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[didymos1120]

MDT1 wrote...

Because of their assassinations perhaps?

Those aren't publicized as political assassinations, and are made to look like accidents or just simple disappearances.  It's only terrorism if you're actually trying to generate terror as a way of getting your demands met.  Cerberus also doesn't make political demands, or seek attention in general. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 juillet 2011 - 12:50 .

[MDT1]

Fixers0 wrote...

I at least use my brain to come up with more logical alternatives rather then the crap bioware shoves us in the mouth.

With the little flaw that what bioware shoves us is actually more believable because its like humans actually acted throughout history than your "if everybody knows everything about everybody and the future, then they must wait for the miracle that will happen"-argumentation.

Modifié par MDT1, 25 juillet 2011 - 12:52 .

[Candidate 88766]

Fixers0 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I at least use my brain to come up with more logical alternatives rather then the crap bioware shoves us in the mouth.

If you don't like Bioware's writing then go and join Zulu and write some fanfiction.

Mass Effect 2 is a fanfic.

Fanfics are written by fans. The clue is in the name. ME2 was written by Bioware's writing team, the same people who wrote ME1. 

I assume you don't like ME2. I also assume that you're not going to buy ME3, so I would have to ask why you hang around on these forums? You're very welcome not to like ME2, but surely you have something better to be doing with your time than hanging around on the forum based on a game you don't like.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 25 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[Fixers0]

MDT1 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I at least use my brain to come up with more logical alternatives rather then the crap bioware shoves us in the mouth.

With the little flaw that what bioware shoves us is actually more believable because its like humans actually acted throughout history than your "if everybody knows everything about everybody and the future, then they must wait for the miracle that will happen"-argumentation.

It's really just a matter of using your brain, you may like to see the Alliance fleet's get crushed, by trying to evacuate a planet that isn't even theirs, but i pull my forces back and focus my efforts on producing a weapon powerfull enough to destroy the Reapers

[Candidate 88766]

Fixers0 wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I at least use my brain to come up with more logical alternatives rather then the crap bioware shoves us in the mouth.

With the little flaw that what bioware shoves us is actually more believable because its like humans actually acted throughout history than your "if everybody knows everything about everybody and the future, then they must wait for the miracle that will happen"-argumentation.

It's really just a matter of using your brain, you may like to see the Alliance fleet's get crushed, by trying to evacuate a planet that isn't even theirs, but i pull my forces back and focus my efforts on producing a weapon powerfull enough to destroy the Reapers

Ignoring the bit about the Alliance not being part of Earth (it is), that would only make sense if the Alliance knew of the scale and timing of the Reaper invasion beforehand (they don't) and if they knew for a fact that they had some way of making a weapon that can kill Reapers (they don't). The Alliance can't metagame.

[Fixers0]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I at least use my brain to come up with more logical alternatives rather then the crap bioware shoves us in the mouth.

If you don't like Bioware's writing then go and join Zulu and write some fanfiction.

Mass Effect 2 is a fanfic.

Fanfics are written by fans. The clue is in the name. ME2 was written by Bioware's writing team, the same people who wrote ME1. 

I assume you don't like ME2. I also assume that you're not going to buy ME3, so I would have to ask why you hang around on these forums? You're very welcome not to like ME2, but surely you have something better to be doing with your time than hanging around on the forum based on a game you don't like.

Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

[MDT1]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I at least use my brain to come up with more logical alternatives rather then the crap bioware shoves us in the mouth.

If you don't like Bioware's writing then go and join Zulu and write some fanfiction.

Mass Effect 2 is a fanfic.

Fanfics are written by fans. The clue is in the name. ME2 was written by Bioware's writing team, the same people who wrote ME1. 

I assume you don't like ME2. I also assume that you're not going to buy ME3, so I would have to ask why you hang around on these forums? You're very welcome not to like ME2, but surely you have something better to be doing with your time than hanging around on the forum based on a game you don't like.

He's a disciple of Zulu thus he must spread the prophecy!
Or perhaps its a troll conspiracy ... it must be trolling, his definition of fanfic can't be serious.

Modifié par MDT1, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:03 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Humanity is also a very young and early spacefaring species, if we can't protect our very planet of origin, how will that look to the rest of the galaxy?

[Candidate 88766]

Fixers0 wrote...

Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Surely a fanfic would only appeal to the established fans of the story, not to a wider audience that as of yet doesn't know whats going on in the story.

[Bourne Endeavor]

I have no real qualms rescuing Earth from the Reapers if that becomes one of the eventual goals. What would bother me is if it overshadowed the entire game, which some of speculated since ME3 could very well be the case. Such is where I have become quite adamant in my campaigns against story angles with Earth as the focal point. Admittedly, there is a portion of me that would like to see Earth destroyed if only to witness how BioWare would approach such an enormous undertaking from a narrative perspective. Few games ever are quite so bold as to put Earth is jeopardy, to the point it may actually lose. Thus fair I commend BioWare for going forward with seemingly that precise objective.

With regards to humanity and their potential after the galactic showdown? I frankly could not care less if humans lose their stand. In fact, it could very well be an intriguing conclusion and utterly contrast to the frequent reiterated, "Humans are special" trope that plagues the majority of games. Likewise, Bioware may utilize an ending like this to further develop the series. What has become of humanity generations following their heroic sacrifice for the salvation of the galaxy? Shepard would be long dead and a new series or trilogy could arise from the wake. Seems quite appealing as a rough sketch for subsequent entries into the series.

[didymos1120]

Fixers0 wrote...
Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Your vague handwaving has done nothing to make this notion make sense.  Please: be specific.

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:05 .

[Fixers0]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Surely a fanfic would only appeal to the established fans of the story, not to a wider audience that as of yet doesn't know whats going on in the story.

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

[Arijharn]

Fixers0 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is a fanfic.

No.

Saying that the Systems Alliance gets the majority of its funding from private corporations and colonies is fanfiction, even if (you think) it's likely. You know why? Because it isn't mentioned in game or even in other media (feel free to point it out if I'm wrong though).

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are written by the people who actually invented the ME universe in the first place, so even if you think it's highly unlikely, it's still not by definition, 'fanfiction.'

[didymos1120]

Fixers0 wrote...

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

Wait, are we talking about ME1 now too?

[Fixers0]

didymos1120 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Your vague handwaving has done nothing to make this notion make sense.  Please: be specific.

It does.

'Let's do twelve seperate stories about stereotypical 'awesome' dudebros without a coherent plot, so that mainstream people would find it 'cool' and knows what's going on' 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Surely a fanfic would only appeal to the established fans of the story, not to a wider audience that as of yet doesn't know whats going on in the story.

I believe he was eluding to the quality of writing, or lack thereof, ME2 had. With the abundance of plotholes and contradictions. You could indeed make a reasonable case ME2 was a fanfic, although a better written one. Regardless, it was meant to take shots at the poor structure of the main plot I am willing to bet since many cite fanfic as 95% trash.

[Fixers0]

didymos1120 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

Wait, are we talking about ME1 now too?

Now i Know why they made such a laugable simplistic second game.

So that people like you would not be utterly confused and confuse the two games.

they failed/

Modifié par Fixers0, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:09 .

[Candidate 88766]

Fixers0 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Surely a fanfic would only appeal to the established fans of the story, not to a wider audience that as of yet doesn't know whats going on in the story.

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

Its kinda meant to be cliched. Mass Effect was always envisioned as a tribute to classic sci-fi films of the past, and those films generally a bit cliched and over-the-top. Mass Effect tries to capture that style of sci-fi present throughout the 70s and 80s. It was never trying to be some kind of super-accurate sci-fi story - they are many pasrt of the ME canon that are plausible, even realistic, but thats not really the point. The whole trilogy is about a spaceship captain flying around to exotic alien worlds trying to stop an evil machine race. It was cliched since the very start, but it doesn't matter. It captures that nostalgic idea of sci-fi you get with films like Star Wars or Bladerunner. That is and always has been the point of Mass Effect - to make you feel like you did after seeing Star Wars for the first time. That almost childish dream of being able to fly around space as captain of your own ship, going off on an adventure. ME tackles mature issues within its story, but fundamentally it is a tribute to great sci-fi, and in order to be that it kinda has to be cliched.

[Ieldra]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I have no real qualms rescuing Earth from the Reapers if that becomes one of the eventual goals. What would bother me is if it overshadowed the entire game, which some of speculated since ME3 could very well be the case. Such is where I have become quite adamant in my campaigns against story angles with Earth as the focal point. Admittedly, there is a portion of me that would like to see Earth destroyed if only to witness how BioWare would approach such an enormous undertaking from a narrative perspective. Few games ever are quite so bold as to put Earth is jeopardy, to the point it may actually lose. Thus fair I commend BioWare for going forward with seemingly that precise objective.

I agree that saving Earth shouldn't overshadow the entire game. That's not the point I wanted to make. I'm just arguing against the opposing viewpoint that Earth doesn't matter a great deal for humanity.

With regards to humanity and their potential after the galactic showdown? I frankly could not care less if humans lose their stand. In fact, it could very well be an intriguing conclusion and utterly contrast to the frequent reiterated, "Humans are special" trope that plagues the majority of games. Likewise, Bioware may utilize an ending like this to further develop the series. What has become of humanity generations following their heroic sacrifice for the salvation of the galaxy? Shepard would be long dead and a new series or trilogy could arise from the wake. Seems quite appealing as a rough sketch for subsequent entries into the series.

Well, I do care - that is, most of my Shepards do. Others, not so much. It would be an interesting option for an ending but I wouldn't like be forced into it. Just as I wouldn't like into an ending that equals understanding Reaper technology with an extremist version of human domination.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think Zulu or Fixers0 can write anything better than what BioWare's writers can.

Not to mention that the story would be so biased, it's not even funny.

[Candidate 88766]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I believe he was eluding to the quality of writing, or lack thereof, ME2 had. With the abundance of plotholes and contradictions. You could indeed make a reasonable case ME2 was a fanfic, although a better written one. Regardless, it was meant to take shots at the poor structure of the main plot I am willing to bet since many cite fanfic as 95% trash.

People keep going on about how many plotholes there are in ME2, but I honestly don't see that many. There are just as many, if not more, in ME1. 

[didymos1120]

Fixers0 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

Wait, are we talking about ME1 now too?

Now i Know why they made such a laugable simplistic second game.

So that people like you would not be utterly confused and confuse the two games.

they failed/

No. You've just completely failed to understand my intent (or to recognize the use of a rhetorical question).

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:18 .

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think Zulu or Fixers0 can write anything better than what BioWare's writers can.

Not to mention that the story would be so biased, it's not even funny.

Considering that i don't have a marketing team to worry, i think it's safe to assume that it isn't hard to surpass Bioware's writing team.

But hey, now you've got Tali, what's not to like about that?

[Fixers0]

didymos1120 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

Wait, are we talking about ME1 now too?

Now i Know why they made such a laugable simplistic second game.

So that people like you would not be utterly confused and confuse the two games.

they failed/

No. You've just completely failed to understand my meaning (or to recognize the use of a rhetorical question).

What's hard to understand, Bioware is afraid that General Audiances confuse two games set in the same universe.

[didymos1120]

Fixers0 wrote...

Considering that i don't have a marketing team to worry, i think it's safe to assume that it isn't hard to surpass Bioware's writing team.

Talk is cheap.  Nowhere moreso than on the intarwebs.