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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Nothingofinterest

You i'm just going let you live in all your pretty fanatsies, if believe the Alliance had military presecense on earth, en though you have no proof that excludes otherwise  then be my guest.

My doubt's are that bioware's doesn't care about lore and consistency an likes vague assumptions so that people like you could use them to your advantage.

Then send a nerdrage email to them,or simply stop playing/buying BW games,or...or......deal with it.

[celuloid]

OMG, you just bomb things like plothole and fourth wall, but do not seem to understand either of them.

Modifié par celuloid, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:29 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

celuloid wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

But that is not breaking fourth wall, he just talked to his subordinate. It does not make much sense, but so does not rest of the core plot.

well harby when he ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLs you hear him talk to you,its not like the collectors have mouths it's kind of like a loud speaker,I think its hypnotic.

It's plothole.

Well object rho talks to you,reapers probably have the ability to broadcast,its not exactly like sovvy had a mouth.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Nothingofinterest

You i'm just going let you live in all your pretty fanatsies, if believe the Alliance had military presecense on earth, en though you have no proof that excludes otherwise  then be my guest.

My doubt's are that bioware's doesn't care about lore and consistency an likes vague assumptions so that people like you could use them to your advantage.

Then send a nerdrage email to them,or simply stop playing/buying BW games,or...or......deal with it.

Or team up with Zulu and smudboy and fix ME3 before it even happened. Now that would be something...

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Nothingofinterest

You i'm just going let you live in all your pretty fanatsies, if believe the Alliance had military presecense on earth, en though you have no proof that excludes otherwise  then be my guest.

My doubt's are that bioware's doesn't care about lore and consistency an likes vague assumptions so that people like you could use them to your advantage.

Bioware is delibrately doing lore incosistency's for Phaedon's advantage?!

sounds like a preety fantastic conspiracy theory:happy:

[Fixers0]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

celuloid wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The line ''You have failed, we will find another way'' was said while the normandy allready departed the station and while Harbinger was still in command of the Collector general, So to who was he talking?

But that is not breaking fourth wall, he just talked to his subordinate. It does not make much sense, but so does not rest of the core plot.

well harby when he ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLs you hear him talk to you,its not like the collectors have mouths it's kind of like a loud speaker,I think its hypnotic.

It's plothole.

Well object rho talks to you,reapers probably have the ability to broadcast,its not exactly like sovvy had a mouth.

That wasn't my point, it was that bioware is good at storytelling that they needed to have the explain the plot after it is resolved in a scene that makes even less sense the the entire plot.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

celuloid wrote...

OMG, you just bomb things like plothole and fourth wall, but you do not seem to understand either of them.

At this point he has no idea what side he's on or what he's fighting for he just seems to want to keep swinging.He has changed his points,demanded sources and discredited every source as "fanboy crap" or stupid but he then turns around and uses the same source to argue his points.He has lost this fight multiple time but keeps insisting that he is the only truth and that his lord and messiah zulu will show us the light in the second coming of zulu.

[celuloid]

The said plothole at the end, when Harbinger talks to Shepard: "Human, you changed nothing.", is simply announced through loud speakers in Collector base. (for a lack of better explanation)

Modifié par celuloid, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[Fixers0]

celuloid wrote...

The said plothole at the end, when Harbinger talks to Shepard: "Human, you changed nothing.", is just announced through loud speakers in Collector base. (for a lack of better explanation)

Yeah The probably have whole propaganda system throughout the entire station to keep everyone motivated,

But i was specifly talking about the line

''You have failed , we will find another way''

At this point Shepard and co allready left on the Normandy and Harbinger was still in control of the Collector general, 
So, again to who was he talking?

[Fixers0]

Nyoka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

the codex explains that the Alliance was created for the protection of all extra-solar colonies and station

lol, and? I'll quote this again:
"Earth's eighteen largest nations had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a representative political body to expand and defend human territory."

Unless you think Earth isn't a human territory (which is absurd), what you say directly contradicts one of the main goals of the Alliance.

Of course the Alliance is responsible of the defense of the colonies. Who else could do that? But that's a different topic. Being in charge of the defense of the colonies doesn't imply it has nothing to do with Earth. They aren't mutually exclusive. This is really very easy: the Alliance was created to defend and expand human territory. So the Alliance has a lot to do with Earth, since Earth is by far the most important human territory. Furthermore, the Alliance is responsible for the defense of the colonies. To think the Alliance is going to defend all human planets except the Earth is just silly.

Source?

Alliance is there to represent earth, true but  each nation got it's own  army to protect them from attack, and i'm pretty sure there would be some AAA towers and an emergency strike force on earth in case of surprise attack,

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

celuloid wrote...

The said plothole at the end, when Harbinger talks to Shepard: "Human, you changed nothing.", is just announced through loud speakers in Collector base. (for a lack of better explanation)

Yeah The probably have whole propaganda system throughout the entire station to keep everyone motivated,

But i was specifly talking about the line

''You have failed , we will find another way''

At this point Shepard and co allready left on the Normandy and Harbinger was still in control of the Collector general, 
So, again to who was he talking?

Is it so absurd that it was done for...bum bum bum dramatic effect,god forbid that stuff was all already said to shepard when he ran out of the base...I'm sure it didn't take 20 seconds to run past squads of collectors and escape the CB.It isn't a plothole it is you overanalzying presentation.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Nyoka wrote...

The source of my quote is the ME wiki, as I said in my first post here. Or maybe you're asking a source that says the earth is a human territory?

It would be pretty funny if in the codex they update the part on the SA to say and they defend Earth...this isn't retcon we just didn't think we had to clarify to a fanatical troll.

[Fixers0]

Nyoka wrote...

The source of my quote is the ME wiki, as I said in my first post here. Or maybe you're asking a source that says the earth is a human territory?

I'm only taking quotes straight from the Codex or ingame, however codex goes above everything.

[celuloid]

Fixers0 wrote...

celuloid wrote...

The said plothole at the end, when Harbinger talks to Shepard: "Human, you changed nothing.", is just announced through loud speakers in Collector base. (for a lack of better explanation)

Yeah The probably have whole propaganda system throughout the entire station to keep everyone motivated,

But i was specifly talking about the line

''You have failed , we will find another way''

At this point Shepard and co allready left on the Normandy and Harbinger was still in control of the Collector general, 
So, again to who was he talking?

He was talking to himself.
So what? Cannot Harbinger be mentally disturbed? He is genocidal robot who annihilates entire species.

The need for these explanations speaks volumes about quality of the core plot, but that's the way it is.

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

The source of my quote is the ME wiki, as I said in my first post here. Or maybe you're asking a source that says the earth is a human territory?

I'm only taking quotes straight from the Codex or ingame, however codex goes above everything.

YOU HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CODEX ENTRIES WHICH CONTRADICT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, QUOTED AT YOU OVER THIS WHOLE THREAD. therefore by your own omission you are a hypocritical troll

[nhsk]

Amazing, people still feed it...

[Images]

Okay firstly, THE FOURTH WALL WAS NOT BROKEN. Characters talking directly to camera and acknowledging the audience and/or their existence in a work of pure fiction is breaking the fourth wall.

http://filmbabble.bl...meta-movie.html

Simply acknowledging tropes of the genre or playing on audience expectations and knowledge of the franchise is NOT breaking the 4th wall. It is simply the self referential aspect of post-modernism. The meta factor.

Like this
And this

What TiM does is not that, it is simply exposition. Which is often mocked in 4th wall and self-referencing scenes but is neither on its own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjRsuSss5_k

Harbinger DEFINITELY does not break the 4th wall. His words are aimed at Shepard, he says so. Ah! You might say, how could Shepard hear him? Well even if the words are aimed at him they don't need to be heard by Shepard. Its a dramatic device. Villains do it often and its called soliloquy, the voicing of personal thoughts to no one in particular. Is it odd? Sure but its needed in film and theatre to know how characters feel. Like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYPsoxpt0BU



On the subject of the thread in general its just plain silly. The Alliance is basically a United Nations of Earth that actually works. Like the United Nations, officials are elected and it has its own troop force. UNLIKE the U.N, these forces are not supplied by separate countries but are recruited for the specifically for that purpose. Earth is a member state for instance and probably a very symbolic one. The colonies in the Terminus systems do not recognise the Alliance body as representing them and therefore are not officially under their safekeeping. EARTH IS.

/thread

Modifié par Images, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:51 .

[KingNothing125]

This thread is still going?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

celuloid wrote...

OMG, you just bomb things like plothole and fourth wall, but you do not seem to understand either of them.

At this point he has no idea what side he's on or what he's fighting for he just seems to want to keep swinging.He has changed his points,demanded sources and discredited every source as "fanboy crap" or stupid but he then turns around and uses the same source to argue his points.He has lost this fight multiple time but keeps insisting that he is the only truth and that his lord and messiah zulu will show us the light in the second coming of zulu.

You forget. He needs a dictionary to learn what some words mean before he starts using them.


The fail is strong in this one!
I think this image sums fixers0 rather nicely:

www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0803/end-of-failure-demotivational-poster-1206004448.jpg

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Fixers0 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

The source of my quote is the ME wiki, as I said in my first post here. Or maybe you're asking a source that says the earth is a human territory?

I'm only taking quotes straight from the Codex or ingame, however codex goes above everything.

The majority of the content from the wiki is transcripted directly from the games/novels/comics or any official material, genius.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
You i'm just going let you live in all your pretty fanatsies, if believe the Alliance had military presecense on earth, en though you have no proof that excludes otherwise  then be my guest.

But, I have proof. The Alliance started on Earth. Not on Arcturus. They must have bases there. They also have a fleet protecting Earth. How does that one get supplied?  And is the administrative staff stationed? In short, why should it not have a presence on Earth, when it started on Earth. Which part of the lore says that they shouldn't? They are the entire humanity's space force. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course they have space ports. And they probably have men on some sort of AA stations.

My doubt's are that bioware's doesn't care about lore and consistency an likes vague assumptions so that people like you could use them to your advantage.

*facepalm*

And you claim that you don't need the final product to deduce if the Alliance has bases on Earth or not.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:04 .

[nhsk]

Why are you all still arguing with the troll? It is not like you can actually convince a troll to your side...