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[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...

So we all agree then, Yes?

Earth is allready as good as dead, an all the Reapers do is hammering the final nail in the coffin.

...No...

The initial evacuation of Earth is a bonus which may as well save thousands of lives around the world (The Alliance should have hundrends of bases around the 193 states), while risking to lose some rescue shuttles, which are not part of the fleet in any way.

Earth is of course not as good as dead, but as weeks pass, more people will die. Should you have a chance in-game to save billions of humans by sacrificing your fleet, which is at one point very likely, you will do that,  because otherwise humanity is as good as dead. 

So, in conclusion, no, few people agree with you, and you arguments make no sense.

[Phaedon]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
Does there need to be a source for common sense? 

Actually yes, this is the source of common sense:



You'd be surprised how many people lack it.

Anyway...

Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead

Backing = Diplomatical and Economic

And there is a very specific main income of nations.

I find it a bit amusing when people claim that Alliance is a magic machine which makes money only from mining (exclusively from colonies, at that), when there is an entire sidequest about how the Alliance can barely sustain itself, concerning minerals.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:03 .

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead

Backing = Diplomatical and Economic

And there is a very specific main income of nations.

I find it a bit amusing when people claim that Alliance is a magic machine which makes money only from mining (exclusively from colonies, at that), when there is an entire sidequest about how the Alliance can barely sustain itself, concerning minerals.

Ingame Source, No fanboy crap.

[Fixers0]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Why is the alliance helping to evacuate Earth?

(snip)

I agree, you would think that the Alliance would prefert the more economical beneficial option.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
Ingame Source, No fanboy crap.

Source for what? That the Alliance requires taxes to be sustained?

No, YOU need a source to suggest that nations have entered some weird economic state where they don't collect taxes in the future.

But if you insist, here you go:

The expense of colonizing entire new solar systems could not be met by any one country

That quote from the codex is referring exactly to the time before they were colonizing new worlds, which you claim that that's where the only source of income for the Alliance is from. That obviously requires collective funding...guess from who.

The SA is a supranational organization. So, don't even bother guessing.

In fact, even if somehow that money was generated magically back then, your "facts" about colonies being the only source of income is not only unsourced, but self-contradictive from the very first game.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:23 .

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
I agree, you would think that the Alliance would prefert the more economical beneficial option.

Extinction?

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Ingame Source, No fanboy crap.

Source for what? That the Alliance requires taxes to be sustained?

Not every economy needs money, or could you please tell met were the geth got all their money from?

No, YOU need a source to suggest that nations have entered some weird economic state where they don't collect taxes in the future.

I need someting believable that isn't written by people like you.

But if you insist, here you go:

The expense of colonizing entire new solar systems could not be met by any one country

That quote from the codex is referring exactly to the time before they were colonizing new worlds, which you claim that that's where the only source of income for the Alliance is from. That obviously requires collective funding...guess from who.

I never claimed that, i said that the Colonies backs  the Alliance one way or another,

In fact, even if somehow that money was generated magically back then, your "facts" about colonies being the only source of income is not only unsourced, but self-contradictive from the very first game.

That's an outright false statement, the Alliance recieves the majortiy of it's funds from human Corporations.

And yes, it's a fact that the SA is a supranational government.

But that doesn't been the Alliance exist only because earth want's it to be.

Why i'm i repeting myself and Zulu all the time

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:33 .

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
I agree, you would think that the Alliance would prefert the more economical beneficial option.

Extinction?

Like sending you're fleet to utter destruction? then yes, but that's no economical benificial isn't it.

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Ingame Source, No fanboy crap.

Source for what? That the Alliance requires taxes to be sustained?

Not every economy needs money, or could you please tell met were the geth got all their money from?

No, YOU need a source to suggest that nations have entered some weird economic state where they don't collect taxes in the future.

I need someting believable that isn't written by people like you.

But if you insist, here you go:

The expense of colonizing entire new solar systems could not be met by any one country

That quote from the codex is referring exactly to the time before they were colonizing new worlds, which you claim that that's where the only source of income for the Alliance is from. That obviously requires collective funding...guess from who.

I never claimed that, i said that the Colonies backs  the Alliance one way or another,

In fact, even if somehow that money was generated magically back then, your "facts" about colonies being the only source of income is not only unsourced, but self-contradictive from the very first game.

That's an outright false statement, the Alliance recieves the majortiy of it's funds from human Corporations.

And yes, it's a fact that the SA is a supranational government.

But that doesn't been the Alliance exist only because earth want's it to be.

Why i'm i reaping myself and Zulu all the time

wow

[Fixers0]

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Ingame Source, No fanboy crap.

Source for what? That the Alliance requires taxes to be sustained?

Not every economy needs money, or could you please tell met were the geth got all their money from?

No, YOU need a source to suggest that nations have entered some weird economic state where they don't collect taxes in the future.

I need someting believable that isn't written by people like you.

But if you insist, here you go:

The expense of colonizing entire new solar systems could not be met by any one country

That quote from the codex is referring exactly to the time before they were colonizing new worlds, which you claim that that's where the only source of income for the Alliance is from. That obviously requires collective funding...guess from who.

I never claimed that, i said that the Colonies backs  the Alliance one way or another,

In fact, even if somehow that money was generated magically back then, your "facts" about colonies being the only source of income is not only unsourced, but self-contradictive from the very first game.

That's an outright false statement, the Alliance recieves the majortiy of it's funds from human Corporations.

And yes, it's a fact that the SA is a supranational government.

But that doesn't been the Alliance exist only because earth want's it to be.

Why i'm i reaping myself and Zulu all the time

wow

Human are flawed i know, more reason to let earth be destroyed

[An83dre]

So why waiting with destroying earth

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
Not every economy needs money, or could you please tell met were the geth got all their money from?

What the actual f*ck.

geth got all their money from?

If the geth do have money, then they generate them. And if the geth were interacting with others, that would cause inflation.

No, I mean what the hell, you are saying that economies don't need money? What?!?

No, YOU need a source to suggest that nations have entered some weird economic state where they don't collect taxes in the future.

I need someting believable that isn't written by people like you.

That's...not a reply to my request.

Prove that nations have stopped collecting taxes in the future, or your "fact" is BS.

I never claimed that, i said that the Colonies backs  the Alliance one way or another,

No. That's not what you said.

You claimed that the Alliance can survive without Earth's nations.

That's an outright false statement, the Alliance recieves the majortiy of it's funds from human Corporations.

And once again, utter BS.

Not only is there no mention in the codex about Alliance sponsored corporations, but the percentage in comparison to national funding is never stated.

But that doesn't been the Alliance exist only because earth want's it to be.

Uh, the Alliance did get created solely because of Earth.

And for all we know cutting national funding will cause bankrupcy, which is the most logical outcome based on contemporary economics.

And if the Alliance survives being abandoned by all 193 Earth states, that means losing support of 97.5% of the population, meaning that if it exists it will be a minor, non supranational organization. It will basically be a small nation of it's own.

And if the Alliance abandons Earth, even if the remainder of humanity survives past the first three generations, what makes you think that they'll trust the Alliance again? Ever heard of the League of Nations?

Why i'm i reaping myself and Zulu all the time

That explains your lack of arguments from the beginning of the thread until now. And don't speak for Zulu, he has managed to ignore most of the replies to him, and at the same time, not reply to the latest posts directed to him.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:42 .

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
Like sending you're fleet to utter destruction? then yes, but 

I think you might want to open a dictionary.

that's no economical benificial isn't it.

Hey, even if money meant more stuff than human lives, don't act as if you know what's economically beneficial.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:48 .

[didymos1120]

Fixers0 wrote...

Ingame Source [which I've already seen plenty of times but ignored because it doesn't say what I want], No fanboy crap [that disagrees with my own highly contrived and convoluted fanboy crap I cadged off Zulu].

There. For more better accuracy.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Like sending you're fleet to utter destruction? then yes, but 

I think you might want to open a dictionary.

You do, 

Even better: play mass effect 1 and see what happens when a Reaper attacks ships.

that's no economical benificial isn't it.

Hey, even if money meant more stuff than human lives, don't act as if you know what's economically beneficial.

I know that 99% of what the Alliance needs doesn't come from the solar system

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:52 .

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
You do, 

Even better play mass effect 1 and see what happens when a Reaper attacks ships

No...that's not what extinction of a species means.

That's what destruction of a fleet means. 

Crewmen =/= Entire Species

I know that 99% of what the Alliance needs doesn't come from the solar system

No, you don't know. 

You assume it. Most probably incorrectly.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:54 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...
I know that 99% of what the Alliance needs doesn't come from the solar system

Ingame sources, please. No fanboy crap.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
You do, 

Even better play mass effect 1 and see what happens when a Reaper attacks ships

No...that's not what extinction of a species means.

That's what destruction of a fleet means. 

Crewmen =/= Entire Species

I know that 99% of what the Alliance needs doesn't come from the solar system

No, you don't know. 

You assume it. Most probably incorrectly.

So were is the source that confirms that sending you're fleet into a reaper invaded planet suddenly doesn't mean decimation of it.

Think logically boy,  When the Reapers attack earth and the other homeworlds, the allien races wil of course (stupidly) rush in to defend their planets, the Alliance  just needs hold the fleet the back while they can work an Anti-Reaper weapon, Saved the C-base for TIM, you get as Bonus a more effective anti-Reaper weapon, if not well you just have to do with an improved thanix cannon.

So, the Alien fleets and Earth get decimated, you have your super weapon and you can attack the reapers, again bonus if you let the orginal Council die, and hold the fifth fleet back as Humanity  will emerge out of this battle as the  strongest race left.

Now isn't this a dream ending.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Fixers0, give up. You're not convincing ANYONE of your points. The only thing that you convinced is that either you're trolling or you're just a clueless Zulu fanboy.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[Phaedon]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
I know that 99% of what the Alliance needs doesn't come from the solar system

Ingame sources, please. No fanboy crap.

*clap* *clap*

[Fixers0]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
I know that 99% of what the Alliance needs doesn't come from the solar system

Ingame sources, please. No fanboy crap.

The codex explains that the Alliance was designed and created to operate outside the Alliance, too me it sounds logical then that there main resource income will also be from outside of the solar system.