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[Bnol]

The OP is either a genius troll or just lacks all common sense. I guess I will bite.

Whether it is because of the political ties of Earth's nations belonging to the Alliance, social ties of Earth being the human homeworld and possessing the vast majority of the human population, or the economic ties of the great corporations and industrial infrastructure that produce most of the Alliance funding/production being based on Earth, it is in the Alliance's best interest to help Earth.

[SynheKatze]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I mean, Kasumi secret, anyone?

How does a picture of a Reaper tie with the Alliance leaving billions to their death? It's sorta weird.

[Someone With Mass]

It's about as nonsensical as blowing up the Charon relay.

[Ajosraa]

Yes, nations on earth are still independent BUT are all underneath the overreaching authority of the Systems Alliance, because its a SUPRAnational organization. It superseeds all others. So I guess it can be argued that under them are not truely independant, but are each soverign within their own territory ( to a degree).

Basicly nations are like states in the USA in the future setting of ME, functionally.

Here is a wiki link the the concept of Supranationalization: http://en.wikipedia....upranationalism

This is explaned a bit in the codex as well in the alliance section.

PS. Also, its Charter (the Systems Alliance) was written by the G18, group of 18 most industrilized nations of Earth. What is the fate of the UN? Perhaps it still exists but is just on Earth. IT seems the Systems Alliance took most of the roll the UN would otherwise take up.  So it makes sence to me that they would be involved with coordinating evacuations.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:53 .

[Longsword-83]

Well, seeing as Cerberus is kinda busy at the moment and the other Citadel races are probably under attack as well, plus the fact that the Batarians hate us, the Vorcha are pretty stupid, and the Krogan have their own problems, it only makes sense that the Alliance helps out.

Y'know, that and the fact that it's based on Earth. Just saying.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...

So In the demo and trailers we can see Alliance shuttles evacuate civilians and marines combating  the Reapers.

But why?

There is ample background material in both games and other works that there is a clear seperation between, earth (Who is still a planet controlled by many nations) and the Alliance (an indepedant goverment that protects human interests outside of the sol system).

Basicly the Alliance has nothing to do with Earth security and goverment and each state on earth organises it's own defense against attacks, Maybe there is an unified 'Earth defense force'' with Spaceships and Orbital stations but it's certainly not the Alliance.

But the 'invasion' trailer clearly shows the Alliance sysmbols on news reports from different nations, even though they should be independant entities.

What?

The Systems Alliance has plenty to do with Earth security and ESPECIALLY USNA.

Hell, that would make sense with the UN and EU, let alone the Systems Alliance.

It's common sense.

Modifié par Phaedon, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:48 .

[marshalleck]

Ajosraa wrote...

Yes, nations on earth are still independent BUT are all underneath the overreaching authority of the Systems Alliance, because its a SUPRAnational organization. It superseeds all others. So I guess it can be argued that under them are not truely independant, but are each soverign within their own territory ( to a degree).

Basicly nations are like states in the USA in the future setting of ME, functionally.

Here is a wiki link the the concept of Supranationalization: http://en.wikipedia....upranationalism

This is explaned a bit in the codex as well in the alliance section.

To put it in a nutshell: Earth governments retain their authority on Earth. Systems Alliance governs everything humans do beyond the bounds of Earth, including any efforts made by national governments back on Earth since those national governments are members of the Systems Alliance. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:51 .

[The dead fish]

The Alliance was born from the union of the 18 largest nations on earth. Just sayin'

That alone should make you think a little...

[Phaedon]

marshalleck wrote...
To put it in a nutshell: Earth governments retain their authority on Earth. Systems Alliance governs everything humans do beyond the bounds of Earth. 

And they tend to have some bases on Earth, you know.


With logo'ed vehicles.


That you know, civillians go to.


And you know, they tend to still have martial courts for their soldiers.

Modifié par Phaedon, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:52 .

[Phaedon]

Never mind, plothole or retcon sounds cooler.

[marshalleck]

It's almost as though people expect human's sense of national identity to vanish in the ~28 years humanity has been aware of a greater galactic civilization beyond the bounds of our corner of the Milky Way.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:54 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The earth is home to 11 BILLION humans.
The Colonies maybe home to a few hundred million.

If we discount the plotholes in some ME2's planet descriptions, the figure of ~30 million in the colonies would be more accurate.

But the population of the Geth "realm" is 0 (zero). Strangely, it is quite formidable.

Cainne Chapel wrote...



Why WOULDNT the alliance protect the BULK of humanity from space-borne invanders? It would stand to reason they have the most ships and space borne fire power, why WOULDNT they chip in to protect the majority of the species?

Because they can't. It's the Reapers we're talking about. Sacrificing fleets in a banzai attack will solve nothing.

Cainne Chapel wrote...



If they'd sacrifice 8 cruisers to save 3 council members why wouldnt they at least ATTEMPT to save 11 billion humans?

First of all, let me remind you that the deafault Sheploo is apparently more practical about advising to sacrifice the Alliance fleet. Namely, he doesn't do that.

And secondly, in your rainbow bunny paragon universe, the Alliance is weakened due saving the Council. By extrapolation, you can conjectrure that sacrificing more ships in pursuing more idealistic goals will result in more weakness for the Alliance.

In the situation in question - the massive Reaper invasion of Earth - if the Alliance attempts to evacuate as many people off Earth as possible, the Alliance will be destroyed.

[nhsk]

It is just an expanded version of the current international work with the ISS, taken 50 steps and 200 years ahead in time.

Edit: made 2000, 200 instead.

Modifié par nhsk, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:56 .

[Ajosraa]

Sylvianus wrote...

The Alliance was born from the union of the 18 largest nations on earth. Just sayin'

That alone should make you think a little...

Wich is the nowadays G20, minus Mexico and Canada, because they were absorbed into the United North American States.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:55 .

[Phaedon]

marshalleck wrote...

It's almost as though people expect human's sense of national identity to vanish in the ~28 years humanity has been aware of a greater galactic civilization.

Collective empathy.

Drew actually goes ahead and describes the exact mechanism of what and why humans united once they found Prothean ruins.

[comrade8472]

They have the most ships?...

[Mister Mida]

I don't see how this question still needs to be answered. The Alliance is humanity's and Earth's face to the galaxy. How insanely stupid would it look if the Alliance wouldn't help out Earth with evacuating?

[marshalleck]

Ajosraa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The Alliance was born from the union of the 18 largest nations on earth. Just sayin'

That alone should make you think a little...

Wich is the nowadays G20, minus Mexico and Canada, because they were absorbed into the United North American States.

Wait, the US absorbed Canada? Hah, owned. 

[Phaedon]

comrade8472 wrote...

They have the most ships?...

It's very debatable as to whether any of the nations under the Alliance have any spaceships.

[Dave of Canada]

Phaedon wrote...

And you know, they tend to still have martial courts for their soldiers.

Which should've been hosted at Arcturus Station.

[nhsk]

marshalleck wrote...

Wait, the US absorbed Canada? Hah, owned. 

And was ravaged by a second civil war, so don't get your arms all the way up

Modifié par nhsk, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:58 .

[marshalleck]

 lol!  fair enough. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:59 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Bnol wrote...

The OP is either a genius troll or just lacks all common sense. I guess I will bite.

Whether it is because of the political ties of Earth's nations belonging to the Alliance, social ties of Earth being the human homeworld and possessing the vast majority of the human population, or the economic ties of the great corporations and industrial infrastructure that produce most of the Alliance funding/production being based on Earth, it is in the Alliance's best interest to help Earth.

Wrong.

Industrial infrastructure that produce most of the Alliance funding/production is based in the colonies.

The Alliance fleets are constructed at the Arcturus Station. The there is no Eezo in the Solar system. Most factories and mining stations are completely automated. It's the future. Wake up.

[Phaedon]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Which should've been hosted at Arcturus Station.

Should?

Why?

The Alliance has facilities both off and on-world. Why would they hold the court martial at their HQ?

[marshalleck]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

And you know, they tend to still have martial courts for their soldiers.

Which should've been hosted at Arcturus Station.

Probably, but that wouldn't work with the "escape from Earth" scenario they wanted to use. Unless it's made clear that Shepard's actually being tossed into a kangaroo court, in which case the trial taking place on Earth is suitably explained.