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[ravagu3r]

Hi,
I want to start an evil cleric character who purges his enemies and buffs his allies, should I stay as a pure cleric or take one of the prestiges (war priest maybe) ?!

Also, how do you choose a domain, I dont see a choice being given anywhere and when you start you have already have 2, heal and fire... ?

Thanks

[kamal_]

You normally choose domains at character creation.

[Haplose]

Make sure you choose "Customize" at charcter creation (skill packages?) though.

War Priest dilutes the spellcasting prowess of clerics and offers very little in return. Doomguide is somewhat better, if you want to focus on fighting Undead. Sacred Fist is even better - provided that you want to fight with your bare fists. But Stormlord is the actual powerhouse PrC here. Normaly this PrC would be restricted to all, except the evil followers of Talos. In NWN2 however, all divine casters can become Stormlords. Of course you'll probably use a Spear if you become a StormLord, but it's a very powerfull PrC nonetheless.

Of course going pure is fine as well. Cleric is a very powerfull class on it's own.

[Arkalezth]

Just a note: Warpriest isn't great indeed, but a single level may be useful sometimes. It gets you martial weapon and tower shield proficiencies, and a permanent aura that buffs nearby companions.

[I_Raps]

Haplose wrote...

Of course you'll probably use a Spear if you become a StormLord, but it's a very powerfull PrC nonetheless.

Beware the axe-throwing halfling StormLords of Waterdeepmentia. 

[Axe_Edge]

 Check out nwn2db.com , search and read about several cleric builds.  There are plenty of good tips in the coments section for many builds.  Rank builds by votes, too.

Leveling a "Stormlord" in the OC and expansions is like pushing a "Win!" button  

Modifié par Axe_Edge, 25 juillet 2011 - 04:35 .

[Haplose]

I_Raps wrote...

Haplose wrote...

Of course you'll probably use a Spear if you become a StormLord, but it's a very powerfull PrC nonetheless.

Beware the axe-throwing halfling StormLords of Waterdeepmentia. 

Yeah, throwing axes and even shurikens qualify as Stormlord weapons too, but these are pretty specific builds that use them. Their focus is usually on the spellcasting and defensive side, with some extra tricks. Not something I would advise to a building newbie.

[nicethugbert]

Pure cleric does great, and so does Storm Lord. War Priest is counter productive, i.e., it sucks. I have a few simple but highly effective demonstration builds you can easily tweak. http://nwn2db.com/builds.php?author=9

Also, Kaedrin's class pack is awesome, loaded with bug fixes and new content.

[The Fred]

Warpriest gives you a high Base Attack Bonus progression, making you much better at combat, but only 1/2 spellcasting progression (so taking 10 levels of Warpriest is like taking 5 levels of Cleric as far as your spells go). To me, that actually sounds pretty cool (depending on what you want to build), but the issue is that Clerics already ahve teh Divine Power spell which makes them into highly effective melee fighters anyway. It's only temporary, but Clerics who want to go toe-to-toe with Fighter-types usually just take the Extend Spell feat and use Divine Power a lot, along with other spells for defensive bonuses and so forth.

A Cleric who uses buffs like that can be more effective than one who takes Warpriest levels, but also gets better spells. Stormlord is a better PrC because it offers a bunch of weapon enhancements and suchlike as well, but you are stuck with using a spear.

[Shallina]

Warpriest is a powerhouse actually.... It's a dual classed cleric/warior, hight BaB, hight HP, and all the warior profiency. take the practiced spell caster feat, and you 'll have almost the same casting ablity as a cleric but with fighter BaB and HP.

[Arkalezth]

The problem is the delayed progression. It's not THAT bad, but higher level spells are usually better than a couple of points of BAB. On the other hand, if you hate having to recast short duration buffs, WP is a decent option. It won't be the most uber build in the universe, but it may be less tedious to play sometimes.

This is a cleric thread, but it's worth noting that WP is better for other divine classes without access to Divine Power, such as druid or spirit shaman.

[I_Raps]

Arkalezth wrote...

... but it may be less tedious to play sometimes.

These are the most cogent words ever written about "builds."  Huzzah to Arkalezth!  Tediousness really needs to be a consideration when evaluating any build.  IMHO, of course.

Modifié par I_Raps, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:12 .

[Arkalezth]

It's definitely a consideration for me when I decide what to play or what I find fun. Simple as that. I didn't say it was a better build, as you can see if you read the rest of the post.

A game is usually played for fun. IMHO, of course. And thanks for the huzzah.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:53 .

[nicethugbert]

10 cleric levels gives you 7 BAB and 10 spell casting levels. 10 WP priest gives you 10 BAB and 5 spell casting levels. It's not even a 1 to 1 trade off. You can take practiced caster to make the trade off better. But, you lose 3 epic spell slots regardless. And, you have a spell that gives you even more BAB without any spell level or epic spell slot loss.

Martial Weapon Proficiency can be had from War Domain. If you are using Kaedrin's class Pack(and why wouldn't you?) then you need War Domain to get Holy Warrior(and why wouldn't you?) So, there is no advantage there for WP.

Stormlord gives you +3 enhancement that stacks, 1d8 electrical, 1d8 sonic, 2d8 electrical on crit, and Extended Storm Avatar. +3 enhancement is like +6 str but better because it cuts through DR. You lose the 3 epic spell slots that you could have used for +3 str, but gain the equivalent of +6 str with extra DR cutting power.

[Arkalezth]

I know that, of course WP is worse than Cleric or, obviously, Stormlord. But choosing WP doesn't mean that you can't complete the game either. That's my point.

But ok, let's put it clear: OP, Warpriest is no good for Clerics.