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[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

True, they should regroup to arcturus station (Or C-base if you saved it). Most important of course be securing the larger colonies (Elysium, Terra Nova) and the resource rich planets.

None of that is very practical either. The Collector base can't sustain our entire species. You may be able to protect the larger colonies and a few strategic industrial outposts, but you'll lose everything else.

The loss of Earth is going to crash the Alliance economy and along with it the Alliance military. You'll have to cut back, which will mean shrinking your forces, giving up your technological advantages, and giving up territory. That will further shrink the Alliance economy and trigger more cut backs until you reach equiliberium. At that point humanity will be much smaller and will have all of its forces busy guarding its own territory. It will not have the population to expand, it will not be exporting as much, and will be too small an economy to be worth the other races' consideration. You could easily wind up paying more for alien goods.

This is why yours and Zulu's dream of a prosperous humanity without Earth is a pipe dream.

Let me ask you a question, what in you know who' s name makes you so sure that the Alliance is doomed without earth, the planet is pretty much exhaused and it end's up being a sinkhole for profits that could be used by the Alliance.

[Arijharn]

What Saphra said.

Earth really is the centre of the universe when it comes down to Humanity. The Colonies lack the necessary resources to be fully self sufficient. I'm still waiting for Fixers to answer my hypothetical though.

[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Let me ask you a question, what in you know who' s name makes you so sure that the Alliance is doomed without earth, the planet is pretty much exhaused and it end's up being a sinkhole for profits that could be used by the Alliance.

IT IS NOT A SINK-HOLE!

It is your primary funder, for god's sake. Are you out of your damn mind? Both of you must be. Either you're delusional or you're ignorant. Which is it?

And, were does earth generate all this money from?

A fully developed and massively populated world is not a money-sink, it is an asset. It has tons of factories and institutions of higher learning to produce goods, refine materials, and generate new technologies. It has a huge economy with a growing wealthy population eager to buy up anything you produce in the colonies. That economy as well attracts attention from alien civilizations that wish to do commerce with it.

Earth is still dealing with it's own parasites, namely most third world countries, what can they fund to the Alliance?

The economy in the colonies is tiny because the the colonies are tiny. A tiny economy cannot support a vast military like the Systems Alliance.

The Alliance no longer exists because earth want's it or because they support them, but because it want's to exist by themselfs.

Furthermore, Earth is the engine of your colonization efforts in the first place. It is where all of your new colonists and colonies come from. Earth-based corporations fund the construction of new colonies and then supply the colonists themselves. Earth-based corporations prospect new worlds and mine them.

When does profits from those companies don't get any further then earth, it is a money sink, the Alliance doesn't profit from it.

I just have to recall Zulu's point:
Who gives money to the Geth?

Like I said, what you and Zulu are imagining is a pipe-dream. Zulu's a smart guy and he's has a lot of well-reasoned theories, but this is not one of them.

I don't have to repeat Zulu all over again, do I

[Fixers0]

Arijharn wrote...

What Saphra said.

Earth really is the centre of the universe when it comes down to Humanity. The Colonies lack the necessary resources to be fully self sufficient. I'm still waiting for Fixers to answer my hypothetical though.

And what Does earth provide to all those Colonies, I'm pretty sure earth is exausted of any natural resources by that time?

[nhsk]

No please don't, because you would just be wasting your time and ours as no one agrees with you.

[nhsk]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I just ****ing told you. You must be trolling me.

Yes, now stop feeding it.

Modifié par nhsk, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:55 .

[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And what Does earth provide to all those Colonies, I'm pretty sure earth is exausted of any natural resources by that time?

I just ****ing told you. You must be trolling me.

No, you didn't

Earth provides you colonists, money (which you need to maintain and expand your military), a market for your exports, and it produces various goods.

Automated systems, and mechs will be used as main labor tool., earth is infrastructure is pretty much crumbeld at the start of the Reaper attack, so there is nothing there besides 99% our population.  

The Alliances does not exist independent of Earth. It is a coalition that includes the biggest nations of Earth. It is exists to protect human assets as humanity expands into the galaxy.

Alliance is indpendant, check codex

[InfoGuy101]

Just report him already jeezzzzz...............

[dahoughtonuk]

Still it shows the alliances bluff is working. The Alliance is running a bluff holding no cards, and succeeding. At best the Allaince's power will be drastically weakened, but you'll cripple humanity. New colonies do not have a population of humans!

It's not like 16th century where you could find a primitive population of humans off the charts and use your fleet to cow them into submission. You have to take all the colony with you.

[Arijharn]

Fixers0 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

What Saphra said.

Earth really is the centre of the universe when it comes down to Humanity. The Colonies lack the necessary resources to be fully self sufficient. I'm still waiting for Fixers to answer my hypothetical though.

And what Does earth provide to all those Colonies, I'm pretty sure earth is exausted of any natural resources by that time?

You mean, besides gods and services that the Colonists can't have because they live practically bare bones? You mean other than successive colonist influxes? Look at Horizon, do you honestly think they can build everything that they need? Like those trucks for one.

Earth is obviously the most populated planet, even if it looses a lot of its infrastructure during the Reaper attack it's still going to have more than what most colony's do. Even the largest human colonies only have about the population of a large city on Earth. You are plain delusional if you think that the Earth does not matter for their continual existence.

You being 'pretty sure' that Earth has exhausted it's natural resources doesn't mean anything if the Codex doesn't even broach the subject, because then you're arguing well... nothing that can be verified anyway. Look at oil, people have been thinking we've been running low for the better part of the past 40 years. We've also colonized the sol system, which means we have access to the Sol systems resources, which should be plainly obvious even to Zulu that it has vast amounts of materials. Lets not forget that Saturn is the Alliance's largest supplier of He3.

[Fixers0]

Arijharn wrote...

You mean, besides gods and services that the Colonists can't have because they live practically bare bones? You mean other than successive colonist influxes? Look at Horizon, do you honestly think they can build everything that they need? Like those trucks for one.

What kind of 'gods' and services has Earth in the names of all the politicians in the world to offer,  Truck,  they could just buyed those at the Citadel summer auction,

Earth is obviously the most populated planet, even if it looses a lot of its infrastructure during the Reaper attack it's still going to have more than what most colony's do. Even the largest human colonies only have about the population of a large city on Earth. You are plain delusional if you think that the Earth does not matter for their continual existence.

Mechs and automated systems, enhance the productivity of factories greatly, you know. 

You being 'pretty sure' that Earth has exhausted it's natural resources doesn't mean anything if the Codex doesn't even broach the subject, because then you're arguing well... nothing that can be verified anyway. Look at oil, people have been thinking we've been running low for the better part of the past 40 years. We've also colonized the sol system, which means we have access to the Sol systems resources, which should be plainly obvious even to Zulu that it has vast amounts of materials. Lets not forget that Saturn is the Alliance's largest supplier of He3.

Material in the solar system? like this:

[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I just ****ing told you. You must be trolling me.

No, you didn't

I've told you twice now in this thread.

 

Fixer0 wrote...

Automated systems, and mechs will be used as main labor tool., earth is infrastructure is pretty much crumbeld at the start of the Reaper attack, so there is nothing there besides 99% our population. 

Mechs and auto-mated systems where an doing what? They aren't free, kid. Robots cost money to build and maintain and you still need to protect them from hostile forces. Industrial facilities already have a high degree of automation so I don't see why this is a factor.

So were does that money come from then?

Where are you going to get the money? Where are you going to get the colonists? Colonists create an economy for goods, robots do not.

Not all economy's need money, look at north korea, or better yet, the Geth.

The infrastructure on Earth will not be wiped out. It may be damaged, but it is spread out across a massive planet. It can also be rebuilt with that massive population.

Judging from what trailers show me, not much will be left, after af few months.


No, third-world nations don't directly fund you but they still create a market for your exports. You aren't the one parked nexted to them so what do you care? I guarantee they are less of a drain on you than the Terminus Systems or colonies are because you don't need to use your military to protect them.

So, exporting products to nations who can't even buy it, you know what bankruptcy is right,

The Alliance is politically indepent from Earth, it is not independent in terms of self-sufficiency or economy and those are what matter.

Sure, it is, why is it otherwis cald a ''political-economical pact''.

[dahoughtonuk]

China and America are in theory independently politically. But look at a loot of your stuff. |Remembe the made in China labels. Political independence does not mean economic independence, as the economic problems happen now and in the last century should show you Fixers0.

[CuseGirl]

jamesp81 wrote...

This thread should be stickied.

I've been preaching this from the rooftops since the Arrival DLC came out. It's frustrating because the writing is on the wall for anyone with a passing familiarity with the codex, which apparently is not a lot of the community.

well most gamers just play the game in front of them, i'll be honest, I could care less about the politics of a fictional universe

[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Not all economy's need money, look at north korea, or better yet, the Geth.

LMAO!

Alright, buddy, that's enough. Time to call it quits. I genuinely thought you were serious up until now. 

Joke's on me.

Funny isn't it.

North korea doesn't need money from an economy, i once saw an interview that North-korea has the most stable economy on earh.

And you got all those wonderfull videos on youtuve were you can see all those soldiers march and tanks drive by. 

[Elvis_Mazur]

I'm more than inclined to see that happening because I'm sick of humans being "special."

That would take them out of the Council since they would no longer be able to contribute to the Citadel and I would be damn glad to see that happening.

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...

North korea doesn't need money from an economy, i once saw an interview that North-korea has the most stable economy on earh.

And you got all those wonderfull videos on youtuve were you can see all those soldiers march and tanks drive by. 

Damn. It's obvious we all got trolled. Well played, sir.

I think I'm done here.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LOL....

Fixer0 is the greatest troll ever.! Congrats. I haven't laughed so hard in a loooong while.

[Dean_the_Young]

Fixers0 wrote...

trolling

Bored, are you?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:28 .

[Fixers0]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

trolling

Bored, are you?

Please don't try to put words into post that i've never written, thanks

I'm just coming up with a logical alternative that doesn't force the player to save an 'acid waste slum'

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Fixers0 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

trolling

Bored, are you?

Please don't try to put words into post that i've never written, thanks

It's a summary of a long post. No need to waste the space to scroll past.

I'm just coming up with a logical alternative that doesn't force the player to save an 'acid waste slum'

Nah, you're trolling. Can't even call you an idiot, except that citing North Korea as a stable economy rather tipped your hand, though the feigned ignorrance about the differences in wealth between resource economies and .production economies was another strong one.

So at worst (best?), maybe you're bad at trolling if that tip off wasn't intentional.