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[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, you're making things up again. I'm talking about information regarding the Alliance from the game, books, and dev journals. 

Look who you're talking to.

Zulu is always making things up.

Indeed. To be fair though, some of his ideas are hilarious. I liked his "Wilson is Legion" theory.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

You're simply wrong. 

"The Alliance is responsible for the government and defense of all extra-solar human colonies, and represents humanity on the galactic stage. It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members.

The Alliance government is headed by a Prime Minister; as of 2185 this position was occupied by Amul Shastri. It is unknown whether the Prime Minister is an elected member of Parliament, or is appointed to the position. While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth."

What is there to see,  it has it's own goverment and it's responsible form all extra-solar Human activities, 


And an extra question
And since when does the Alliance controls all the media of various earth's nations.

 And Earth. It's all self-explanatory. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling now. Either that or you're just incredibly dumb.

Agreed. I'm starting to think he's just arguing a dumb topic to troll.

[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

You're simply wrong. 

"The Alliance is responsible for the government and defense of all extra-solar human colonies, and represents humanity on the galactic stage. It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members.

The Alliance government is headed by a Prime Minister; as of 2185 this position was occupied by Amul Shastri. It is unknown whether the Prime Minister is an elected member of Parliament, or is appointed to the position. While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth."

What is there to see,  it has it's own goverment and it's responsible form all extra-solar Human activities, 


And an extra question
And since when does the Alliance controls all the media of various earth's nations.

 And Earth. It's all self-explanatory. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling now. Either that or you're just incredibly dumb.

It's says nothing about expect for that it was once founded by them, and that they get some political support,

Look at it for a political standpoint, what point is there to gain by pointlessly defending earth for a day or two? 

[Dave of Canada]

The Alliance was created for off-world activities, they aren't part of anything on Earth except for Earth supplying them to protect their colonies and interests in the galaxy. Ignoring the player's ties to Earth, Earth isn't anything special considering we've colonized a lot of planets and most members of the Alliance tend to be Spacers / Colonists as the Alliance ties directly to them.

Arcturus Station, the "capital" of the Alliance navy and is the parliament and headquarters, is where the trial should've been hosted (rather than on Earth which doesn't make sense with the Alliance story). The Alliance should possibly care about Earth's destruction, though having them all being there and having the trial being on Earth just doesn't make any sense with what we've been presented.

It's a way to introduce players to Earth's destruction and feel worse than to hear about it (because players have to actually see something rather than hear about it to have it impact them).

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

It's says nothing about expect for that it was once founded by them, and that they get some political support,

Look at it for a political standpoint, what point is there to gain by pointlessly defending earth for a day or two? 

It says repeatedly that nations of Earth are members of the Systems Alliance. Read your codex. 

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

About as long as it takes for you to start bitching about metagaming all the time.

And you're the one who calls me butthurt?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:23 .

[slimgrin]

You're thinking harder than the writers have, op.

[Someone With Mass]

Khran1505 wrote...

Let's see. Earth, our homeworld, is under attack by vicious ancient machines out to kill us all and we have the only means of saving our fellow race.

Why WOULDN'T the Alliance help evacuate Earth? It's our freaking homeworld? Politics be damned, jeez!

Not to mention that the Alliance would lose a significant amount of potential recruits and manpower if Earth falls.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

slimgrin wrote...

You're thinking harder than the writers have, op.

This.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
And you're the one who calls me butthurt?

Well, you're the one who constantly jumps the chance to whine about Paragons.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

It's says nothing about expect for that it was once founded by them, and that they get some political support,

Look at it for a political standpoint, what point is there to gain by pointlessly defending earth for a day or two? 

Political standpoint?

Okay, I don't think any politician would be allowed to negotiate with third parties again if they didn't even attempt to defend their own homeworld.

Their career would pretty much be over if they made that decision.

[Zulu_DFA]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, you're making things up again. I'm talking about information regarding the Alliance from the game, books, and dev journals.

While I can concede that the infromation from the games and books is insufficient to definitively decide one way or another, and provides support for both versions (actually the support for Earth's representation in  the Alliance - as opposed to "by the Alliance" - comes mainly from the CDN, but not the games or books), a dev journal by Chris L'Etoile who wrote the entire Codex for ME1 states unambigously - now bear with me - that after the Fist Contact War the Alliance gained full political independence from Earth.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:32 .

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, you're the one who constantly jumps the chance to whine about Paragons.

Trying to pick a fight and calling somebody butthurt is hypocritical, I didn't mention anything about Renegade/Paragon.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:31 .

[Trakarg]

Why the hell would the Alliance let Earth burn, people? OF COURSE the Alliance is helping Earth.

[marshalleck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 a dev journal by Chris L'Etoile who wrote the entire Codex for ME1 states unambigously - now bear with me - that after the Fist Contact War the Alliance gaine full political independence from Earth.

That simply means nations of Earth retain their sovereignty back on Earth, as stated in the codex. The SA has no say in political matters on Earth. That does not mean that Earth's member nations in the SA, or any members of the SA are going to be completely disiniterested in Earth coming under attack.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:35 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Even if the Alliance isn't backed by earth AT ALL.

THe Alliances goal is to further the interests of Humanity on the galactic scale correct?

Now, bear with me.


The earth is home to 11 BILLION humans.
The Colonies maybe home to a few hundred million.

Why WOULDNT the alliance protect the BULK of humanity from space-borne invanders? It would stand to reason they have the most ships and space borne fire power, why WOULDNT they chip in to protect the majority of the species? If they'd sacrifice 8 cruisers to save 3 council members why wouldnt they at least ATTEMPT to save 11 billion humans?

[SGON7]

You guys getting trolled so easily lol. Even if the alliance was completly independant from earth, which it is not since they need earth for political, troops and ressources reasons. What kind of business plans would make you let die 90% of the human population in the galaxy The same human that form the alliance troops, considering how massive earth population is compared to most alien planet and our own colonies. We can easily conclude most Alliance soldier come from earth as well...... so why wouldnt they help earth?. Everyone with half a brain would see that one coming, which is why this is a massive troll thread.

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Modifié par SGON7, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:38 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Trying to pick a fight and calling somebody butthurt is hypocritical, I didn't mention anything about Renegade/Paragon.

Okay, let me put it like this: I. ****ing. Hate. You. And everything that comes out of your mouth.

Whew, weight of my mind.

[Zulu_DFA]

Trakarg wrote...

Why the hell would the Alliance let Earth burn, people?

It's called "profit".

Trakarg wrote...



OF COURSE the Alliance is helping Earth.

Are you sure?

I mean, Kasumi secret, anyone?

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Trying to pick a fight and calling somebody butthurt is hypocritical, I didn't mention anything about Renegade/Paragon.

Okay, let me put it like this: I. ****ing. Hate. You. And everything that comes out of your mouth.

Whew, weight of my mind.

Wow, calm down.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Okay, let me put it like this: I. ****ing. Hate. You. And everything that comes out of your mouth.

Whew, weight of my mind.

It was pretty obvious.

Now calm down in the corner.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:39 .

[nhsk]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Why WOULDNT the alliance protect the BULK of humanity from space-borne invanders? It would stand to reason they have the most ships and space borne fire power, why WOULDNT they chip in to protect the majority of the species? If they'd sacrifice 8 cruisers to save 3 council members why wouldnt they at least ATTEMPT to save 11 billion humans?

+ 10.000 amazingly hot blue space babes... who wouldn't want to defend those pieces of azure?

Modifié par nhsk, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:39 .

[nhsk]

Systems Alliance is basically just "X-Com"

[SGON7]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's called "profit".

Thats the point, they wouldnt make any profit out of it. Most of their forces come from earth. The main of the soldiers come from that planet since its still over 90% of the human population. Without them the future of the alliance force is impossible. Without earth human contiunity on a large scale for thousands of years is next to impossible because we would lack numbers.