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[CaptainHydra]

I think there is point to be added that 3% of humanity volunteers for service in the alliance, so apart from the 11 billion on Earth and the other hundreds of millions on colonies, there are more than (roughly) 334 million soldiers that are stationed on stations like Acturus Station, which haven't been included. Though this isn't a big percentage, this is a large population of people that could be added to the not on Earth portion of humanity.

[Dragoonlordz]

Wizz wrote...

You are taking my words too literally. There simply will be no such ending where humans are close to extinction. Of course there will casualties, but humanity will stay major race [or dominant if you really want so].
Yes, it's a metagaming.
*moves out*

They better not be imho. That would be far to unrealistic to come out of this with just scrapes and bruises to the state of humanity in the universe and it's position.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:52 .

[Candidate 88766]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

People keep going on about how many plotholes there are in ME2, but I honestly don't see that many. There are just as many, if not more, in ME1. 

While not perfect, ME1 has far less qualms in its overall structure. I could write, and actually have, a thesis of what is wrong with ME2's main plot. The Suicide Mission itself is asinine, at least how they went about it. Nevertheless, this topic will inevitable derail this thread. So if anyone wants to discuss it than create another thread so as not to get Ieldra2's lock. I will not comment here on this further for that reason.

In any seriousness, if any of you do start a thread. Do send me a link. If you have seen any of my posts, you will know I love to debate. 

At least you take the time to explain your thoughts. I have no problem with people not liking ME2. I do have a problem with people who insult it and hate on it and don't bother explaining why.

Incidentally, do you have a link to what you wrote about the SM? I really enjoyed ME2s plot but I'm interested to see a well-explained critique of it.


Also, to stray back on topic I think that if humanity lost Earth it would be a blow from which they would never recover. Population, economy, military and morale would take such a hit that it would be finished as a power regardless of whether it survived. Humanity hasn't had time to spread out form Earth enough to be able to afford its loss.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:52 .

[Goneaviking]

Fixers0 wrote...

Hackett knows about the Reapers, an i'm pretty he isn't going to let his fleet of ships being crushed by the reapers.

Also in unrelated news, i support a military coup within the Alliance.

Admiral Hackett commands the 5th fleet. Not the only fleet.

Yes there is a fleet near to Earth. Of course there's a fleet near to Earth. Reapers aren't the only enemies that humanity has and nobody knows for certain when they're going to show up or where.

Also it makes perfect sense for the fleet to attempt to rescue as many people from Earth as it's feasible to save for reasons already stated a dozen times, and also just because it's their job to do it.

[jamesp81]

WoolyJoe wrote...

Is it not that most of Earth's funding and resources comes from large corporations and colonies outside the solar system, and that it's through this that the Systems Alliance is funded? So, not everything goes straight to the Alliance, but first goes to Earth and its various governing bodies, and is then distributed amongst the Alliance and colonization and so on

Yeah? Nooo.....? No? Okay then, just wonderin'...

Most of the funding for the Systems Alliance comes from the wealthiest nations on Earth including Russia, China, India, Japan, and the western countries, mainly the US, Canada, and all of Europe.

[CroGamer002]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

I've only read the OP so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it seems to me that without Earth's military power as support, every human colony would become a big fat target for the Batarians. So imagine having 99% of the species wiped out, and then 99% of those surviving ending up as slaves. The ones who died would be lucky.

Well point of the Shepard's trial is to stop war with Batarians before it even starts.

[Ahriman]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They better not be imho. That would be far to unrealistic to come out of this with just scrapes and bruises to the state of humanity in the universe and it's position.

Do you mean unrealistic like youngest Citadel race getting place in the Council? Oh wait...

[MDT1]

jamesp81 wrote...

They don't know for a fact that it's pointless.

They do know for a fact that enemies are coming to destroy their homes.  Just what the hell do you think they're going to do?

Senior military officers are not these far off demi-gods of war that function like machines.  They're just people.  Most of whom took an oath before God and country to defend their people with their lives if necessary.

Suppose you told one of these officers that the battle was hopeless and that he shouldn't stand and fight for his home.  There's an old saying: do not issue orders you know will not be obeyed.  This one would not be obeyed.  Nor should it be, under most circumstances.

The fleet exists to defend humanity.  It has no other purpose.  You cannot reasonably expect the fleet to simply salute, say yes sir, and leave their homes to be ravaged.  That's not going to happen, and to think it would is unreasonable.

You hit the nail.

[TexasToast712]

Wizz wrote...

Humans are special, you will be surprised how fast they will recover even 99% of them will be wiped out.

This.

[Dragoonlordz]

Goneaviking wrote...

Admiral Hackett commands the 5th fleet. Not the only fleet.

Yes there is a fleet near to Earth. Of course there's a fleet near to Earth. Reapers aren't the only enemies that humanity has and nobody knows for certain when they're going to show up or where.

[jamesp81]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Give C-Base to TIM, He develops a Weapons, Cerberus is part of the Alliance, Alliance fleet blows up reapers, Human dominance.

I don't think any of the Alliance leaders would put their faith in some terrorist to come up with a solution for them.

And I really don't think Cerberus has such huge control over the Alliance so it can decide if the whole Alliance fleet stays back or not.

Give me one reason why cerberus should be called terrorists ?

I'll give you three:

1) Akuze (experimenting on live humans without permission)
2) Pragia (biotic death camps for children)
3) Overlord (enslavement of both Geth and a man's autistic brother for scientific research)

and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

[Computron2000]

The OP's right and to add to some of the points made by the comments following that, i'm sure a lot remember fighting pirates, bandits and possibly batarian terrorists in ME1. I'm not too sure how people are going to defend their colonies frm pirate raids, bandit attacks and revenge from terrorists when your main ship manufacturing/repair and raw material base just got whacked.

I'm not too sure the pirates/bandits/batarians would go "Awww, those poor humans. They are weak, confused and scattered right now. We should just leave them be."

[Dragoonlordz]

Wizz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They better not be imho. That would be far to unrealistic to come out of this with just scrapes and bruises to the state of humanity in the universe and it's position.

Do you mean unrealistic like youngest Citadel race getting place in the Council? Oh wait...

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The human superiority complex in games annoys me, the other races should be given equal spotlight and attention.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 02:00 .

[MDT1]

Wizz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They better not be imho. That would be far to unrealistic to come out of this with just scrapes and bruises to the state of humanity in the universe and it's position.

Do you mean unrealistic like youngest Citadel race getting place in the Council? Oh wait...

Turians got it for saving the council from the Krogans, we got it for saving it from the Geth. Salarians and asari just where their first. It isn't as if the other 3 species did significantly more to gain their seats.

Modifié par MDT1, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:59 .

[Fixers0]

jamesp81 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Give C-Base to TIM, He develops a Weapons, Cerberus is part of the Alliance, Alliance fleet blows up reapers, Human dominance.

I don't think any of the Alliance leaders would put their faith in some terrorist to come up with a solution for them.

And I really don't think Cerberus has such huge control over the Alliance so it can decide if the whole Alliance fleet stays back or not.

Give me one reason why cerberus should be called terrorists ?

I'll give you three:

1) Akuze (experimenting on live humans without permission)
2) Pragia (biotic death camps for children)
3) Overlord (enslavement of both Geth and a man's autistic brother for scientific research)

and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

I might remind you that in 1&2 Cerberus was still offical part of the Alliance, so you are hereby calling them terrorist to?

Was overlord and act aimed against the state, no it wasn't.

[jamesp81]

Ieldra2 wrote...

WoolyJoe wrote...
Is it not that most of Earth's funding and resources comes from large corporations and colonies outside the solar system, and that it's through this that the Systems Alliance is funded? So, not everything goes straight to the Alliance, but first goes to Earth and its various governing bodies, and is then distributed amongst the Alliance and colonization and so on

That is not so, no. Earth does profit from the colonies, of course, and even more from the raw materials mined on extrasolar planets. But with 99% of the population base on Earth, most of what's actually done is done on Earth. Even in industry production Earth will outweigh the sum of the colonies, and even more in high-tech enterprises and research. The sheer numbers will outweigh any strategic advantage a colony might have. You can see that if make one-sided examples: assume that 100% of colonial economy is industrial production, with 100 million people the total may rival a similarly dedicated country of 100 million on Earth. One. 

@Cancer puppet:
Quite right. If humanity loses Earth but the batarians lose signficantly less, that's how it will very likely end.

The Batarians are hardly the only post-reaper problem to worry about.  In fact, given that the Reapers are kicking their heads in first, they might be less of a threat.

Consider that most of the rogue states in the Terminus systems are in the galactic north east.  Given their entry point and course, this would appear to be the last place, or one of the last places, the Reapers will reach.  Leaving all the rogue regimes more than intact enough to subjugate Earth's remaining colonies.  Most of these thug states have an axe to grind against the Alliance to boot.

[Goneaviking]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Give C-Base to TIM, He develops a Weapons, Cerberus is part of the Alliance, Alliance fleet blows up reapers, Human dominance.

I don't think any of the Alliance leaders would put their faith in some terrorist to come up with a solution for them.

And I really don't think Cerberus has such huge control over the Alliance so it can decide if the whole Alliance fleet stays back or not.

Give me one reason why cerberus should be called terrorists ?

Because they have a history of killing civilians to achieve their own political ends.

Which is the actual working definition of a terrorism.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

I might remind you that in 1&2 Cerberus was still offical part of the Alliance, so you are hereby calling them terrorist to?

Was overlord and act aimed against the state, no it wasn't.

That's funny.

Everything else says that Cerberus broke away from the Alliance long before that in order to give themselves more freedom to do things the Alliance wouldn't allow.

[jamesp81]

Fixers0 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Forgive me, but i said it wrong.

Mass Effect 2 is written as Fanfic

This is because of marketing team that wants to appeal to wider a audiance and whatnot. 

Surely a fanfic would only appeal to the established fans of the story, not to a wider audience that as of yet doesn't know whats going on in the story.

Of course, but by using thousands of cliches and tropes it just became a generic recruitment story in a Sci-fi jacket.

Complaining about writers using "tropes" when writing stories is like complaining about Toyota using car parts to build cars.

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

I might remind you that in 1&2 Cerberus was still offical part of the Alliance, so you are hereby calling them terrorist to?

According to LotSB Dossiers, Cerberus is called a terrorist organization by both Council and Alliance.


You got no evidence to support that Cerberus is official part of Alliance.

Cerberus has people in Alliance, but secretly.
And they had to kill some people to replace their own.

Was overlord and act aimed against the state, no it wasn't.

You don't have to attack a state to be a terrorist.

[Ahriman]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Two wrongs don't make a right.

At least it makes you ready for everything

MDT1 wrote...
Turians got it for saving the council from the
Krogans, we got it for saving it from the Geth. Salarians and asari just
where their first. It isn't as if the other 3 species did significantly
more to gain their seats.

I don't see at reward, it's more like "those guys have biggest fleet and kicked some krogan asses, let's keep them close". But humans just appeared at right time in right place, 5th fleet is usual fleet and Shepard is unusual marine, not a big deal. Opinion of course.

Modifié par Wizz, 25 juillet 2011 - 02:06 .

[MDT1]

Fixers0 wrote...



I might remind you that in 1&2 Cerberus was still offical part of the Alliance, so you are hereby calling them terrorist to?

Was overlord and act aimed against the state, no it wasn't.

So lets say a CIA agent decides to blow himself up in a mosque without order from the President.

According to your logic either the CIA is a terrorist organization or what he did isn't terrorism.

The world isn't only black and white.

Modifié par MDT1, 25 juillet 2011 - 02:11 .

[Sgt Stryker]

 To the OP:


I like this human, he understands!

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

They seemed perfectly willing to do just that with regards to the Collectors.

"We're all hoping you and Cerberus have an ace up your sleeves." - Hackett

Okay, when are you going to understand that the Alliance isn't allowed to work within Terminus space?