It's just common sense and the most logical thing that Alliance gets most of share from Earth.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 juillet 2011 - 07:12 .

[Arppis]

To save humanity.

[GreenDragon37]

Arppis wrote...

To save humanity.

Yeah, some people don't get that memo.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

He hasn't provided a single source to Earth being useless,to the colonies being self sufficient enough to repopulate the galaxy with humans,how much the colonies generate in tax revenue,or how he knows what the SA is doing.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Arppis wrote...

To save humanity.

That makes too much sense to some people.

[GreenDragon37]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

He hasn't provided a single source to Earth being useless,to the colonies being self sufficient enough to repopulate the galaxy with humans,how much the colonies generate in tax revenue,or how he knows what the SA is doing.

Basically, he's a hypocrite. Am I right?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

He hasn't provided a single source to Earth being useless,to the colonies being self sufficient enough to repopulate the galaxy with humans,how much the colonies generate in tax revenue,or how he knows what the SA is doing.

Basically, he's a hypocrite. Am I right?

Us coming up with codex entries stating Earths importance isn't sufficent but an assumption he pulls out of his butt is...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Is this a trick question?

[Someone With Mass]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

He hasn't provided a single source to Earth being useless,to the colonies being self sufficient enough to repopulate the galaxy with humans,how much the colonies generate in tax revenue,or how he knows what the SA is doing.

Basically, he's a hypocrite. Am I right?

Yep. Pretty much so.

[GreenDragon37]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Is this a trick question?

I think he's trolling.

[Sundance31us]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
Basically, he's a hypocrite. Am I right?

My hypothesis is that he gets his jollies from getting a rise out of people.

[CroGamer002]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

He hasn't provided a single source to Earth being useless,to the colonies being self sufficient enough to repopulate the galaxy with humans,how much the colonies generate in tax revenue,or how he knows what the SA is doing.

Basically, he's a hypocrite. Am I right?

Us coming up with codex entries stating Earths importance isn't sufficent but an assumption he pulls out of Zulu's butt is...

fixed

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Alliance forces earth to pay taxes,

Source.

Common sense.

How the hell do you think the Alliance can afford to train all their troops, build their ships and R&D new weapons and defenses? Just the Normandy alone cost hundreds of millions of credits. I don't think some private funder can give them that kind of money.

Ingame sources please, even a hint would work.

Considering the Alliance mainly represent the ''Humanity as a whole'' it would make sense that  not only the colonies but also human companies fund the Alliance as they need it to advace further into the galaxy and help protect their assets.

The Alliance is part of Earth and the colonies not the other way around:

"Within a year of the discovery, Earth's eighteen largest nations had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a representative political body to expand and defend human territory."

"It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members."

"While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth."

"Among the Citadel races, the Alliance is considered a sovereign nation and no other species has right of oversight into Alliance affairs."

Earth funds the Alliance:

"Within a year of the discovery, Earth's eighteen largest nations had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a representative political body to expand and defend human territory. Shortly thereafter, the various nations of Earth pooled their military resources to create the Systems Alliance Military."

"The homeworld and capital of humanity is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled
colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient use of land. Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance. While every human enjoys longer and better life then ever, the gap between rich and poor widens daily."

The Alliance makes a representation of humanity for the OTHER galactic races, the government WITHIN the Alliance concerns humanity alone. The Alliance serves humanity, serves Earth. Earth needs help, the Alliance will be there helping between different actions, on the evacuation of people.

Is that difficult?

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 25 juillet 2011 - 07:17 .