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[GreenDragon37]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
That's exactly why the Alliance should not fight. It should disengage and retreat to conserve its force, both in expensive ships and trained servicemen.

Until when? The Reapers are aiming specifically at them? At no point the fleet will reach a point to defeat the Reapers by themselves.

GreenDragon37 wrote...
And if you fight, you'll be slaughtered.

Wrong, if you don't fight you'll be slaughtered.

More survivors means more next generation crewmen and more resource producers.

GreenDragon37 wrote...
It will work in the sense that the Alliance forces will be conserved to fight another day as opposed to be pointlessely expended in a glorious banzai charge.

If they can't fight in one day, then they won't be able to fight in the next one.

Um, that's not me you're quoting.

[Phaedon]

Yup, I think that's obvious.

[Zulu_DFA]

iakus wrote...

And how do we know these shuttles aren't simply pulling a "smash and grab" scooping up as many civilians as they can before fleeing back to their fleet and bugging out?

What the OP says is that most of those shuttles should not carry the Alliance insignia. Hell, some of them should carry Cerberus logos, which, as we all know, are actually the Cord-Hislop Aerospace logos, which has used to have offices on Earth.

iakus wrote...



For that matter, Fifth Fleet, at least is probably already trashed at this point, as Arcturus Station guards the relay to Earth. And if the Reaper fleet has reached Earth...

Out of the blue. Which means the Reapers attacked the Earth not through a relay, but by coming out of FTL in its orbit. Which means that the 5th Fleet and the Arcturus Station are probably still intact.

[didymos1120]

iakus wrote...

For that matter, Fifth Fleet, at least is probably already trashed at this point, as Arcturus Station guards the relay to Earth..

This assumes there are no other relays that could link to Earth, when in actuality Arcturus is just where the only known relay that can do so is.  The Reapers, however, know where all the relays are, not just those the current spacefaring species have found so far, so they could very possibly avoid Arcturus altogether.

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
What the OP says is that most of those shuttles should not carry the Alliance insignia. Hell, some of them should carry Cerberus logos, which, as we all know, are actually the Cord-Hislop Aerospace logos, which has used to have offices on Earth.

The Alliance should have Earth bases, considering that it started there, and USNA is a member state.

iakus wrote...
Out of the blue. Which means the Reapers attacked the Earth not through a relay, but by coming out of FTL in its orbit. Which means that the 5th Fleet and the Arcturus Station are probably still intact.

Out of the blue? Someone didn't watch the live action trailer.

Modifié par Phaedon, 24 juillet 2011 - 12:29 .

[GreenDragon37]

didymos1120 wrote...

iakus wrote...

For that matter, Fifth Fleet, at least is probably already trashed at this point, as Arcturus Station guards the relay to Earth..

This assumes there are no other relays that could link to Earth, when in actuality Arcturus is just where the only known relay that can do so is.  The Reapers, however, know where all the relays are, not just those the current spacefaring species have found so far, so they could very possibly avoid Arcturus altogether.

That'd be a very poor tactical decision if the Reapers didn't take out Arcturus as well. Maybe one of the main missions should be the defense of Arcturus?

[Phaedon]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
That'd be a very poor tactical decision if the Reapers didn't take out Arcturus as well. Maybe one of the main missions should be the defense of Arcturus?

It's a space station, they can take it out when the time comes, it's not as if any fleet has the firepower to counter them.

[GreenDragon37]

Phaedon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...
That'd be a very poor tactical decision if the Reapers didn't take out Arcturus as well. Maybe one of the main missions should be the defense of Arcturus?

It's a space station, they can take it out when the time comes, it's not as if any fleet has the firepower to counter them.

But it is the Alliance's headquarters. Why not take it out for good measure? Especially since it is a relay hop away.

[didymos1120]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That'd be a very poor tactical decision if the Reapers didn't take out Arcturus as well. Maybe one of the main missions should be the defense of Arcturus?

Not necessarily.  Attack Earth via another route. Let the calls for help reach Arcturus. Station some Reapers at Charon and wait for the ships to roll in.  Now shoot them before they can do jack.  Or just send a task force there to attack while the bulk hit Earth via another route. 

[Someone With Mass]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That'd be a very poor tactical decision if the Reapers didn't take out Arcturus as well. Maybe one of the main missions should be the defense of Arcturus?

I'd imagine that it'd take them two, maybe three shots to totally destroy that station.

[Phaedon]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
But it is the Alliance's headquarters. Why not take it out for good measure? Especially since it is a relay hop away.

Why? That's fairly easy to answer. The fleets are a joke, what the Reapers don't want is any part of the human population getting away. It would be much more difficult to harvest them that way.

If they attacked Arcturus first, Earth would be alerted.

[GreenDragon37]

didymos1120 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That'd be a very poor tactical decision if the Reapers didn't take out Arcturus as well. Maybe one of the main missions should be the defense of Arcturus?

Not necessarily.  Attack Earth via another route. Let the calls for help reach Arcturus. Station some Reapers at Charon and wait for the ships to roll in.  Now shoot them before they can do jack.  Or just send a task force there to attack while the bulk hit Earth via another route. 

I'd still take down Arcturus. I'm not saying "don't attack Earth first", I'm saying taking out Arcturus would be a sound plan as well. Cutting off the head, so to speak.

[GreenDragon37]

Phaedon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...
But it is the Alliance's headquarters. Why not take it out for good measure? Especially since it is a relay hop away.

Why? That's fairly easy to answer. The fleets are a joke, what the Reapers don't want is any part of the human population getting away. It would be much more difficult to harvest them that way.

If they attacked Arcturus first, Earth would be alerted.

They would only need probably 3 Reapers to take down Arcturus. Maybe less. The rest of the Fleet would be at Earth.

[Someone With Mass]

Maybe they're attacking both. They clearly have enough ships to do it.

[didymos1120]

To get off the "What about Arcturus?" topic: since the Alliance has won a Council seat, it's rather probable that it has assumed an even larger role in the affairs of Earth than it already had, including an increased presence of both personnel and materiel. I really can't see the status quo on Earth staying the same when it's different everywhere else.

[Phaedon]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
They would only need probably 3 Reapers to take down Arcturus. Maybe less. The rest of the Fleet would be at Earth. 

Well, the problem is that they wouldn't arrive in both places at the same time.

[didymos1120]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Or just send a task force there to attack while the bulk hit Earth via another route. 

I'd still take down Arcturus. I'm not saying "don't attack Earth first", I'm saying taking out Arcturus would be a sound plan as well. Cutting off the head, so to speak.

As I said: maybe they'll do that too.

[GreenDragon37]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Maybe they're attacking both. They clearly have enough ships to do it.

That's what I'm saying. Attack both at once. It's obvious the Reapers can do it. And if they found other Replays to get to Earth, then it's possible to have a small task group hit Arcturus, while the main fleet hits Earth. Imagine Shephard running to Arcturus to try to warn them only to find the Reapers already there and killing the 5th Fleet. It would really hit the player with that sense of "hoplessness" and the "Reapers are everywhere".

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 24 juillet 2011 - 12:45 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And Tali is confirmed permanent squadmate. Duh.

Yes, your problem being?

>>> News flash! <<<
 

Phaedon wrote...



If the only people who survive are crewmen, then there will most likely not be a second generation to serve on the ships.

There will also be no one to produce materials, or ships.

See, when the Turians sacrifice all their dreadnoughts to evacute Palaven, and the Alliance fleet destroys the Reapers with minimal losses (thanks to TIM, of course), the defenseless turians will become the next target. If they don't surrender, they will be destroyed too. Big deal. That's how extinction works.

And don't worry, I think we can relax the "fraternization" regiulations in times of need, Lol!

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And don't worry, I think we can relax the "fraternization" regiulations in times of need, Lol!

Until the genetic diversity is out of the game, that is.

Then we're talking inbreeds. A lot of inbreeds.

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
[color=#FF0000">>]>[/color][color=#00FF00">>] News flash! [/color][color=#00FF00"><]<[/color]<
 

She has been confirmed using the words "main", and TIM by the words "antagonist". Cerberus also makes for 40% of the game. Therefore, Cerberus must be the enemy.

Deal with it.

Phaedon wrote...

See, when the Turians sacrifice all their dreadnoughts to evacute Palaven, and the Alliance fleet destroys the Reapers with minimal losses (thanks to TIM, of course), the defenseless turians will become the next target. If they don't surrender, they will be destroyed too. Big deal. That's how extinction works.

And don't worry, I think we can relax the "fraternization" regiulations in times of need, Lol!

Nice job skipping my previous post proving how that is absolutely impossible.

1) Viruses or Superweapons have nothing to do with fleets and research staff don't ride rescue shuttles.

2) Even if an upgrade manages to cut through a billion years of technolodgical advance and give every Alliance ship the firepower of a Reaper, they would still be outnumbered.

3) Fraternization will produce one or two generations at best, which can easily be attacked by other races.

[SGON7]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Out of the blue. Which means the Reapers attacked the Earth not through a relay, but by coming out of FTL in its orbit. Which means that the 5th Fleet and the Arcturus Station are probably still intact.

Alliance ships FTL speed are about 180 time faster then light. Coming out of the mass relay and going to earth takes around 2 to 3 minutes. I think its realistic to say theyd have time to ****** on your arcturus station and fly to earth before we can do anything even if they come out of the relay. 5km station floating in space is very VULNERABLE.

Modifié par SGON7, 24 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Until the genetic diversity is out of the game, that is.

Then we're talking inbreeds. A lot of inbreeds.

1. Inbreeding is beneficial 1/4 of the time.

2. The Alliance militiary consists of way more members than that first modern human tribe in Africa. You know, the one that was on the brink of extinction right before it demographically exloded.

3. Cerberus crazy scientists. They'll think of something.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

She has been confirmed using the words "main"

Care for an exact quote?

Phaedon wrote...



and TIM by the words "antagonist". Cerberus also makes for 40% of the game. Therefore, Cerberus must be the enemy.

Therefore, we must be playing as the bad guys in ME3.

Phaedon wrote...



Deal with it.

You too.

Phaedon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

See, when the Turians sacrifice all their dreadnoughts to evacute Palaven, and the Alliance fleet destroys the Reapers with minimal losses (thanks to TIM, of course), the defenseless turians will become the next target. If they don't surrender, they will be destroyed too. Big deal. That's how extinction works.

And don't worry, I think we can relax the "fraternization" regiulations in times of need, Lol!

Nice job skipping my previous post proving how that is absolutely impossible.

You mean the one you messed up all the quotes in, just like in this one?

Phaedon wrote...



1) Viruses or Superweapons have nothing to do with fleets and research staff don't ride rescue shuttles.

And that makes sacrificing the fleets and rescue shuttles less pointless how exactly?

Phaedon wrote...


2) Even if an upgrade manages to cut through a billion years of technolodgical advance and give every Alliance ship the firepower of a Reaper, they would still be outnumbered.

And that makes sacrificing what little we have less pointless how exactly?

Phaedon wrote...


3) Fraternization will produce one or two generations at best, which can easily be attacked by other races.

Not if the fleets are preserved. Not if the first generation takes advantage of those races that have sacrificed their fleets to save a fraction of their non-productive population.

[QuickSilverswe]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Until the genetic diversity is out of the game, that is.

Then we're talking inbreeds. A lot of inbreeds.

1. Inbreeding is beneficial 1/4 of the time.

2. The Alliance militiary consists of way more members than that first modern human tribe in Africa. You know, the one that was on the brink of extinction right before it demographically exloded.

3. Cerberus crazy scientists. They'll think of something.

I find it very interesting that you do not respond to Phaedon's arguments that he have given you on you´r other topics/opinions, and instead you argument with to other people. Are really ignoring his arguments against you? Begin with answering his arguments against you, which is currently crushing your opinion on this threads topic.

And about this threads topic.  I meen really? Not to defend our home planet, where humanity have evolved to the state humanity is in ME. All the culture of humanity, art, historical buildings and so on.

You can´t look through a soldiers eyes at this topic. We are actully having an argument over humanity as a whole, not for few colonies in Sol system and other places in the galaxy.

And come to think of the ide to sacrefice civlians insted of Alliance ships. One part of being a soldier is that YOU PROTECT civlians during war times. You thougt that the men and women during world war 2 thought that they needed to save there tanks and boats insted of the ppl in Europe?