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[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

This is all automaticly false, AIs can't generate new commands.

Today's A.I. can't generate new commands, what makes you think that in future they can't?
Like, you know, Geth and Reapers in Mass Effect?


I'm starting to doubt you played any of those games.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:16 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Fixers0 wrote...

AI recieves instructions, they can't generate new ones, if they can it is so because they are instructed to do so.

AI can generate new ones this is shown in the mass effect world, does Legion pull the trigger or wait, should he move left or right, he decided those things much like you decide to lift your arm or lower it using same process of sending electric signal through your nerves from your brain as he did through his wires from his CPU. You were told to go to get the IFF from instruction TiM gave you much like machine is instructed to do. everything on the way is making choices based on situations etc go left go right take train take bus = which is fastest which is more efficiant. Same choice you made Geth make too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:14 .

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...


Me as a human, i have no idea  how an AI can be seen as sentient, and not even the most cartoonish storytellingwill convince that they are, an AI always recieves instructions that it muts follow no matter how advanced it is.

Besides is there an unbiassed confirmation out there that geth are sentient no, ther isn't just some raging quarians, and what's their credibility.

The conversation with Legion about shepards armour implies that Legion made an emotional decision to keep shepards armour as a trophy. We also know that Bioware made his 'eyebrows' for want of a better word, move to show emotion. Judging from Legions eyebrow flapping when you ask him about the armour, it seems that he acted illogicaly and unlike a machine, has no adeqaute answer to why he did it. Also notice the 'does this platform have a soul?' questions, and the fact that Legion is confused and worried that the Herectic geth were straying from their programming by spying and trying to convert the true geth. Also, there is almost no difference between the chemical reactions of the brain, and the electronic reactions in machines.  If I changed some of your brain pathways you would behave in a different manner, or if I changed your genetic code/programming you would be forced to change. I see little difference between the geth and organics.

[Fixers0]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Really, they  are just machines an AI proccesors, nothing sentient here.

Did you play ME1 and ME2?

They think on their own, have opinions and hell even a religion.

Quarians can shout all they want, do they have any understanding of the world, or galactic politics and relations.

Quarians lost billions of people and every planet from Geth and they do recognize Geth as sentient beings.

And yes, they do understand the world and galactic politics. Where did you get the idea they don't?

Did you forget about pilgrimages?
Also they can always have TV on those ships to know what's going on in galaxy.

I'm looking for an unbiassed viewpoint from either the Alliance or the counci that regards the geth as a senties species with there own nation.

Game Codex.

They are called sentient and almost everything from Codex is written from Council perspective.

This is all automaticly false, AIs can't generate new commands.

You are to read the following article and understand it fully. Come back to us when you're done.
(link)

All AI has to be programmed with instructions, with out it, it will do nothing.

IF there was a blank AI that suddenly started to generate its own instructions then it would be sentient, otherwise its not 

[aTrueFool]

Fixers0 wrote...

Because the Mass effect 2 gives the impression that Cerberus has been independant from the start, Just talk to EDI about the construction of the normandy,,

"Cerberus encourgend the Alliance to Co-Developd the original Normandy'' or something like that.

That quote doesn't mean that Cerberus wasn't part of the Alliance. It just means Cerberus encouraged the developement of the Normandy.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

This is all automaticly false, AIs can't generate new commands.

That's one of the points behind an AI. That it can think outside it's initial programming. Which the geth are.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:15 .

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

All AI has to be programmed with instructions, with out it, it will do nothing.

IF there was a blank AI that suddenly started to generate its own instructions then it would be sentient, otherwise its not 

That's what the geth did.

[Ieldra]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Tonymac wrote...
These other places are not full of screaming little kids and retards and traffic and beggars. They are not filled with ****** sorry cops eating doughnuts while tagging passersbye with a speeding ticket - or red light cameras - or high taxes and maggot welfare programs for lazy people who are too worthless to make something of themselves. These other worlds are not full of pollution and disease and idiots who live in the desert and complain about the lack of food and water. They are not flooded with illegal immigration problems.

*AHEM*

This guy, this guy, this dude, this lady, and this individual would like to have a word with you.

You forgot this guy. Criminals and thugs are bad enough, but at least they take their fate in their own hands. This ignorant POS represents everything I don't want to save in humanity.

Fortunate for people like him that we can't recognize the as*holes at first sight. 

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

This is all automaticly false, AIs can't generate new commands.

Today's A.I. can't generate new commands, what makes you think that in future they can't?
Like, you know, Geth and Reapers in Mass Effect?


I'm starting to doubt you played any of those games.

They generate commands because they are orderd to so, it's in their program.

And nothing  will convince met that the Geth are a lifeforms, they are machines and a potential danger to humanity, just as aliens are just animalistic creatures anyway.

And there is nothing to indicate that the geth are an Council recognized nation.

[CroGamer002]

We should stop discussing about Geth being sentient or not since it's in-game fact since ME1 that they are and it's off-topic.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

All AI has to be programmed with instructions, with out it, it will do nothing.

IF there was a blank AI that suddenly started to generate its own instructions then it would be sentient, otherwise its not 

That's what the geth did.

They were programmed to do so, duh

[James2912]

AI- "artificial" intelligence

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

They were programmed to do so, duh

Yeah.

And thus, they were able to achieve consciousnesses, because as their networking increased, so did their intelligence.

We were not that different. Our intelligence have increased as well, though over a larger period of time.

[Dragoonlordz]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

All AI has to be programmed with instructions, with out it, it will do nothing.

IF there was a blank AI that suddenly started to generate its own instructions then it would be sentient, otherwise its not 

That's what the geth did.

They were programmed to do so, duh

No offense but kinda hope your Sheperd doesn't survive the Reaper attack, seems way too bigoted (human superiority complex) and narrow minded (humans more important and better than those animalistc aliens) to be in any sort of influential postion. Honestly I can't see your Sheperd being anything more than a Cerberus member in the ME universe since seems to match idiologies.

P.s humans are nothing more than another species of animal too.

"The word "animal" comes from the Latin word animalis, meaning "having breath, The biological definition of the word refers to all members of the kingdom Animalia, encompassing creatures as diverse as sponges, jellyfish, insects and humans.[4]"

Anyways done talking to you about this too.

Back on topic time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:31 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

All AI has to be programmed with instructions, with out it, it will do nothing.

IF there was a blank AI that suddenly started to generate its own instructions then it would be sentient, otherwise its not 

That's what the geth did.

They were programmed to do so, duh

Humans can be programmed just as well as a machine can be programmed. It might take a little more effort, but it can be done. Look up "military boot camp."

[Phaelducan]

From what I gathered from the first game, the Reapers rely on a surprise decapitation of the government and infrastructure to begin their extinction cycles. Since that failed, and it looks like ME3 opens with a direct assault on Earth, we can assume that Reapers are pretty firmly along the "plan B" path.

If they were only attacking Earth first because of renegade options, or whatever, I could see it being a matter of tactics, but since even if you spare the council and humans aren't more important than any other species, why go specifically for Earth unless it's some sort of concern over our species in particular (unless they are going there because Shepard is there at the time, which would be absurd)?

If we are so important, then it would stand to reason that Earth is really important to save.

For that matter, unless the Reapers vaporize the planet, it would take a LONG time to kill the people, while relatively little time to cripple the major cities and spaceports. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they are doing on Earth specifically other than making a really cool intro for the CGI trailer with freaking laser beams and stuff.

[Sgt Stryker]

Heh, finally someone took it upon themselves to bring this back on track. Plan B? I'd say it's more like Plan D or E now. Regardless of player choices though, the Reapers do see humanity as Public Enemy #1. Remember: It was a human fleet that destroyed Sovereign, a human who eliminated Saren, and a human organization that exterminated the Collectors.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, the Reapers are fully capable of going to the Citadel, kill everything and take control over the relay network.

I think them attacking Earth and other planets first is just a faster way for them to get the cycle started again.

[Homebound]

empires fall and rise all the time in human history. Earth falls, theres always Mars.

[LOLandStuff]

Because Mars is so very very far far away in another galaxy. The Reapers will definitely not go to Mars. Nope, not at all.

[Someone With Mass]

Arcian wrote...
Nope, because as soon as Citadel Command detects a hostile presence in proximity, the Citadel turtles up.

And then the waiting game starts.

Who do you think dies first? The people inside the Citadel or the Reapers?

[Kaiser Shepard]

To come back on the little fanfic argument you guys had going a couple of hours ago:
Mass 2 did add some questionable concepts, the likes of which would be right at home in a fanfic. I mean, the moments leading up to the Lazarus Project are great and all, but surely we could've been introduced to Cerberus in a less... lorebreaking way.

The Collectors were simply introduced as filler enemies and discarded at the end of the episode, the original Council reverted back to their old useless selves... pretty much the entire status quo remained unchanged.

Now, I'm not saying those aspects bothered me that much when playing the game, but when you allow yourself to stand back and look at what happened in ME2, all we've had is further exposition of the galaxy. Which was fine - hell, I loved it - but the story didn't progress one bit. Instead of having the Collectors as the Monsters of the Week, we could've had a much more interesting and intriguing in-galaxy conflict, or simply have the Reapers' invasion take place sometime during ME2, dragging the main conflict into the final game.

[DJRackham]

James2912 wrote...

AI- "artificial" intelligence

Not to be confused with VI or "Virtual" Intelligence.