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[Captain Crash]

RGFrog wrote...

So, how will they retcon the face change this time? Shep gets plastic surgery so the Batarians wont recognize her?

Or was she transferred into a new, young, super-soldier body so she could one-hit, melee Reaper ships?

retcon is such a strong word.

Personally I would like to see something like in ME1 again where you have to construct your profile to the Alliance Network.

In game the technology will exist for facial surgery probably quite widely.  After all you can book appointments for plastic surgery at present.   It exists today so its in no way a retcon when the technology will be believably available in the future and will be far more advanced.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 juillet 2011 - 03:35 .

[Kreidian]

Why I voted for Blonde Shep...

I can tell you right now it has nothing to do with her hair color. Indeed I think the actual color of her hair is her least interesting feature. Which is not to say I don't like the color, it just doesn't do much to really add to the character.

That ultimately is what I like most about that image. It just fits better with what I imagine the character of Shepard to be like. And no I don't think of her as ditzy, quite the opposite.

What I love about Fem Shep as a character is that she's an action hero first and foremost. Probably the nature of haivng to use the same lines for both male and female shepard has helped develope the character in this way. Never the less it's great to have an awesome female lead action hero whose gender isn't at the forefront of who the character is. She's not defined by her gender but rather by her actions and personality, as all great characters should be. She's a soldier, she's a badass, she's a hero, and yes she's a woman. But she doesn't need to have a huge chip on her shoulder about it, nor does she have to be overly sensitive and emotional in order to be sufficiently feminine. She is who she is and she doesn't let anyone else dictate who she should be. ( The irony being that this is exactly what the players get to do, but that's really part of the gameplay. )

That said it is important that FemShep be able to portray herself as actually being a woman. It's important for the character to be able to differentiate her from her male counterpart. Characters who are nothing more then carbon copies with just the gender flag switched don't really make very compelling people. FemShep should be something more then just "Shepard with boobs". In this way when characters make a reference to Shepard being a woman, it's a beleiveable part of the game.

What I liked about the Blonde Shep wasn't her hair color. It was that unlike the others her hair had the look of being just tossed around. As if Shepard had done little more then clean it before diving right into the middle of combat to save the galaxy. Her hair hasn't been perfectly styled, like #4. Also it's not placed perfectly in some tightassed bun or tail like #2 and #3 which just give off too much of that "chip on your shoulder" vibe. At the same time it's not ridiculously short cropped, like #1, so much so she ends up looking more like a boy then a woman. Maybe I would have prefered a different color, but given the choices Blonde Shep is simply the better fit; it's a style that works well for the woman soldier baddass action hero that she is.



Oh, just a thought for Bioware. While it may have the lowest votes currently, I do think it would be nice to have #6, aka the Holly Conrad, in the game somewhere. ( I believe Casey Hudson promised Morgan Webb that the hairstyle would be in the game after all. ) Better yet you should have Holly as a character in the game, just a small part as a nod to all her awesome work.
ps. How about as Conrad Verner's wife, that would be amusing...
pps. ... and it would be hilarious if Conrad's Wife turned out to be an even bigger Shepard fan, made her own costume, and dresses up as her as well.
Whether they do it or not, that imagery is massively funny.

[Arppis]

Kreidian wrote...

Why I voted for Blonde Shep...

I can tell you right now it has nothing to do with her hair color. Indeed I think the actual color of her hair is her least interesting feature. Which is not to say I don't like the color, it just doesn't do much to really add to the character.

That ultimately is what I like most about that image. It just fits better with what I imagine the character of Shepard to be like. And no I don't think of her as ditzy, quite the opposite.

What I love about Fem Shep as a character is that she's an action hero first and foremost. Probably the nature of haivng to use the same lines for both male and female shepard has helped develope the character in this way. Never the less it's great to have an awesome female lead action hero whose gender isn't at the forefront of who the character is. She's not defined by her gender but rather by her actions and personality, as all great characters should be. She's a soldier, she's a badass, she's a hero, and yes she's a woman. But she doesn't need to have a huge chip on her shoulder about it, nor does she have to be overly sensitive and emotional in order to be sufficiently feminine. She is who she is and she doesn't let anyone else dictate who she should be. ( The irony being that this is exactly what the players get to do, but that's really part of the gameplay. )

That said it is important that FemShep be able to portray herself as actually being a woman. It's important for the character to be able to differentiate her from her male counterpart. Characters who are nothing more then carbon copies with just the gender flag switched don't really make very compelling people. FemShep should be something more then just "Shepard with boobs". In this way when characters make a reference to Shepard being a woman, it's a beleiveable part of the game.

What I liked about the Blonde Shep wasn't her hair color. It was that unlike the others her hair had the look of being just tossed around. As if Shepard had done little more then clean it before diving right into the middle of combat to save the galaxy. Her hair hasn't been perfectly styled, like #4. Also it's not placed perfectly in some tightassed bun or tail like #2 and #3 which just give off too much of that "chip on your shoulder" vibe. At the same time it's not ridiculously short cropped, like #1, so much so she ends up looking more like a boy then a woman. Maybe I would have prefered a different color, but given the choices Blonde Shep is simply the better fit; it's a style that works well for the woman soldier baddass action hero that she is.



Oh, just a thought for Bioware. While it may have the lowest votes currently, I do think it would be nice to have #6, aka the Holly Conrad, in the game somewhere. ( I believe Casey Hudson promised Morgan Webb that the hairstyle would be in the game after all. ) Better yet you should have Holly as a character in the game, just a small part as a nod to all her awesome work.
ps. How about as Conrad Verner's wife, that would be amusing...
pps. ... and it would be hilarious if Conrad's Wife turned out to be an even bigger Shepard fan, made her own costume, and dresses up as her as well.
Whether they do it or not, that imagery is massively funny.

Yeah, she should look femine. Agreed.

[Keatons]

What I don't get is why they can't just include the other hairstyles in the game. I would prefer they bepresets but understand  that making an additional 5 presets would most likely take too long, but is would adding a few extra hair options really be that hard? I'm serious Bioware, would it? I'm not a programmer after all. Hell, I wouldn't even mind waiting a bit for a DLC sort of thing to add the hairstyles either. It's just that the options are so much better than anything in ME2.

[Uszi]

Captain Crash wrote...

RGFrog wrote...

So, how will they retcon the face change this time? Shep gets plastic surgery so the Batarians wont recognize her?

Or was she transferred into a new, young, super-soldier body so she could one-hit, melee Reaper ships?

retcon is such a strong word.

Personally I would like to see something like in ME1 again where you have to construct your profile to the Alliance Network.

In game the technology will exist for facial surgery probably quite widely.  After all you can book appointments for plastic surgery at present.   It exists today so its in no way a retcon when the technology will be believably available in the future and will be far more advanced.

No retcon is necessary!

Bioware isn't going to waste time explaining why default Femshep's face is different in ME3 because the Jane Shepard of ME1 and ME2 did not officially exist.

Femshep did not appear in any offical capacity ever.  She wasn't on box art, in trailers, or talked about.  Pictures or videos of Femshep are fan provided, and while she has a lot of fans, that doesn't make her officially exist.  I mean, bigfoot has a lot of fans, too.  

And this is what makes voting for the official Femshep exciting, and I suspect why they're changing her appearance to begin with.  She exists now, and that's what she'll look like.  Hooray!

EDIT:
If the question is about how they're going to explain YOUR Femshep's face change, I don't think that will be an issue.  Likely, if you're playing with Old Jane Shepard, it won't force the change to the new Default.  My guess is that you will simply import your facial features, like any other imported face would.

Modifié par Uszi, 29 juillet 2011 - 04:57 .

[vallore]

The pictures look cute and too young, really. She looks in her early 20s and out of the catwalk as opposed to the early 30s no nonsense veteran marine that would have make sense to me. <shrug> that’s what the CC is there for.

[Balek-Vriege]

Uszi wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

RGFrog wrote...

So, how will they retcon the face change this time? Shep gets plastic surgery so the Batarians wont recognize her?

Or was she transferred into a new, young, super-soldier body so she could one-hit, melee Reaper ships?

retcon is such a strong word.

Personally I would like to see something like in ME1 again where you have to construct your profile to the Alliance Network.

In game the technology will exist for facial surgery probably quite widely.  After all you can book appointments for plastic surgery at present.   It exists today so its in no way a retcon when the technology will be believably available in the future and will be far more advanced.

No retcon is necessary!

Bioware isn't going to waste time explaining why default Femshep's face is different in ME3 because the Jane Shepard of ME1 and ME2 did not officially exist.

Femshep did not appear in any offical capacity ever.  She wasn't on box art, in trailers, or talked about.  Pictures or videos of Femshep are fan provided, and while she has a lot of fans, that doesn't make her officially exist.  I mean, bigfoot has a lot of fans, too.  

And this is what makes voting for the official Femshep exciting, and I suspect why they're changing her appearance to begin with.  She exists now, and that's what she'll look like.  Hooray!

EDIT:
If the question is about how they're going to explain YOUR Femshep's face change, I don't think that will be an issue.  Likely, if you're playing with Old Jane Shepard, it won't force the change to the new Default.  My guess is that you will simply import your facial features, like any other imported face would.

Even if it didn't (Bioware already confirmed its in), the original is not unique.  It's the exact match of preset 1 for custom femshep, but with complexion 1 instead of 2 and is only one hair colour slider off.  Not exactly rocket science to recreate the default Shep.  Again, there's nothing unique about it compared to the custom face options.

[Eurhetemec]

Uszi wrote...

Femshep did not appear in any offical capacity ever.  She wasn't on box art, in trailers, or talked about.  Pictures or videos of Femshep are fan provided, and while she has a lot of fans, that doesn't make her officially exist.  I mean, bigfoot has a lot of fans, too.  

Actually, FemShep has appeared in one official capacity - as a forum avatar, on this forum. There are official BioWare FemShep forum avatars for both ME1 and ME2. Some people posting in this thread are using them.

So Bigfoot comparisons are a bit dumb.

[Captain Crash]

Wait femshep was just compared to bigfoot? what?

Of course she officially exists. Bioware stated many times theres no "canon" Shepard and everyone player has the option of Gender. Just because less people overall play female Shepard and Sheploo is marketed doesn't at all mean Bioware have ever officially not recognised her. That kind of a really silly comment.

Plus if you look on the ME2 screenshots page there are four pre-released femshep screenshots for ME2 that debunks that statement also.

[jamesp81]

Captain Crash wrote...

RGFrog wrote...

So, how will they retcon the face change this time? Shep gets plastic surgery so the Batarians wont recognize her?

Or was she transferred into a new, young, super-soldier body so she could one-hit, melee Reaper ships?

retcon is such a strong word.

Personally I would like to see something like in ME1 again where you have to construct your profile to the Alliance Network.

In game the technology will exist for facial surgery probably quite widely.  After all you can book appointments for plastic surgery at present.   It exists today so its in no way a retcon when the technology will be believably available in the future and will be far more advanced.

I don't think there's any need to link it to a story reason.  If someone wants to change their character's appearance, just let them do it and assume that's what they really looked like all along.

I don't see why that would be a big deal or a problem.

[Captain Crash]

Agreed James. I just think some people are looking for the game to give them a reason or excuse to change appearance. I don't at all think its needed. If you want to change you looks then you should be allowed to without a plot device backing it up.

Bioware doesn't need to hold your hand for every little change. If you want a detailed reason then im sure as a player you can use some imagination. Like coming up with a story for your ME1 scar for example.

[Arxduke]

It's Friday everybody! FRIDAY~ roflmao    ---not a bash, but this was too funny to leave out. Enjoi

Modifié par Arxduke, 29 juillet 2011 - 06:05 .

[LPPrince]

I'll take Pony and Trollface. Keep the rest.

[Goldbullet]

LOL win! .....Snape. D:

[DarthSliver]

Captain Crash wrote...

Agreed James. I just think some people are looking for the game to give them a reason or excuse to change appearance. I don't at all think its needed. If you want to change you looks then you should be allowed to without a plot device backing it up.

Bioware doesn't need to hold your hand for every little change. If you want a detailed reason then im sure as a player you can use some imagination. Like coming up with a story for your ME1 scar for example.

Some people just dont see that it would be a waste for Bioware to add any new hairstyles and what not if those options were only avaliable for  Shepards created in ME3. I plan to use #5 in hope i can change her hair color to Red for my female Sentinal Shepard. But what would be nice if they had a joke in ME3 referring to your appearance change if you do choose to change your appearance in ME3 from Importing. 

Also like Captain Crash has said about there being no "canon" Shepard is true. Sheploo thats used in advertising the ME games is just Iconic Shepard or Bioware's Shepard and the same can be said with the new female Shepard. We can so choose to use either Shepards if we dont wanna hassle with customizing our own, but the fact stands our Shepards can and problay will be different from Bioware's Shepards. 

[Captain Crash]

 Carefull with the quoting there Metopholus, that makes it look like I said those words  


@Darth:  Looking at the first part of your response im not sure if you understood what I meant.  Im not against anything new in the CC such as the hairstyles.  I would really welcome any of them!! They all look great and it was one of my biggest gripes of ME2.   What I was impling is that there isnt a need for a clever plot device such as the Lazerus Project to allow us to reconstruct Shepard this time around. 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:12 .

[100k]

Kreidian wrote...

Why I voted for Blonde Shep...

I can tell you right now it has nothing to do with her hair color. Indeed I think the actual color of her hair is her least interesting feature. Which is not to say I don't like the color, it just doesn't do much to really add to the character.

That ultimately is what I like most about that image. It just fits better with what I imagine the character of Shepard to be like. And no I don't think of her as ditzy, quite the opposite.

What I love about Fem Shep as a character is that she's an action hero first and foremost. Probably the nature of haivng to use the same lines for both male and female shepard has helped develope the character in this way. Never the less it's great to have an awesome female lead action hero whose gender isn't at the forefront of who the character is. She's not defined by her gender but rather by her actions and personality, as all great characters should be. She's a soldier, she's a badass, she's a hero, and yes she's a woman. But she doesn't need to have a huge chip on her shoulder about it, nor does she have to be overly sensitive and emotional in order to be sufficiently feminine. She is who she is and she doesn't let anyone else dictate who she should be. ( The irony being that this is exactly what the players get to do, but that's really part of the gameplay. )

That said it is important that FemShep be able to portray herself as actually being a woman. It's important for the character to be able to differentiate her from her male counterpart. Characters who are nothing more then carbon copies with just the gender flag switched don't really make very compelling people. FemShep should be something more then just "Shepard with boobs". In this way when characters make a reference to Shepard being a woman, it's a beleiveable part of the game.

What I liked about the Blonde Shep wasn't her hair color. It was that unlike the others her hair had the look of being just tossed around. As if Shepard had done little more then clean it before diving right into the middle of combat to save the galaxy. Her hair hasn't been perfectly styled, like #4. Also it's not placed perfectly in some tightassed bun or tail like #2 and #3 which just give off too much of that "chip on your shoulder" vibe. At the same time it's not ridiculously short cropped, like #1, so much so she ends up looking more like a boy then a woman. Maybe I would have prefered a different color, but given the choices Blonde Shep is simply the better fit; it's a style that works well for the woman soldier baddass action hero that she is.



Oh, just a thought for Bioware. While it may have the lowest votes currently, I do think it would be nice to have #6, aka the Holly Conrad, in the game somewhere. ( I believe Casey Hudson promised Morgan Webb that the hairstyle would be in the game after all. ) Better yet you should have Holly as a character in the game, just a small part as a nod to all her awesome work.
ps. How about as Conrad Verner's wife, that would be amusing...
pps. ... and it would be hilarious if Conrad's Wife turned out to be an even bigger Shepard fan, made her own costume, and dresses up as her as well.
Whether they do it or not, that imagery is massively funny.

I respect this, and thoroughly agree, especially with the highlighted part.

[Mister Mida]

Kreidian wrote...

That said it is important that FemShep be able to portray herself as actually being a woman. It's important for the character to be able to differentiate her from her male counterpart. Characters who are nothing more then carbon copies with just the gender flag switched don't really make very compelling people. FemShep should be something more then just "Shepard with boobs". In this way when characters make a reference to Shepard being a woman, it's a beleiveable part of the game.

Then it should go both ways. I don't see male shep being 'acknowledged as a man' as well. I do see femshep being acknowledged as woman by Harkin in Chora's Den. For the rest is everyone reacting to Shepard like he/she is no gender at all.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:25 .

[100k]

Mister Mida wrote...

Kreidian wrote...

That said it is important that FemShep be able to portray herself as actually being a woman. It's important for the character to be able to differentiate her from her male counterpart. Characters who are nothing more then carbon copies with just the gender flag switched don't really make very compelling people. FemShep should be something more then just "Shepard with boobs". In this way when characters make a reference to Shepard being a woman, it's a beleiveable part of the game.

Then it should go both ways. I don't see male shep being 'acknowledged as a man' as well. I do see femshep being acknowledged as woman by Harkin in Chora's Den. For the rest is everyone reacting to Shepard like he/she is no gender at all.

Fair enough. Sounds really good to me, actually. Playing as one gender or the other should always be just a little bit different. Not in a negative or positive aspect, but in the aspect that there is recognition for who and what Shepard is.

[jamesp81]

LPPrince wrote...

I'll take Pony and Trollface. Keep the rest.

Poised in front of Earth under siege, Trollface is epic.

Alliance: ZOMG, Earth is being attacked!
Trollface: Problem?

[DarthSliver]

Captain Crash wrote...

 Carefull with the quoting there Metopholus, that makes it look like I said those words  


@Darth:  Looking at the first part of your response im not sure if you understood what I meant.  Im not against anything new in the CC such as the hairstyles.  I would really welcome any of them!! They all look great and it was one of my biggest gripes of ME2.   What I was impling is that there isnt a need for a clever plot device such as the Lazerus Project to allow us to reconstruct Shepard this time around. 

Yeah i agree with that but also it would be a waste of time for Bioware to add new Hairstyles and what not if only ME3 created Shepards had access to those styles. As for the joke part i mentioned, it wouldnt be anyplot device just a reference by a character thats close to Shepard would make type thing. 

[Captain Crash]

100k wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Kreidian wrote...

That said it is important that FemShep be able to portray herself as actually being a woman. It's important for the character to be able to differentiate her from her male counterpart. Characters who are nothing more then carbon copies with just the gender flag switched don't really make very compelling people. FemShep should be something more then just "Shepard with boobs". In this way when characters make a reference to Shepard being a woman, it's a beleiveable part of the game.

Then it should go both ways. I don't see male shep being 'acknowledged as a man' as well. I do see femshep being acknowledged as woman by Harkin in Chora's Den. For the rest is everyone reacting to Shepard like he/she is no gender at all.

Fair enough. Sounds really good to me, actually. Playing as one gender or the other should always be just a little bit different. Not in a negative or positive aspect, but in the aspect that there is recognition for who and what Shepard is.

Thus why Gender Neutrality is the best and easiest option.   Little distinctions like sir and ma'am are always nice. However femshep shouldnt be able to do something maleshep cant and vice versa.  They are the same character after all.  

For Bioware the best option is also the simpliest as its something they dont have to think about and it will please everyone still.