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[Alex the Droog]

FrostNer wrote...

He was beat Dragon Age 2 WHILE he was building the bombs! How dumb can you be Alex!

Hey, ******.

I'm playing Napoleon Total War right now, and guess what, I'm watching films illegally on the internet! It must be because of CREATIVE ASSEMBLY! DAM YOU SEGA!

Imagine if he was doing any of the following while building a bomb:
- Watching war films
- Reading Comics
- Discussing historical battles on internet forums
- Joining a historical re-enactment group

All of the above would be things full blown idiots like your collosally stupid self would blame his actions on. Guess what you moron. Yes, MORON. The guy was MENTALLY INSANE, and is an extreme RIGHT WINGER, who is opposed to the Norwegan LEFT WING LABOUR GOVERNMENT.

WAKE UP.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Correlation does not imply causation.

Christ, people cannot into logic.

[Alex the Droog]

mrcrusty wrote...

Correlation does not imply causation.

Christ, people cannot into logic.

www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/piratesarecool.jpg

I recomend the OP sees the above link.

[Chrishankhah]

Ethereal writer -- the article is incredibly bad at describing the game, in general.

Also, it needs a spoiler alert.

[Sinaxi]

MAGICAL EXPLOSIONS, GUYS!!



YESSSSS.


Anyone comparing this guy to Anders from DA2 is a moron, plain and simple. There's nothing to argue about.

Modifié par Tidra, 24 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[FrostNer]

"Anyone comparing this guy to Anders from DA2 is a moron, plain and simple. There's nothing to argue about."

you obviously didn't read the article or his "Anders Manifesto." name calling isn't going to get you anywhere if you don't have the arguement to back it up. children call people names, and that's what you are acting like.

[Jabba L5]

mrcrusty wrote...

Correlation does not imply causation.

Christ, people cannot into logic.

Correlation can very well imply causation.

'Imply' carries a different meaning in that phrase. I don't see anything inherently wrong in speculating that something largely inoffensive might have been the source of... some amount of obsession for a person which could very well suffer from mental disorders or to have even acted as a trigger in the perpetrator's mind.

I don't wanna sound psychoanalytical, but attempting to dismiss everything starting from a loose association with criminal acts and video games ( far from even outright said to have been the cause, so the 'correlation' statement thing feels doubly unwarranted ), this type of bias, shouldn't get in the way of forming our own rational conclusions just because we play video games too.

Assumptions like these are still a long shot away from blaming video games, Dragon Age 2, or anyone for that matterer. These cases are just unpredictable.

Modifié par Jabba L5, 24 juillet 2011 - 07:49 .

[xkg]

FrostNer wrote...

"Anyone comparing this guy to Anders from DA2 is a moron, plain and simple. There's nothing to argue about."

you obviously didn't read the article or his "Anders Manifesto." name calling isn't going to get you anywhere if you don't have the arguement to back it up. children call people names, and that's what you are acting like.

Did you miss two already locked threads.
How about mod saying "we're not doing this topic" ?

Kids don't know when to stop, you and ... well few others as we can see in this thread - are still kids.

[Alex the Droog]

FrostNer wrote...

"Anyone comparing this guy to Anders from DA2 is a moron, plain and simple. There's nothing to argue about."

you obviously didn't read the article or his "Anders Manifesto." name calling isn't going to get you anywhere if you don't have the arguement to back it up. children call people names, and that's what you are acting like.

Look. He was playing Dragon Age 2 around the time he launched a terrorist attack.

So ****ing what? There is NO CAUSATION. You are the one without an argument.

He was also; eating brekfast, tieing his shoelaces, and wearing shirts around the time he launched this attack. None have causation as to why he did it. Dragon Age 2 centres around a fictional fued between mages and Templars, whereas this guy was a right wing nut job who hated the Norwegan Labour party, and was quite clearly insane. It will probably arise later that he has several mental conditions.

Your argument is. "He played dragon age 2 and he has the same name as one of the guys"

Iv'e lost my temper with you ****ing ignorant ****. You make a mockery of the dead with your stupid finger pointing, **** off out of these forums you ****

[FrostNer]

Now you are getting overly angry. stop the "nerd rage" and lets have a civil discussion. go read the article and ESPECIALLY the manifesto.

[Yrkoon]

Alkaiser726 wrote...

It's been confirmed. He says himself in his manifesto that he actually played Dragon Age 2. He beat Origins too, and said it was brilliant. He likely beat Awakenings as well. Looks like this Jim Brogan guy wasn't too far off when he said there was eerie similaraties. New article is up too with his quotes and such. Startin' to get a bit creepy how many coincedences have lined up like this.

http://bit.ly/pu7ZFA

Or not.


I can't believe  we've got another thread about this.  It's the dumbest  connect-the-dots  exercise  *ever*.   And what are these similarities exactly?  Their names are the same.  They're both male and blond.  And they both blow sh*t up.  Wow and wow.

Do they both have a cat named ser pounce-a-lot?  Are they both mages?  Do they both blow up a chantry/church?  Are they both possessed by spirits of justice?  Are they both Grey Wardens?  Are they both Bisexual?  Are they both  hiding from the Templars?    Nope, to all.

So that just just brings us back to the fact that they just share the same name and race, and they're both certified nut-cases.  I don't call that  an eeire coincidence.  I call that 'unfortunately  way too common to draw a rational connection'.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:01 .

[esper]

Can't believe that I am responding to this, but the Norweigan attack was planned for 9 years (just out in the news right now). Which meant the it was planned long before dragon age 2

[Sinaxi]

FrostNer wrote...

"Anyone comparing this guy to Anders from DA2 is a moron, plain and simple. There's nothing to argue about."

you obviously didn't read the article or his "Anders Manifesto." name calling isn't going to get you anywhere if you don't have the arguement to back it up. children call people names, and that's what you are acting like.

Hah, um no. It's because I've already talked about this in another thread, and read an article all about it. My point still stands, it is an extremely loose correlation because the two situations have pretty much nothing in common besides the fact that he played the game...and now suddenly it's "OH! Clearly he was inspired by Anders from DA2!" Sure, he might have been - for extremely wrong reasons, since he is obviously twisted in his head and also can't comprehend how different Ander's situation in game is from his own ridiculous beliefs. What argument is it that you even have? That the guy played Dragon Age 2 and MIGHT have developed an obsession with a character who shared his name and decided to blow up a Chantry? Regardless, it doesn't make this guy have any sort of similarities with Anders from DA2.

He played WoW, and also played a mage. Big freaking deal. Oooh, the coincidences just keep getting...more COINCIDENCIEY! It's an absolute disgrace to even make a thread like this, which is why I stand by my point that people who want to bring this stupidity up and compare him to a fictional character based on pretty much just a name (since I doubt it would have garnered THIS much attention to DA2 Anders if the name wasn't the same) are still morons.

Oh, look at that, planned for 9 years. SOOOO SIMILAR. Nice pointless thread from someone, yet again.

Modifié par Tidra, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:04 .

[guardian of hades]

FrostNer wrote...

Now you are getting overly angry. stop the "nerd rage" and lets have a civil discussion. go read the article and ESPECIALLY the manifesto.

His hatred was aimed mostly at Muslims. 

"Our purpose," the document reads, is to "seize political and military control of Western European
countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda."


In grim, apocalyptic language, it advocates attacks on "traitors" across
Europe who are supposedly enabling a Muslim takeover of the continent.


"[W]e should… not exceed (per 2010) aprox. 45 000 dead and 1 million
wounded cultural Marxists/multiculturalists in Western Europe," the
author writes. "The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance.
The time for
armed resistance has come."

That has nothing to do with Dragon Age.  You put 2 and 2 together and came up with 22

BTW He signed his manifesto as Andrew not Anders

[Jabba L5]

Tidra wrote...

FrostNer wrote...

"Anyone comparing this guy to Anders from DA2 is a moron, plain and simple. There's nothing to argue about."

you obviously didn't read the article or his "Anders Manifesto." name calling isn't going to get you anywhere if you don't have the arguement to back it up. children call people names, and that's what you are acting like.

Hah, um no. It's because I've already talked about this in another thread, and read an article all about it. My point still stands, it is an extremely loose correlation because the two situations have pretty much nothing in common besides the fact that he played the game...and now suddenly it's "OH! Clearly he was inspired by Anders from DA2!" Sure, he might have been - for extremely wrong reasons, since he is obviously twisted in his head and also can't comprehend how different Ander's situation in game is from his own ridiculous beliefs.

So... is anyone even trying to speculate about more than that?

[SkittlesKat96]

I don't think DA 2 influenced him at all (he'd been planning it for much longer) and you can blame anything like action movies, a bad upbringing etc. for shootings like this.

On the other hand it IS a really weird coincidence.

[Alex the Droog]

'His hatred was aimed mostly at Muslims. '

wtf???

[megski]

I don't see why its such a stretch to say he could have been inspired. Most normal people know a game is just that, a game. It takes a special individual to do something like this. Say he did play DA2 and was like, 'wow, I wanna go blow up something' that still doesn't mean that DA2 made his ****** do it. HE did it. Besides if this was his master plan inspired by Anders, he should have taken note of all the people that despise and detest him for what he did. Even if he wrote, "I did this because Anders did" still doesn't make it the game's fault that he's an idiot.

[SkittlesKat96]

EDIT: Just forget about this post, I don't want to discuss politics here lol.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:41 .

[guardian of hades]

Alex the Droog wrote...

'His hatred was aimed mostly at Muslims. '

wtf???

http://blog.foreignp...slo_killer_want

Filled with hateful rantings against Muslims -- whom the author claims
are on a trajectory to take over Europe and erase its culture patrimony
-- the writing bears a great resemblence to online comments attributed
to Anders Breivik, 32, the confessed architect of a massacre that has so far claimed nearly 100 lives.

Basically he thought Muslims were a cause for a lot of the "pushed" multiculturalism and that went against his political agenda.  The guy had issues

Modifié par guardian of hades, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:38 .

[Yrkoon]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...


On the other hand it IS a really weird coincidence.

Eh.... I'm really not seeing it, beyond  the whole "the names are the same" thing.

 There's actually some huge, glaring differences between the two.  Enough to end the discussion for even the most creative  debaters.    For example, On page 827 of his "manifesto",   The Norweigan Anders claims to be a member of the Knights Templar.

So... the Norwegian Anders is a TEMPLAR, while the DA2 Anders is... a mage.   It doesn't get a whole lot more non-coincidently  opposite than that.   They're so different that they wouldn't have gotten along had they met.

And we shouldn't be talking about this.   Politics + gaming forums =  <gag><vomit>

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:40 .

[Sinaxi]

@Jabba
I conceded by saying it was a POSSIBILITY he was inspired by DA2 Anders, not that they are in any way comparable which is what I said in my first post that I was quoted on. And I don't even really agree with the illusion that he was in any way inspired by him because he has been planning it for 9 years.

My point was that it is stupid to even speculate about it because the only reason people are being led to the whole "Anders from DA2 as inspiration" thing is because they are drawing conclusions based on the guy's name and looks, which leads to them desperately trying to compare the two people in any way possible, then they are jumping to the conclusion of Ander's character inspiring him solely based on this stupid coincidence of his name & owning the game.

Sooo, people speculating about it at all is moronic because like I said, the situations are extremely different and they are in no way comparable - despite the fact that people are trying to find ways to make them comparable. That was my point.

[KalDurenik]

Games dont do anything. He is crazy... and crazy people do crazy things. The media just like to connect things to bring more drama into stuff.

[Marionetten]

I doubt he saw any of himself in Anders. If anything, he would have been inclined to side with the Templars as he viewed himself as a Justiciar Knight.

[Melca36]

If you read the news...he's been planning this since 2009.