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[Gamejudge]

I'm not a fan of DA2. Then again, I'm still miffed about the midnight release DRM crap.

Just play the Tales games. Much more content, hours and hours of enjoyment. I especially love Vesperia. But I hope you enjoy whatever you decide to do.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Glaumr wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

If you think you're being original and/or constructive by suggesting that anyone who enjoys DA2 is somehow less intelligent than those who didn't enjoy it, you aren't.

It will be treated the same as insulting another user. I know some people have difficulty imagining a world where everyone doesn't share the same opinions as themselves, but perhaps you should try.

And no mention whatsoever in regards to the DA2 fans who behave in the same manner. Sure is favouritism in here.

Wait, how often does a DA2 fan take a jab at the maturity or intelligence of people who prefer DA:O?  They seem to be spending most of their time in the absurd position of having to justify enjoyment of a video game.  Seems to me Bioware has been biting its tongue for months while people savage their product and customers on their own forums.  Attacking the DA2 fan for any number of things has been pretty standard fare since before its release.  My observation is that most of the DA2 counterattacks have been just that: counterattacks.

Bioware is a hairsbreadth from losing me as a customer, but they have been scrupulously even-handed in administrating the forums (on most topics, anyway), even as people attack them and their fans in their own house.

[FieryDove]

Land55 wrote...

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I agree  with this.


Come on people, its not the end of the world if you don't like the game. And for the people who like the game great.

Hug therapy for all.

[Yrkoon]

Beerfish wrote...


Sheer and utter nonsense.  Total baloney.  There are some big weaknesses in the game but companions and characters, your relation to them, how they deal with you is not one of them.    Your totally out to lunch.  Such tripe.

Uh... yes, it is.  And telling someone that they're "out to lunch" just because they see what thousands of other unhappy purchasers of this rushed cash-grab see... is not anything resembling an intelligent counter, nor is it conducive to good discussion.

Let me recap:   overall, Companions  in DA2 are poorly written and their  rare, time-scrpted dialogues with Hawke are nothing special in the slightest.  They feel forced, un-natural and unorganic

Bioware can do better.  They HAVE done better.    Simply  denying this  doesn't help matters

Modifié par Yrkoon, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:05 .

[Deganis76]

Alicia Keys wrote...

Well I bought the signature edition the day it came out but haven't gotten to play it yet cuz I save my most favorite or intereting games last with Dragon Age 2 being the last one. I have Darksiders to complete which I'm playing now and then I have Cursed Mountain, The Calling, Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Vesperia, Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World, Alice Madness Returns, Alan Wake, and Dead Space 2. So it won't be for a while before I play Dragon Age 2. I was hoping this game would be better than the original! I love bioware games with KOTOR being my favorite even though it's really old. I liked Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 1 but was dissappointed in them a lil cuz I thought the story and character interaction would be more epic. But I did like them. I still haven't played Mass Effect 2 cuz that's on the last of the list even though I didn't mention it before because i'm not going to play it until Mass Effect 3 comes out then I will play the whole trilogy. Anyways Dragon Age 2 ain't that bad is it? Ign gave it a 8.5 out of 10. What makes you fans dislike this game so much? Are the characters better in part 2 or is Origins better in that area? Also I will get the Legacy DLC too when it comes out in 2 days and all future DLC. Also will there be an expansion pack for Dragon Age 2 like there was for Origins? Also what would you rate all 3 dragon age games from best to worst (Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age Awakenings, and Dragon Age 2)

Sorry for the long post and thanks and god bless

Read the critics.  Generally favorable reviews, but not overwhelmingly favorable.  A good, but flawed game.  In my mind, not overall as good as DA:O, but certainly decent.

[Realmzmaster]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If you are intelectual person, who grinds teeths over illogical things (or things that dont make sense), dont fancy plot holes, loves clever and funny non-combat parts of a game and even fancy some variety ... well then I have very bad news for you regarding quality of Dragon Age 2

Very poor word choice. Intellectual can be a noun or adjective as defined by Webster. If used as a noun one of the definitions mean a person of superior intellect. If used as a adjective it can mean possessing or showing intellect or mental capacity.

Most of the gamers here are very intelligent. There are scientists, programmers etc on this site. I do not believe you meant to use the word intellectual in your post. If English is your second or even your first language you must be careful and read what you post before you hit submit.

I could easily say that anyone here who does not play wargames (Total War series,  HPS simulations, Matrix games)  and unable to quote from memory the speficiations of a Grant, Sherman, Panther and Tiger tank is not an intellectual. That would be wrong because many gamers do not have my tastes, interests or care about those games and tank facts.
Another example My daughter, wife and I play Scrabble. My wife and daughter's vocabulary exceed mine, but I can keep pace because of my strategic use of the board and covering those triple word and double word or letter spaces with letters that yield a high score. Now who is the intellectual. All of us can be, in different ways.

My son loves classical music and can tell you the name of the work, who wrote it and orchestra that performed it. I cannot. Give me muisc from the 70's and 80's and it is the other way around. Are we intellectuals or distrubed people?

[Silverfox4]

I gave DAO somewhere around a 9.
I gave DA2 somewhere around a 7 I think. I put it on the review thread a long time ago and cant remember.

One word to sum up DA2 for me was "Disappointing".

DA2 had its merits and fun parts but i prefer the darker setting in DAO. The lack of companion customization, copy paste maps, stuck in a city, skeletor darkspawn, fetch quests as all filler, waves, everything already mentioned in every thread here...put it down. Most devs or people say its because I am a fan of DAO so much, but its not. I expected Biowares usual quality and got EA's fast product.

Now again I still love the universe and clearly didn't hate DA2. I still was able to finish it 2 times. It doesnt deserve all the flames it gets, but when players expect DA2 to be a top tier game from a top tier company, then yes the bad voices always drown out the good. I am looking forward to DA3, I wont be buying and DLC for DA2 though.

[Sidney]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

I would never suggest such a thing ... nor did I wanted to offend anyone ... but for my long observation of DA2 love / hate discussion I found out, that COMBAT oriented players prefer DA2 a lot on the other hand people who dont prefer combat, but are more about the story and the plot, the lore and how it works in game system ... meaning non-combat ie. intelectual (maybe i used wrong word, for that im sorry - english is not my first nor second language) just cant miss all the cuts done to plot, lore and logic itlself in the name of combat and game system ...

so Intelectual != Intelligent to be clear =)

In addition ot being offensive you are wrong.

DA2 doesn't have near the volume of combat as DAO. It strips out a lot of the long repetitive grinding dungeons (see the Deep Roads) from DAO in favor of much shorter dungeons. DAO is a grindy combat lovers dream. Heck, most of the whining is about "too fast", "no combat cam", "jumpy moves", "no weight to the weapons"  - all stuff related to combat. 

[Orion34]

JohnEpler wrote...

You know, when I say 'hey guys, let's avoid posts where we insult people for enjoying DA2', I really do mean it.

Being 'subtle' about it still counts.

No harm intended if you're referring to my reply. Just couldn't resist a nerdy,occult reference/joke after seeing your post and your profile picture. 

As for DA2, has its hang ups,but still enjoyed it for the most part. Definitely needed a qunari companion though.

[ebevan91]

It's not a bad game compared to non Bioware games, but as a Bioware game, it's not that great. I still enjoyed it though.

[dheer]

Sidney wrote...
DA2 doesn't have near the volume of combat as DAO. It strips out a lot of the long repetitive grinding dungeons (see the Deep Roads) from DAO in favor of much shorter dungeons. DAO is a grindy combat lovers dream. Heck, most of the whining is about "too fast", "no combat cam", "jumpy moves", "no weight to the weapons"  - all stuff related to combat. 

Indeed. As a fan of long dungeon runs, it was great. Not Icewind Dale type amazing dungeons, but still great.

Most of my complaints about combat in DA2 were about the lack of an isometric / tactical camera, over the top animations, gimicky combos (A neat idea they they shouldn't get rid of. Just need more work.) and exploding corpses from a dagger poke. Also, I don't consider it whining, thank you very much.

[Morroian]

Yrkoon wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Sheer and utter nonsense.  Total baloney.  There are some big weaknesses in the game but companions and characters, your relation to them, how they deal with you is not one of them.    Your totally out to lunch.  Such tripe.

Uh... yes, it is.  And telling someone that they're "out to lunch" just because they see what thousands of other unhappy purchasers of this rushed cash-grab see... is not anything resembling an intelligent counter, nor is it conducive to good discussion.

But Archyys insulting those who like Da2 is I suppose.

Yrkoon wrote...

Let me recap:   overall, Companions  in DA2 are poorly written and their  rare, time-scrpted dialogues with Hawke are nothing special in the slightest.  They feel forced, un-natural and unorganic

Bioware can do better.  They HAVE done better.    Simply  denying this  doesn't help matters

I deny it in terms of the writing. The writing is fine, the actual dialogue is fine, the banter is fine and the changes in your companions is fine. What need to be improved is that the interactions need to be freed up and not be so restrictive. 

[NedPepper]

Here's the deal. DA 2 is perhaps not up to par for Bioware, but compared to 98% of of games, particularly RPGs, it's a 8 or 9. I think the biggest problem is that people compare DA2 to other Bioware games in their disappointment, but other than The Witcher, I've never heard anyone claim that there's a better RPG on the market. Because there isn't. Fall Out? Enjoyable, but DA 2 blows it out of the water. People SAY the new Elder Scrolls will be better, but we don't know that for sure. And Oblivion, the last Elder Scrolls game, is overrated, repetitive and boring.

So, really, DA 2 is a great game compared to most others. It just falls short of what the percieved greatness that Bioware usually produces. For some, that's DA:O or Baldur's Gate or KOTOR. It's certainly worth playing if you like dark fantasy and RPGs.

[DarkDragon777]

Fallout is infinitely better than DA2.

[NedPepper]

Fallout 3, maybe. New Vegas...not so much

[Travie]

nedpepper wrote...

Fallout 3, maybe. New Vegas...not so much

Kidding...?

[Sinaxi]

People seriously just **** too much. Fallout and games like Oblivion/Skyrim aren't bad but they are different, despite being labeled in the same category. The thing about Bioware games that makes me like them a lot more than usual Bethesda RPG's is the companions, and the ability to interact with them. I'm not just some lone-wolf running around in a huge world. That, and on the subject of Fallout 3, the main storyline to Fallout 3 was sort of...meh. The main highlight of it was pretty much listening to Liam Neeson's voice, that was totally worth it. But those games aren't exactly "focused" like Bioware games, they are much more free-form do you what you want. And that's cool too, I have no issues with Bioware's games having a core storyline that is to be followed.

That's why pretty much my only gripe about DA2 is the lack of character interaction, because I felt DA:O set such a higher standard for that than DA2 and seemed to care about it a bit more, whereas in DA2 I talk to these people like only 2-3 times per act, so it sort of takes away a lot from the whole companion thing. Other than that, I don't constantly cry about which game was better or not. There were things I really loved about both, and I'm apparently in the minority when I say I liked DA2's storyline and the direction I hope that they are taking it with the next game. It might not have been perfect, but at the core I still liked it. If that makes me "unintelligent" according to some ridiculously heated critics about every single aspect of the game then uh, that's cool with me.

[elearon1]

JohnEpler wrote...

You know, when I say 'hey guys, let's avoid posts where we insult people for enjoying DA2', I really do mean it.

Being 'subtle' about it still counts.

I think my new response to these threads shall be as such: 

[Persephone]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If you are intelectual person, who grinds teeths over illogical things (or things that dont make sense), dont fancy plot holes, loves clever and funny non-combat parts of a game and even fancy some variety ... well then I have very bad news for you regarding quality of Dragon Age 2

Never mind the quality of DAO then.

[Keladis]

Valus wrote...

http://www.escapistm...8-Dragon-Age-II

My favorite critical review of the game. Sums up most of the good and bad things. Misses general franchise issues but fairly entertaining.

I love that review thanks for the link.

[HenchxNarf]

I think people like to complain too much. DA2 may not be as good as DA:O but it's sure in hell better than 99% of other RPGs that are available (multi-plat). It had its faults, but all in all it was a balanced game. People don't take into consideration that Bioware listened to fans and changed stuff around to make it more user friendly to those who don't usually play RPGs on console.

I don't know. I love the game, and I've been playing it soooo much.

[LoliLiana]

I've got a serious bone about all the complaints. Its like negativity just comes so much easier then something positive. I didn't see this as a weaker entry merely because it wasn't one some epic scale to Origins. The first entry was epic in its narrative approach. While II took on a very different narrative approach.

I really came to appreciate the classic tale of a nobody rising up to be a hero to his/her city. To me II was not bad, and I loved it very much. Its like a bridging piece, giving us some breathing room while we await what the great "world" epic tale will be. This was like a breath and taking a seat back while unfolding this little story about a character who will take on an important role with the Hero of Ferelden in the near future.

So Bioware, I give you my full support behind DA2. I enjoyed it for its uniqueness that took it apart from Origins.

[Gotholhorakh]

Alicia Keys wrote...

Well I bought the signature edition the day it came out but haven't gotten to play it yet cuz I save my most favorite or intereting games last with Dragon Age 2 being the last one. I have Darksiders to complete which I'm playing now and then I have Cursed Mountain, The Calling, Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Vesperia, Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World, Alice Madness Returns, Alan Wake, and Dead Space 2. So it won't be for a while before I play Dragon Age 2. I was hoping this game would be better than the original! I love bioware games with KOTOR being my favorite even though it's really old. I liked Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 1 but was dissappointed in them a lil cuz I thought the story and character interaction would be more epic. But I did like them. I still haven't played Mass Effect 2 cuz that's on the last of the list even though I didn't mention it before because i'm not going to play it until Mass Effect 3 comes out then I will play the whole trilogy. Anyways Dragon Age 2 ain't that bad is it? Ign gave it a 8.5 out of 10. What makes you fans dislike this game so much? Are the characters better in part 2 or is Origins better in that area? Also I will get the Legacy DLC too when it comes out in 2 days and all future DLC. Also will there be an expansion pack for Dragon Age 2 like there was for Origins? Also what would you rate all 3 dragon age games from best to worst (Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age Awakenings, and Dragon Age 2)

Sorry for the long post and thanks and god bless

You'll have to make up your own mind, really, whatever the rest of us think - in some ways you will be in a better position to enjoy it than most, as you will go into it with your expectations well and truly managed.

As I've said before, if I'd gone into this game set up by other people's discontent for some sort of 3/10 experience rather than set up by Origins for a 7+/10, I might well have enjoyed it as a pleasant surprise.

Ultimately now you've already spent your cash, you might as well try and enjoy it as best you can.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If you are intelectual person, who grinds teeths over illogical things (or things that dont make sense), dont fancy plot holes, loves clever and funny non-combat parts of a game and even fancy some variety ... well then I have very bad news for you regarding quality of Dragon Age 2

I see the irony here. If you want to survive a fight you must be intelligent. Especially those in real life, 1v1's. If you're not, then you're literally screwed. So why so self-named "intelligent" people call those who enjoy other things are stupid (not directly but still), etc... ? No offense as you didnt intend one , but you belong to the second group of people mentioned in my post. Can you imagine playing a game full of war story without fighting the enemy? (just an example)Story is also very important to me, but games are supposed to entertain peoiple and not to be taken soo seriously by bunch of bored people.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:23 .