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[stewie1974]

Chun Hei wrote...

And Asari have a cultural taboo against breeding with their own. If they replace all the other races they have destroyed themselves culturally. It is almost like the vampire stupidity. If they suck all the people dry what will they have to eat?

Destroying their culture ....hmmmm, they were not always space faring, its a safe bet to say they used to breed among themselves for several thousand years.....unless there were other humanoid species on their homeworld that are now -EXTINCT- because they were bred out by asari.

[xXljoshlXx]

stewie1974 wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

A space faring race can never be -doomed- with the loss of their homeworld.

Yes it can

Just like all former colonies were doomed when mother england no longer supported them?

The human race just needs to adopt another planet to survive....Earth is pretty much depleted mineral wise as far as those scans go, so the planet has no -wealth- to offer other species anyway. Earth is just a habitable rock like any other in the galaxy... The death of earth by natural means won't mean the extinction of the human race if we are able to colonise other worlds.

If we sacrafice earth, it means taking the -fleet- with us..because you know, we are not sacraficing the fleet to save earth.

1. That wasn't space
2. You said Race not Humans
3. Earth is 99% the human population I'm sure the batarian slavers or any war could finish that last 1% off 

[LiquidLogic2020]

Tuchanka, small population that always bombs itself back to the stone age anyway. Keep the genophage cure to help them repopulate afterwards and let them star a new, reintroduce new genophage if they return to their old ways.

[Kane Corr]

I think it's an easy choice....



See ya' Tuchanka!



You know that if the Krogan race multiplied, they would rebell. I don't care if Wrex was the Supreme chancellor-emperor-president of ALL Krogan. They ARE going to rebell at some point. It's common sense. They are all ticked off at the upper council races running the show, and stripping their people of reproduction. They'll want want want forever...until they have it their way. Their homeworld is a blight too.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I'm a Paragon and I'd hesitate to sacrifice Earth over any other homeworld for one main reason. As its been mentioned before humanity only has 1% of its populations off Earth so Earth being destroyed would practically destroy humanity or make it very weak. If you destroyed the Asari homewolrd than they still have planets like Illium that have a population in the trillion so they'd still be a viable specie especially with their 'breeding' with other specie. The Turians and the Salarians are probably in a situation where they have billion if not trillions so they'd be able to absorb the hit of their world being destroyed than humanity would.

[stewie1974]

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

A space faring race can never be -doomed- with the loss of their homeworld.

Yes it can

Just like all former colonies were doomed when mother england no longer supported them?

The human race just needs to adopt another planet to survive....Earth is pretty much depleted mineral wise as far as those scans go, so the planet has no -wealth- to offer other species anyway. Earth is just a habitable rock like any other in the galaxy... The death of earth by natural means won't mean the extinction of the human race if we are able to colonise other worlds.

If we sacrafice earth, it means taking the -fleet- with us..because you know, we are not sacraficing the fleet to save earth.

1. That wasn't space
2. You said Race not Humans
3. Earth is 99% the human population I'm sure the batarian slavers or any war could finish that last 1% off 

Easy solution.

1. take the fleet through a mass relay.
2. From the mass relay FTL  drive to an isolated solar system .
3. Take out the gateway mass relay with an asteriod destroying that gate way system and isolating your solar system and new planet from all the nasty aliens that might want to slave you ...
4. Breed like bunnies for the few thousand years it takes the other races to find you...
5. Survival of the human race ensues..


It's basically just metaphorically locking the door behind you and giving you time to rebuild your numbers.

Modifié par stewie1974, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:25 .

[ME-ParaShep]

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

A space faring race can never be -doomed- with the loss of their homeworld.

Yes it can

Just like all former colonies were doomed when mother england no longer supported them?

The human race just needs to adopt another planet to survive....Earth is pretty much depleted mineral wise as far as those scans go, so the planet has no -wealth- to offer other species anyway. Earth is just a habitable rock like any other in the galaxy... The death of earth by natural means won't mean the extinction of the human race if we are able to colonise other worlds.

If we sacrafice earth, it means taking the -fleet- with us..because you know, we are not sacraficing the fleet to save earth.

1. That wasn't space
2. You said Race not Humans
3. Earth is 99% the human population I'm sure the batarian slavers or any war could finish that last 1% off 

Provide evidence from a reliable source or that declaration is only as good as a homeless man asking Bill Gates or Oprah for 2 billion dollars

[xXljoshlXx]

stewie1974 wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

A space faring race can never be -doomed- with the loss of their homeworld.

Yes it can

Just like all former colonies were doomed when mother england no longer supported them?

The human race just needs to adopt another planet to survive....Earth is pretty much depleted mineral wise as far as those scans go, so the planet has no -wealth- to offer other species anyway. Earth is just a habitable rock like any other in the galaxy... The death of earth by natural means won't mean the extinction of the human race if we are able to colonise other worlds.

If we sacrafice earth, it means taking the -fleet- with us..because you know, we are not sacraficing the fleet to save earth.

1. That wasn't space
2. You said Race not Humans
3. Earth is 99% the human population I'm sure the batarian slavers or any war could finish that last 1% off 

Easy solution.

1. take the fleet through a mass relay.
2. From the mass relay FTL  drive to an isolated solar system .
3. Take out the gateway mass relay with an asteriod destroying that gate way system and isolating your solar system and new planet from all the nasty aliens that might want to slave you ...
4. Breed like bunnies for the few thousand years it takes the other races to find you...
5. Survival of the human race ensues..

When i say sacrifice i mean the whole population with it not just the rock, all assests that planet has, otherwise destroying any of the planets wouldn't have much of a effect if everyone just moved to a new planet

edit: grammar 

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:31 .

[SandTrout]

I'd loose Thessia if it was a forced choice. As stated, they are the most spread out, and therefor would take the least overall hit from the loss of their home-world.

Also, as Saphra Deden stated, the Asari are a culturally subversive nation, and are really the prime obstacle to human advancement. People are too easily enamored with the Asari's apparent penchent for diplomacy over the use of force, and fail to realize that they are as competitive as any of the other species, but in a more insidious manner.

You forgot "Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.
While every human enjoys longer and better life then ever, the gap
between rich and poor widens daily. Advanced nations have eliminated
most genetic disease
and pollution. Less fortunate regions have not progressed beyond 20th
century technology, and are often smog-choked, overpopulated slums.

Your pursuit of equality is more destructive of the inequality that you abhor. Every human has benefited from the advancements and colonization. Some have benefited more than others. Just because the gap is widening does not mean that the standards of living of the poor are degrading. Factually, the opposite is true. Even though the gap is widening, it is because the top is doing better, not because the bottom is doing worse.

Also, you would remove the opportunity for these poor people to advance themselves by colonizing worlds, and you would even allow them to be killed, just because the rich are rich, and they are not. Your proposed course of action is more damaging to those you claim to act on the behalf of than the people you nominally oppose.

Even the poorest nations are about as well off as modern day Europe. This is not a bad thing, considering that the poorest modern nations are not as well off as 16th centruy Europe.

Modifié par SandTrout, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:36 .

[xXljoshlXx]

Me-ParaShep wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

1. That wasn't space
2. You said Race not Humans
3. Earth is 99% the human population I'm sure the batarian slavers or any war could finish that last 1% off 

Provide evidence from a reliable source or that declaration is only as good as a homeless man asking Bill Gates or Oprah for 2 billion dollars

Alright my third point is moot but a race can still be doomed by losing their homeworld.

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So the question is -- which genocide is most palatable?

One death is a tragedy; one million a statistic. -- Josef Stalin.

I would not sacrifice earth. Sorry Batarians.

[Hypnotix0000]

I say get rid of Earth, if you couldn't get out by the time we decide to do something to it, sorry we gotta do it. But make it the most spectacular/depressing way to go. I say get the Reapers pissed, start guerilla tactics and wipe a few out. Get Shepard to call out Harbinger and the Reaper horde to Earth and blow it up with all the Reapers in orbit, ala Haestrom dark matter. A little anti-climatic sure, but it could be one way to get rid of them, and could give big sympathy push from the other races, showing how selfless we could actually be, instead of how we are now (and apparently in the 22nd century).

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

I'd loose Thessia if it was a forced choice. As stated, they are the most spread out, and therefor would take the least overall hit from the loss of their home-world.

Also, as Saphra Deden stated, the Asari are a culturally subversive nation, and are really the prime obstacle to human advancement. People are too easily enamored with the Asari's apparent penchent for diplomacy over the use of force, and fail to realize that they are as competitive as any of the other species, but in a more insidious manner.

You forgot "Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.
While every human enjoys longer and better life then ever, the gap
between rich and poor widens daily. Advanced nations have eliminated
most genetic disease
and pollution. Less fortunate regions have not progressed beyond 20th
century technology, and are often smog-choked, overpopulated slums.

Your pursuit of equality is more destructive of the inequality that you abhor. Every human has benefited from the advancements and colonization. Some have benefited more than others. Just because the gap is widening does not mean that the standards of living of the poor are degrading. Factually, the opposite is true. Even though the gap is widening, it is because the top is doing better, not because the bottom is doing worse.

Also, you would remove the opportunity for these poor people to advance themselves by colonizing worlds, and you would even allow them to be killed, just because the rich are rich, and they are not. Your proposed course of action is more damaging to those you claim to act on the behalf of than the people you nominally oppose.

Even the poorest nations are about as well off as modern day Europe. This is not a bad thing, considering that the poorest modern nations are not as well off as 16th centruy Europe.

I like this human, he understands.

[ThePwener]

Can I only choose 3 and leave the Turians and Asari out? plz?

[Fixers0]

I really don't see the point in saving or even atempting to evacuate earth , Earth will be severly damaged regardless if not allready destroyed by the time you will be able to retake earth. all it really is a complete waste of time and effort since the fleets will most likely be decimated by the Reapers.

Instead, let the Alliance hold it's fleet back until they got a Weapons powerfull enough to combat the Reapers, Bonus if saved the C-base and sacrifcied the original council, Humanity will be stronger and can asume, dominance of the galaxy and start a new order.

[GodWood]

Thessia

[MaskedAffection]

Wow there really is no easy choice..

I lol'ed at the people who chose Tuchanka to sacrifice.. That would be such a "F*ck You" to the Krogan's after they already suffered from the genophage...

Since I have never had the experience of visiting either the Salarian, Turian, or Asari worlds, I can't make a decision on them..

Earth would be a "paragon" choice.. Knowing my love for the alien races of ME, I would definitely consider this one..

Modifié par MaskedAffection, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:31 .

[Asari_Party]

Earth propably.

[marshalleck]

Apparently paragon is now the openly anti-human position.

[TobyHasEyes]

See, I don't get how sacrificing Earth is seen as the Paragon option.. its not as though Shepard is sacrificing himself to save others

If the pro-alien Paragon, like mine, truly sees no morally significant difference between humanity and the other sentient races in the galaxy, then (with all species' on equal footing) a choice based on which planet has lowest population seems to fit to me

Whereas rather than focusing on population, the Renegade would probably pick the planet that has least military value in the Reaper resistance

[MaskedAffection]

marshalleck wrote...

Apparently paragon is now the openly anti-human position.

Hahaha, well Renegade signaled Ultra-humanism and an anti-alien atitude.

Choosing Earth would be the ultimate sacrafice...

[marshalleck]

MaskedAffection wrote...

Choosing Earth would be the ultimate sacrafice...

And that's what this is really about...appeasing the paragon's ego and incessant drive toward sacrifice. Ironically, the paragon would make all humans but himself make that sacrifice. 

I put no faith in christian mythology, but that sounds like an antichrist figure it ever such a thing were possible. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:41 .

[bigrdog101]

F#%k the aliens they can burn.

Humanity FTW!

[Massadonious1]

Apparently Renegade idealism is pretty flexible when it comes to something they actually give a crap about preserving.

Stopping the Reapers/extinction cycle should be your only goal. If you're not willing to do that, then I question your dedication to the cause.