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[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
My point still remains 

No.

that i question some of the design choices made in these trailer and if they will differnt in main game, but only after the game is released i can check to see which anwser is right, and even then we might debat pages over because no specific proof is given.

Only the clothing should be changed, everything else makes perfect sense. And that was definitely not your original point which has been proved wrong since the first pages.

These discussion always tend to end up,'' i'm right because of blabla'' and ''no my point is right because of blalbla''.

Debates end with arguments? I didn't notice, thanks.

So i still have my doubts and i will see if they are true or false once the game is out.

Over what ?

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
My point still remains 

No.

that i question some of the design choices made in these trailer and if they will differnt in main game, but only after the game is released i can check to see which anwser is right, and even then we might debat pages over because no specific proof is given.

Only the clothing should be changed, everything else makes perfect sense. And that was definitely not your original point which has been proved wrong since the first pages.

These discussion always tend to end up,'' i'm right because of blabla'' and ''no my point is right because of blalbla''.

Debates end with arguments? I didn't notice, thanks.

So i still have my doubts and i will see if they are true or false once the game is out.

Over what ?

Really, Can you just be nice once in a while, i know you are paid to be a fanboy but come on guy!

So my point of course doesn't stand because i'm to retated to get it, even though it's seems perfecutly reasonable to ask were the boundries between the Alliance and earth go, considering that nothing seems to indicate that there is one.

And when there is an unclear subject suddenly  it is ''Did you played the game'', Yeah i can ask the same, were did you get the info that the Alliance shuttles were allready on earth, they could have just all landed five minutes ago, none of us  played te game.

So, your are allowed to know everything about the game, but i'm not even allowed to ask question or have doubt about the design choices that were made.

My point shall and will remain, ''Is there still a clear seperation between earth and the Alliance''? anwser when the game is released or when Bioware alowes it's most devoted Fanboy's to play the game,

And i didn't even use the work 'arguments' in my previous post, Don't start to misinterpreted  my Not-so complex post mister know it all. 

 

[Fixers0]

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

Harbinger talking directly to the players.

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:38 .

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
Really, Can you just be nice once in a while, i know you are paid to be a fanboy but come on guy!

Hypocrisy aside, no, I won't give you arguments that you don't deserve.

So my point of course doesn't stand because i'm to retated to get it, even though it's seems perfecutly reasonable to ask were the boundries between the Alliance and earth go, considering that nothing seems to indicate that there is one.

The Alliance is a supranational organization that represents all nations from Earth. It obviously has bases there, even if that was your point, which it definitely wasn't.

And when there is an unclear subject suddenly  it is ''Did you played the game'', Yeah i can ask the same, were did you get the info that the Alliance shuttles were allready on earth, they could have just all landed five minutes ago, none of us  played te game.

As I said for a couple of times, no matter if they were there 5 hours ago or 5 minutes ago, it doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense for them to want to save humans.

So, your are allowed to know everything about the game, but i'm not even allowed to ask question or have doubt about the design choices that were made.

No, you have no right to doubt something which you haven't seen.

My point shall and will remain

Your point died in the first two pages.

, ''Is there still a clear seperation between earth and the Alliance''? anwser when the game is released or when Bioware alowes it's most devoted Fanboy's to play the game,

Not only was that not your point, not only that has nothing to do with fanboys, your fake sense of entitlement over things, but we know what the Alliance is.

If the Alliance has business on Earth (administrative or docking),then they will have bases there. Why? Because they can. 

And i didn't even use the work 'arguments' in my previous post, Don't start to misinterpreted  my Not-so complex post mister know it all. \\

A post with a justification is an argument.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:56 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...
Harbinger talking directly to the players.

Nope. He was speaking to Shepard, not the player.

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

Harbinger talking directly to the players.

What. Harbinger talks to SHEPARD throughout the game. And at the end he is talking to the collector general. Are you suggesting that any scenes not from shepards perspective is breaking the fourth wall? So when Saren kills Nihlus the fourth wall was broken? Or was it the fact that when Harbinger said 'we will find another way' that apparently broke the fourth wall? Because that did not break the fourth wall, it was a use of storytelling narrative present in most games, films and books, eg) somehting about the plot whhich the protaganist does not have first hand knowledge of.

[Meatlocker]

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

You don't remember that happening you must have got a defective disk. 

[Dexi]

Lol people using fancy words in stupid ways just makes me laugh...

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Openly adovocating a Limitiation of Freedom speech.

So i'm not allowed to doubt about certain design choices made the company we shall not name,  Well then Really you can just GTFO, Because hasn't been released, oh my holy, is this for real.! 

Besides how would you describe the Terra firma party, that doesn't represent a nation, yet it could still gain  seats in the Alliance parliament, Have fun.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

Harbinger talking directly to the players.

What. Harbinger talks to SHEPARD throughout the game. And at the end he is talking to the collector general. Are you suggesting that any scenes not from shepards perspective is breaking the fourth wall? So when Saren kills Nihlus the fourth wall was broken? Or was it the fact that when Harbinger said 'we will find another way' that apparently broke the fourth wall? Because that did not break the fourth wall, it was a use of storytelling narrative present in most games, films and books, eg) somehting about the plot whhich the protaganist does not have first hand knowledge of.

Oh man, didn't you realize that when Harbinger was saying: "Human, you've changed nothing!", it was saying to YOU?
Unless you're, a super smart dog or something

[Fixers0]

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

Harbinger talking directly to the players.

What. Harbinger talks to SHEPARD throughout the game. And at the end he is talking to the collector general. Are you suggesting that any scenes not from shepards perspective is breaking the fourth wall? So when Saren kills Nihlus the fourth wall was broken? Or was it the fact that when Harbinger said 'we will find another way' that apparently broke the fourth wall? Because that did not break the fourth wall, it was a use of storytelling narrative present in most games, films and books, eg) somehting about the plot whhich the protaganist does not have first hand knowledge of.

The Collectors are mindless drones as we are often remindend by the fanboys if we discuss how poor they were developed, what the point for harbinger talking to english to someone anyway when he just controls his mind and all his actions.

[Fixers0]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

Harbinger talking directly to the players.

What. Harbinger talks to SHEPARD throughout the game. And at the end he is talking to the collector general. Are you suggesting that any scenes not from shepards perspective is breaking the fourth wall? So when Saren kills Nihlus the fourth wall was broken? Or was it the fact that when Harbinger said 'we will find another way' that apparently broke the fourth wall? Because that did not break the fourth wall, it was a use of storytelling narrative present in most games, films and books, eg) somehting about the plot whhich the protaganist does not have first hand knowledge of.

Oh man, didn't you realize that when Harbinger was saying: "Human, you've changed nothing!", it was saying to YOU?
Unless you're, a super smart dog or something

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Openly adovocating a Limitiation of Freedom speech.

Besides how would you describe the Terra firma party, that doesn't represent a nation, yet it could still gain  seats in the Alliance parliament, Have fun.

If you had any idea how important the freedom of speech that you had was, you wouldn't be trolling about it. 

So i'm not allowed to doubt about certain design choices made the company we shall not name,  Well then Really you can just GTFO, Because hasn't been released, oh my holy, is this for real.!

Your so called "doubts" which you don't express because you did so in the past and you were proven wrong, are already answered.

Besides how would you describe the Terra firma party, that doesn't represent a nation, yet it could still gain  seats in the Alliance parliament, Have fun.

Uh, what. 

The Alliance is a parliament and a supranational organization. Nations don't take administrative seats on the UN last time I checked, idividuals do.

You use an argument which you don't really understand. As stated in the Codex, the Alliance is an organization made up to represent humanity and it's nations as a whole, and is charged to protect human colonies and human interests to the council.

How the adminsitrative staff in it are elected, doesn't matter at all.

The Systems Alliance is NOT: A) A corporation, A nation (claim so and you have no idea what nation means and what it entails), C) A mercenary band.

The Systems Alliance is: A) A supranational organization, With independent political structure than any nation (like all supranational organizations), C) Represents all of humanity

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Fixers0 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...



Or it could mean Bioware's being lazy again, like breaking the fourh wall at the end of Mass Effect 2 when they tried to expain the plot to us.

Do you even know what the fourth wall is? How the hell did the end of me2 break the fourth wall? What, the illusive man started talking about paragon and renegade decisions did he? Or did he say 'Shepard! no not you, I mean the person playing as you'

Harbinger talking directly to the players.

What. Harbinger talks to SHEPARD throughout the game. And at the end he is talking to the collector general. Are you suggesting that any scenes not from shepards perspective is breaking the fourth wall? So when Saren kills Nihlus the fourth wall was broken? Or was it the fact that when Harbinger said 'we will find another way' that apparently broke the fourth wall? Because that did not break the fourth wall, it was a use of storytelling narrative present in most games, films and books, eg) somehting about the plot whhich the protaganist does not have first hand knowledge of.

Oh man, didn't you realize that when Harbinger was saying: "Human, you've changed nothing!", it was saying to YOU?
Unless you're, a super smart dog or something

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

The player, of course. LOL

[sponge56]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...


Oh man, didn't you realize that when Harbinger was saying: "Human, you've changed nothing!", it was saying to YOU?
Unless you're, a super smart dog or something

Are you talking to fixer or to me?

[RyuGuitarFreak]

sponge56 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...


Oh man, didn't you realize that when Harbinger was saying: "Human, you've changed nothing!", it was saying to YOU?
Unless you're, a super smart dog or something

Are you talking to fixer or to me?

To you, and I was just making fun of the discussion, don't mind me.

[Phaedon]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
The player, of course. LOL

The "playah" is an actual NPC, who was known as Conrad Verner in the previous game.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lol I love how fixers uses sources he has already dismissed as "Fanboy crap"

[sponge56]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...


Oh man, didn't you realize that when Harbinger was saying: "Human, you've changed nothing!", it was saying to YOU?
Unless you're, a super smart dog or something

Are you talking to fixer or to me?

To you, and I was just making fun of the discussion, don't mind me.

Dont worry, but it annoys me when people like fixer use words such as fourth wall incorectly

[celuloid]

Fixers0 wrote...

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

But that is not breaking fourth wall, he just talked to his subordinate. It does not make much sense, but so does not rest of the core plot.

Modifié par celuloid, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:22 .

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Nothingofinterest

You i'm just going let you live in all your pretty fanatsies, if believe the Alliance had military presecense on earth, en though you have no proof that excludes otherwise  then be my guest.

My doubt's are that bioware's doesn't care about lore and consistency an likes vague assumptions so that people like you could use them to your advantage.

[Fixers0]

celuloid wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

But that is not breaking fourth wall, he just talked to his subordinate. It does not make much sense, but so does not rest of the core plot.

Someone please explain the logic of speaking to a person who's mind and action you control. 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

celuloid wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

But that is not breaking fourth wall, he just talked to his subordinate. It does not make much sense, but so does not rest of the core plot.

well harby when he ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLs you hear him talk to you,its not like the collectors have mouths it's kind of like a loud speaker,I think its hypnotic.

[Fixers0]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

celuloid wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

But that is not breaking fourth wall, he just talked to his subordinate. It does not make much sense, but so does not rest of the core plot.

well harby when he ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLs you hear him talk to you,its not like the collectors have mouths it's kind of like a loud speaker,I think its hypnotic.

It's plothole.