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LPPrince wrote...

I've got reaaally long hair, so I know #5 doesn't have long hair.

But we're seeing it from the ME perspective. That's long hair as far as options are concerned.


Ditto. Pics in sig bottom line. However I think 5's hair length is perfect length imho for the femshep I wish to create and style too.

Only thing I would prefer different at all would have been preference of black>blonde>brunette then red in order of black most prefered. But even if have to use blonde because it ticks 2 of the 3 boxes (style and length) and I really have nothing against blonde heronies especially in ME universe even if stays blonde I'm happy with choice.

I am biased as far as preferences go with red heads though because don't know any red head women in real life here but do know or did more accuratley know a red head guy while back, he barely ever washed especially his hair so left very slight negative vibe towards red haired people.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:31 .


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I'm not saying FemShep should not be allowed to look good. All I'm saying is that she should absolutely not look like a child. She's in her thirties, and while one could argue that people probably age slightly more slowly in the ME universe than in the real world, the difference should not be THAT apparent. All of these Shepard options look far too young, disregarding whether they look like soldiers or not.

Also, I know the hair isn't technically "long". My own hair is about four times as long as that which Blonde Shep displays. I'm just saying that from a logical standpoint, it's too long to be practical while fighting. Still, it's better than the hair on Rhianna Shep, which covers half her face.

Modifié par Doveberry, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:35 .


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You can't tell what someone in their early thirties looks like. There is no magical amount of aging that all people have gained by that point that makes it recognizable.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I've got reaaally long hair, so I know #5 doesn't have long hair.

But we're seeing it from the ME perspective. That's long hair as far as options are concerned.


Ditto. Pics in sig bottom line. However I think 5's hair length is perfect length imho for the femshep I wish to create and style too.

Only thing I would prefer different at all would have been preference of black>blonde>brunette then red in order of black most prefered. But even if have to use blonde because it ticks 2 of the 3 boxes (style and length) and I really have nothing against blonde heronies especially in ME universe even if stays blonde I'm happy with choice.

I am biased as far as preferences go with red heads though because don't know any red head women in real life here but do know or did more accuratley know a red head guy while back, he barely ever washed especially his hair so left very slight negative vibe towards red haired people.


Ha. My hair is looooooong. Ask me a question about it here- http://www.vyou.com/theprince

I've grown my hair out for I think 6 or so years now. Used to be REALLY short, and now its long as hell.

No way Shepard would rock what I've got. 6 years ago, sure. Now? God no.

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Doveberry wrote...

I'm not saying FemShep should not be allowed to look good. All I'm saying is that she should absolutely not look like a child. She's in her thirties, and while one could argue that people probably age slightly more slowly in the ME universe than in the real world, the difference should not be THAT apparent. All of these shepard options look far too young, disregarding whether they look like soldiers or not.

I would love to see what you think a 29 years old woman should look like.

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Doveberry wrote...

I'm not saying FemShep should not be allowed to look good. All I'm saying is that she should absolutely not look like a child. She's in her thirties, and while one could argue that people probably age slightly more slowly in the ME universe than in the real world, the difference should not be THAT apparent. All of these shepard options look far too young, disregarding whether they look like soldiers or not.


That's the first thing I thought when I clicked on this thread and saw the first picture..... "too young" ... next picture, "too young" .... next picture, "ugggh, too young" .... then I saw 4 and 5 and their hair covered their face and what not just right to where they didn't look as young. haha

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lilco wrote...
I would love to see what you think a 29 years old woman should look like.

That certainly varies a lot, but I have never seen one looking as though she were in her early teens.

Shotokanguy wrote...

You can't tell what someone in their
early thirties looks like. There is no magical amount of aging that all
people have gained by that point that makes it recognizable.

True, but at 30, you should have long since reached the point where you no longer look like a child.

Modifié par Doveberry, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:39 .


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LPPrince wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I've got reaaally long hair, so I know #5 doesn't have long hair.

But we're seeing it from the ME perspective. That's long hair as far as options are concerned.


Ditto. Pics in sig bottom line. However I think 5's hair length is perfect length imho for the femshep I wish to create and style too.

Only thing I would prefer different at all would have been preference of black>blonde>brunette then red in order of black most prefered. But even if have to use blonde because it ticks 2 of the 3 boxes (style and length) and I really have nothing against blonde heronies especially in ME universe even if stays blonde I'm happy with choice.

I am biased as far as preferences go with red heads though because don't know any red head women in real life here but do know or did more accuratley know a red head guy while back, he barely ever washed especially his hair so left very slight negative vibe towards red haired people.


Ha. My hair is looooooong. Ask me a question about it here- http://www.vyou.com/theprince

I've grown my hair out for I think 6 or so years now. Used to be REALLY short, and now its long as hell.

No way Shepard would rock what I've got. 6 years ago, sure. Now? God no.


lol you would win without even needing to check, 6 years beats my 1-2 year uncut by long way. 6 years would be around down to my belly button probably.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:39 .


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Doveberry wrote...

I'm not saying FemShep should not be allowed to look good. All I'm saying is that she should absolutely not look like a child. She's in her thirties, and while one could argue that people probably age slightly more slowly in the ME universe than in the real world, the difference should not be THAT apparent. All of these shepard options look far too young, disregarding whether they look like soldiers or not.


Just to compare, what DOES a thirty year old look like to you?

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I've got reaaally long hair, so I know #5 doesn't have long hair.

But we're seeing it from the ME perspective. That's long hair as far as options are concerned.


Ditto. Pics in sig bottom line. However I think 5's hair length is perfect length imho for the femshep I wish to create and style too.

Only thing I would prefer different at all would have been preference of black>blonde>brunette then red in order of black most prefered. But even if have to use blonde because it ticks 2 of the 3 boxes (style and length) and I really have nothing against blonde heronies especially in ME universe even if stays blonde I'm happy with choice.

I am biased as far as preferences go with red heads though because don't know any red head women in real life here but do know or did more accuratley know a red head guy while back, he barely ever washed especially his hair so left very slight negative vibe towards red haired people.


Ha. My hair is looooooong. Ask me a question about it here- http://www.vyou.com/theprince

I've grown my hair out for I think 6 or so years now. Used to be REALLY short, and now its long as hell.

No way Shepard would rock what I've got. 6 years ago, sure. Now? God no.


lol you would win without even needing to check, 6 years beats my 1-2 year uncut by long way.


I'd hope so. Otherwise your hair growth is rapid as all hell.

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LPPrince wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I've got reaaally long hair, so I know #5 doesn't have long hair.

But we're seeing it from the ME perspective. That's long hair as far as options are concerned.


Ditto. Pics in sig bottom line. However I think 5's hair length is perfect length imho for the femshep I wish to create and style too.

Only thing I would prefer different at all would have been preference of black>blonde>brunette then red in order of black most prefered. But even if have to use blonde because it ticks 2 of the 3 boxes (style and length) and I really have nothing against blonde heronies especially in ME universe even if stays blonde I'm happy with choice.

I am biased as far as preferences go with red heads though because don't know any red head women in real life here but do know or did more accuratley know a red head guy while back, he barely ever washed especially his hair so left very slight negative vibe towards red haired people.


Ha. My hair is looooooong. Ask me a question about it here- http://www.vyou.com/theprince

I've grown my hair out for I think 6 or so years now. Used to be REALLY short, and now its long as hell.

No way Shepard would rock what I've got. 6 years ago, sure. Now? God no.


lol you would win without even needing to check, 6 years beats my 1-2 year uncut by long way.


I'd hope so. Otherwise your hair growth is rapid as all hell.


how do you guys stand having long hair? Hot as hell and does it not annoy you as well??

Once my hair starts to rub my ears, even the slightest bit, it starts bugging me and it's time to buzz it back down. lmao

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LPPrince wrote...

Doveberry wrote...

I'm not saying FemShep should not be allowed to look good. All I'm saying is that she should absolutely not look like a child. She's in her thirties, and while one could argue that people probably age slightly more slowly in the ME universe than in the real world, the difference should not be THAT apparent. All of these shepard options look far too young, disregarding whether they look like soldiers or not.


Just to compare, what DOES a thirty year old look like to you?

I would give you a picture if I had one. I will, if I can find a good example. All I'm saying is that, to me, these Shepards all look like they could not possibly be older than 16 (even that feels like a stretch), and that type of appearance is simply not believable at 30. I'm definitely not saying that she needs to look old, but a bit of maturity would be most welcome.

Edit: Try covering the body of the Shepards with your hand, looking only at the faces. Can you honestly say that they look believable?

Modifié par Doveberry, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:45 .


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how do you guys stand having long hair? Hot as hell and does it not annoy you as well??

Once my hair starts to rub my ears, even the slightest bit, it starts bugging me and it's time to buzz it back down. lmao


Long hair can be a hassle. Takes maintenance to keep it, otherwise you're F'd. But I've got reasons for keeping it-

1. Wrestling Gimmick- As a kid, I always had short hair. One day I looked towards the future and thought of my professional wrestling character and said, "He'd be taken more seriously if he had long hair", so I dedicated years of change to grow it out.

2. While not being Sikh myself, the royal side of my family is chock full of Sikhs and we descend from royal Sikh warriors. Part of what makes a Sikh what they are is their hair. So as I got older and came to understand more and more about my ancestors and family, I decided that I'd keep it long as a sort of tribute to them.

For those reasons, I deal with the negatives. The positives are worth it.

You have NO IDEA how good it is to have a woman run her soft hands through your long hair and scalp.

Thats worth ANY sort of hell. lol

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Doveberry wrote...

Edit: Try covering the body of the Shepards with your hand, looking only at the faces. Can you honestly say that they look believable?


YES.

By the way, while looking for a pic of a 30 year old, why not finding a pic of a teenager that you feel looks like the FemSheps in question?

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Shepherd number 2, the red head.

I ponder why on Facebook the blonde Shepherd was most popular, though I'm not a fan of blondes.

S'F'

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Shepherd number 2, the red head.

I ponder why on Facebook the blonde Shepherd was most popular, though I'm not a fan of blondes.

S'F'


Not just Facebook, here too. Check the poll on the first page.

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Tried to do Brunette

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sael_feman wrote...

Shepherd number 2, the red head.

I ponder why on Facebook the blonde Shepherd was most popular, though I'm not a fan of blondes.

S'F'


hairstyle...

if you read through some of those comments on facebook.... it's like this, "this one... but with red hair"

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Looks like someone lathered chocolate sauce on her head. LAWL

Not saying its bad, but the thought of that made me laugh.

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I like it. :D

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Tbh I think the femsheps look closer to my age than 30, I'm 20 so I'd say they look pretty young. But yeah all the comments on facebook about the blonde one are like yeh this one but with red/brown/black hair XD

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LPPrince wrote...
By the way, while looking for a pic of a 30 year old, why not finding a pic of a teenager that you feel looks like the FemSheps in question?

Alright, here we go. As for teenagers, the Shepards remind me a lot of this girl. She's 14 in the picture. A woman in her thirties is rather hard to pinpoint, but she might look something like this. That model is 23, however.

That's as good as I'm able to do, I suppose. I hope that this demonstrates what I mean.

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

how do you guys stand having long hair? Hot as hell and does it not annoy you as well??

Once my hair starts to rub my ears, even the slightest bit, it starts bugging me and it's time to buzz it back down. lmao


Live in wales in valley not often it's hot here. It's like a funnel for wind between mountains and most of time raining due to altitude. Could put it like this too its better imho to have warm head in winter than sunburned one in summer. Plus generally if going out I put in ponytail. Though not sure how on topic this discussion is.

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I don't like any of these. They all look too young. Shepard is in her early thirties.


As long as she looks like she's in her early 20's but looks battle-hardened (like Aris Ravenstar's photoshop - see sig and avatar), I'm happy. 


I like your avatar.  I'd have pegged her at 24-26, which is... acceptable.  There is something about the set of the cheeks and texture of the skin that makes her look appropriately aged.  I would like to change my vote to "Aris Ravenstar's photoshop."

If I might ask, what is it about a FemShep in her early 20's that appeals to you?

On a related note I would submit that the rigors of military life and the stresses of combat being what they are, Shepard should, if anything, look older than her years.


I sort of see early 20's as a nice balance between keeping with the lore, but not to the point that it's inconsistent with the way they've already made people look in the games. 

According to the books, humans generally look younger than humans today (big medical advances, of which one consequence has been longer life expectancy (~150, I think?) and another is that people generally look younger by today's standards (e.g. Kahlee Sanders, despite being in her late 30's/early 40's still looked like she was in her 20's - so apparently anyone with reasonable health care in the 2100's ages like a celebrity). 

The problem, however, is that this wasn't really reflected in the games - I think all the human characters we've seen whose ages we know look how they would look if they were in our time.  So basically, early 20's, to me, is a nice balance between being respectful to the lore, without being jarringly in contrast to everyone already seen in the game.  Plus, it would indeed be easy to explain that since Shepard is a very busy soldier, as you say, that that will add a few years to her appearance; and we can say the same for folks like Anderson, Kaidan, etc..


You bring up a good point: which should Bioware be more loyal to, their design or their lore? Normally I would say "Lore!", but in this specific instance I'm going to have to go with graphic design just because MaleShep's design is already all but set in stone. What I mean is, Advertising MaleShep appears to my eyes to be a physically fit chap of military bearing in his late-twenties/early-thirties. To my way of thinking, Advertising FemShep should look to resemble a physically fit gal of military bearing in her late-twenties/early-thirties, rather than these, if you'll forgive my saying so, pissed-off teenagers.

These girls are cute, these girls are pretty. And that's really the heart of my problem with them. They are cute, pretty girls. Shepard is not a cute, pretty girl. She is a strong, beautiful woman (at least she is in my mind). I've always held that the difference between "pretty" and "beautiful" is the air of dignity that in so intrinsic to the latter. So, on a personal level, I would hate to see a character as important to me as FemShep have her public face (literally in this case) robbed of that dignity. 

And that's another angle to this that me thinks is worth considering: ie the overall treatment of women in Mass Effect. It's hard to deny that ME2 was a pretty miserable offender when it came to objectifying women. With that in mind, I'd be lying if I said I'm looking at Bioware's treatment of women with anything other than an extremely wary eye. 

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These girls are cute, these girls are pretty. And that's really the heart of my problem with them. They are cute, pretty girls. Shepard is not a cute, pretty girl. She is a strong, beautiful woman (at least she is in my mind). I've always held that the difference between "pretty" and "beautiful" is the air of dignity that in so intrinsic to the latter. So, on a personal level, I would hate to see a character as important to me as FemShep have her public face (literally in this case) robbed of that dignity. 

This is what I've been trying, and failing, to say. You expressed my thoughts perfectly.