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[Costin_Razvan]

Not so much fun to make a terrorist character now is it Bioware?

He is like the Anders in DA2: Illogical, unreasonable, idiotic and very much prepared to throw his life away for a stupid "cause".

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:25 .

[TotoroTori]

I don't know why I came in here all I was going to do was see about a good way to get gog.com NWN1 good camera hack and how to use the hak packs but I saw this and me and my mind had to come here and see what people were saying.

I know there are smarter people then me in here but lemme start by saying one is a fictional character who knows that 'JUSTICE' will be done to him for his crime against the chantry, for wanting a chance for his people to fight; while the other see's himself as a warrior of God murdering 21 people in the name of God when its just plain out hate.You guys can compare all you want but that is not important what is important is that your in pray for the families that have been damaged by this man a man who see's himself as a templar and wants to cleanse this world (sounds more like Osama to me), what if his name was Tori, Moses, Loghain, Gandu, Jin, Clinton would yall be comparing then. The name is surprising but I highly doubt Bioware tells the future.

Also I would love to draw a circle right now.

[Costin_Razvan]

I know there are smarter people then me in here but lemme start by saying one is a fictional character who knows that 'JUSTICE' will be done to him for his crime against the chantry, for wanting a chance for his people to fight; while the other see's himself as a warrior of God murdering 21 people in the name of God when its just plain out hate

Actually both have the same viewpoint on what will happen to them. Anders wanted to become a martyr by dying and Anders IRL wanted to go to jail and get all the media attention on his manifesto. Him killing 90 people ( not 21 ) was not done out hatred for those particular people, it was so he could go to jail.

Similarities abundant. I do love idiots like him....sigh..

To be completely honest I find it quite disturbing how many people are willing to defend terrorist like characters in videos games ( Anders DA2, Iorveth Witcher 2 and Yaevinn Witcher 1 ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:39 .

[TotoroTori]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I know there are smarter people then me in here but lemme start by saying one is a fictional character who knows that 'JUSTICE' will be done to him for his crime against the chantry, for wanting a chance for his people to fight; while the other see's himself as a warrior of God murdering 21 people in the name of God when its just plain out hate

Actually both have the same viewpoint on what will happen to them. Anders wanted to become a martyr by dying and Anders IRL wanted to go to jail and get all the media attention on his manifesto. Him killing 90 people ( not 21 ) was not done out hatred for those particular people, it was so he could go to jail...I sure love idiots.

Similarities abundant.

Okay sorry 90 not 21, its still a murder of hate.
I can make a list of people who wanted fame for crime, for example the crimanal Bronson, media attention is what most killers want. Heck I will confess I even want media attention, the man was insane, I mean example Chicago, it is shown that people will murder for attention, in Scream 2 one of the killers tells that he kills for the media attention. After all what other quicker way is there to get attention?

Also if Anders wanted to be a maytr so badly why didn't he kill himself like most killers do? He wanted to be seen as the villian (but I am not debating)

[Aeowyn]

How about we don't compare this idiot to a fictional character? Bombing a government building and then brutally slaughtering 93 young people because they belonged to a party he despised is an act that he decided to do on his own.
Also @ OP, I'm interested to know where you read this. Or did you just read that poorly written article in the Post Chronicle?

[Costin_Razvan]

Aeowyn wrote...

How about we don't compare this idiot to a fictional character? Bombing a government building and then brutally slaughtering 93 young people because they belonged to a party he despised is an act that he decided to do on his own.
Also @ OP, I'm interested to know where you read this. Or did you just read that poorly written article in the Post Chronicle?

Because Anders in game is also an idiot who decided to blow up the Chantry to start a religious war. That is because in his mind he thought there was no other solution to the Circle/Chantry problems.

This Norwegian guy decided to go kill 90 people because he thought there was no other solutions to the problems ( from his perspective ) of modern day society.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:00 .

[andraip]

I played DAO, DAO:A and DA2 too. It's so hard to hold myself back...

ARGHHH
*going on RAMPAGE*

Really, I wonder why we aren't in a state of anarchy jet, so many millions of people played games were there kill 0s and 1s. It's astonishing that there aren't millions of mentally ill mass murderers out there.

[Aeowyn]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

How about we don't compare this idiot to a fictional character? Bombing a government building and then brutally slaughtering 93 young people because they belonged to a party he despised is an act that he decided to do on his own.
Also @ OP, I'm interested to know where you read this. Or did you just read that poorly written article in the Post Chronicle?

Because Anders in game is also an idiot who decided to blow up the Chantry to start a religious war. That is because in his mind he thought there was no other solution to the Circle/Chantry problems.

This Norwegian guy decided to go kill 90 people because he thought there was no other solutions to the problems ( from his perspective ) of modern day society.

My point was Costin, that maybe we should pay some respect to the dead and their families, instead of cheapening the act by comparing it to a video game......

[Babli]

Completely off-topic, but...

"Bioware's "Dragon Age 2" for the Xbox 360, PS3, and PC is one of the most innovative RPG ever created."

I lol´d.

[bEVEsthda]

I think there are three things I'd like to say in this thread:

1: Videogaming is a very widespread activity today. Basically everyone has done it or do it. So whenever there is some spectacular crime, - of course the perpetrator has played some videogame! But if we look at the group of people to whom video gaming is more important, like everything from one of their major hobbies or cultural consumption to outright obsession, I'm pretty sure that group of 'gamers' is extremely underrepresented in crime- and violence statistics. (at least if we're not counting fraud and IP-theft)

2: Now, internet culture OTOH: To do something like this, you have to be a rather evolved nutcase and have thoroughly desensitized empathy. This guy decides he is a norwegian 'nationalist' and that he hates muslims, so he goes out and shoots about hundred norwegian teenagers. Where could this evolve? Where do you pick up this kind of rationality? - Internet forums! And there is also where you pick up the hate and lack of respect for others. I'm pretty convinced internet hate-culture had a big part in shaping this Anders.

3: This horrific act will only cost him, at the most, 21 years in prison. - That's outright disgustingly OBSCENE!! He'll be out by 53. Norway has disgusting legislation.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:31 .

[KenKenpachi]

But...but I pick up pots, and break them. Plus I take money when I see it laying around on the ground, and I wear green and I have a sword...and I play Zelda, and Link has two letters that are in my name! And My god now that I try to speak all I can do is yell!!! NOOOOOOOOOO! I-I-IiIi I must find....sword of time........stop GANON! AGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Really OP thats just ****ing stupid, sad, and cheap. If the man was guided by anything it was his hatred and National Socialist Ideals. Why ****sm is even tolerated or allowed to show its face publically is beyond me...

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:40 .

[Yrkoon]

And in other news, there's a real-life woman out there named Isabela. And she acts just like the one in DA2.

[Borghal]

Why does everyone seem to feel that others are implying the game is to blame? All the talk about censorship ensuing and similar BS... makes me sick. The way I see it, it really is a freaky interesting coincidence, hardly anything more. And to those of you that claim such similarities mean nothing because they are common - there's a certain limit of how many similarities and events are normal, upon reaching that limit it starts to get... weird. For me, this is beyond the limit:
1. Name, obviously
2. Looks, kind of
3. Motive (doing it for the good of the others, because someone must, even though it is bad)
4. Blowing up 'governement' buildings and killing innocents
5. Apparently Breivik wasn't all that sane (and Anders definitely wasn't), although there is no evidence to back this up
6. DA2 being one of the only two games Breivik talked about and highly praised prior to his act.

You just don't see that many outstanding (as in highly noticeable) real-life parallels to video games, do you?

I DO NOT think the game had any effect on him. It would be rather sad if this turned into another anti-game romp (same goes for the "zealous christian" motive, too). However, if he IS mentally ill and such a roleplayer as they make him out to be, DA2 could very well have been the last straw that made him decide to do it (after all, he said he's been plannign it for nearly a decade... seems to me he wasn't entirely convinced about it). We'll never know.

[xkg]

The amount of absurd in this thread is astonishing.
I am curious how many more things you guys can make up to find some more "similarities".

Wake up. There is nothing like that in this case.
If his name wasn't Anders he would do that anyway. Same goes for playing DA2.
And blowing goverment buildings ? Don't know where you guys live but here in my country church buildings aren't considered to be "goverment buildings".

But keep looking for more conspiracy theories to make even bigger fools of yourselves.

Modifié par xkg, 24 juillet 2011 - 01:51 .

[Borghal]

Norway has disgusting legislation.

You're pretty much missing the point. The fact that their highest penalty is 21 years says a lot about the level of their society. Up till now, there was no real need for harsher measures, what with Norway having one of the lowest crime rates worldwide...

[Borghal]

Wake up. There is nothing like that in this case.
If his name wasn't Anders he would do that anyway. Same goes for playing DA2.
And blowing goverment buildings ? Don't know where you guys live but here in my country church buildings aren't considered to be "goverment buildings".

Well, they don't run things nowadays, do they? In DA2, as much as in medieval times, they did. And that's what governements do. Should I have said "official buildings"? Would that satisfy you? What you're doing is just playing with words...

If you just want to dismiss those similarities, then by all means go ahead. But right know, there are only two well-known people on earth sharing those characteristics, one of them fictional. Thats as close as similarities can go, don't you think? Where's the "conspiring" in that? It's just interesting, that's all.

[Druss99]

What exactly is the point of this thread? It can't possibly be as stupid as I think it is.

[aftohsix]

 How many people died in these attacks?  This is in terrible taste.  Grow the F up OP.

[xkg]

Borghal wrote...

Wake up. There is nothing like that in this case.
If his name wasn't Anders he would do that anyway. Same goes for playing DA2.
And blowing goverment buildings ? Don't know where you guys live but here in my country church buildings aren't considered to be "goverment buildings".

Well, they don't run things nowadays, do they? In DA2, as much as in medieval times, they did. And that's what governements do. Should I have said "official buildings"? Would that satisfy you? What you're doing is just playing with words...

If you just want to dismiss those similarities, then by all means go ahead. But right know, there are only two well-known people on earth sharing those characteristics, one of them fictional. Thats as close as similarities can go, don't you think? Where's the "conspiring" in that? It's just interesting, that's all.

No that wouldn't satisfy me. You argument is still lame. One guy is blowing goverment building the other one is blowing church building. Two completly different institutions in our RL world and in DA world http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Chantry (point me to something that says about it being "goverment")

And if you are so much interested in motives of the killer and what he done then I advise you to visit appropriate specialist and ask for some mental help, really.

[Borghal]

I feel there is no point in continuing further in this, but hey, this is the internet, so:
The Chantry resembles a governement in that they have the highest authority (at least visible to the common man) - maybe not everywhere, but it was defintiely so in Kirkwall.

Also, "interesting" in no way means that I find what he did appealing or justifiable, as you seem to think I do. It simply means that such things do not happen on a daily basis and as such I consider it noteworthy (just so you don't misinterpret me again, the likeness between those two, NOT the real life mass murders, which, sadly, happen quite a lot). But that's jsut me, if you see this and think "Who cares?"... then why even bother posting here. And as far as the attitude/motive thing, I was just paraphrasing news articles.

Modifié par Borghal, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:22 .

[Gterror]

In other words "World is a ****ed up place, huh?"

Modifié par Gterror, 24 juillet 2011 - 03:05 .

[Alex the Droog]

guardian of hades wrote...

Alex the Droog wrote...

'His hatred was aimed mostly at Muslims. '

wtf???

http://blog.foreignp...slo_killer_want

Filled with hateful rantings against Muslims -- whom the author claims
are on a trajectory to take over Europe and erase its culture patrimony
-- the writing bears a great resemblence to online comments attributed
to Anders Breivik, 32, the confessed architect of a massacre that has so far claimed nearly 100 lives.

Basically he thought Muslims were a cause for a lot of the "pushed" multiculturalism and that went against his political agenda.  The guy had issues

Ha, sorry I thought you were saying I hated muslims as you quoted the OP in a context he was saying to me

[Turnip Root]

It's too bad, if it weren't for this whole killing thing he sounds like he'd be a really cool guy to have a bromance with.