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[Seboist]

bigrdog101 wrote...

F#%k the aliens they can burn.

Humanity FTW!

That's the spirit.

[Seboist]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Apparently Renegade idealism is pretty flexible when it comes to something they actually give a crap about preserving.

Stopping the Reapers/extinction cycle should be your only goal. If you're not willing to do that, then I question your dedication to the cause.

A galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving.

[marshalleck]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Apparently Renegade idealism is pretty flexible when it comes to something they actually give a crap about preserving.

Stopping the Reapers/extinction cycle should be your only goal. If you're not willing to do that, then I question your dedication to the cause.

Preserving your species should be the goal. If you're unable to achieve that, you've accomplished nothing and might as well have let the Reapers wipe everyone out and make a human slurpee.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

all species is important for the diversity, i like sacrifice any life
so i prefer give Shepard to the Reeper, for stop the war.

[Fixers0]

Oh, it's not rainbow sunshine Paragon blind idealism, it's logical a conclusion, i'm not going to sacrifice earth because it's for the good of the galaxy and other species, but because it will eventually turn out to be very economical beneficial  for the Alliance, with no overpopulated ''acid waste slum'' to represent, the Alliance lost a big moneysink.

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

Oh, it's not rainbow sunshine Paragon blind idealism, it's logical a conclusion, i'm not going to sacrifice earth because it's for the good of the galaxy and other species, but because it will eventually turn out to be very economical beneficial  for the Alliance, with no overpopulated ''acid waste slum'' to represent, the Alliance lost a big moneysink.

You've been pretty soundly refuted on this tangent like a dozen times, I don't think anyone is interested in seeing you repeat this nonsense.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:51 .

[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Oh, it's not rainbow sunshine Paragon blind idealism, it's logical a conclusion, i'm not going to sacrifice earth because it's for the good of the galaxy and other species, but because it will eventually turn out to be very economical beneficial  for the Alliance, with no overpopulated ''acid waste slum'' to represent, the Alliance lost a big moneysink.

You've been pretty soundly refuted on this tangent like a dozen times, I don't think anyone is interested in seeing you repeat this nonsense.

Good for you,

Also it's not nonsense it's profit.

[marshalleck]

Nah, it's just you spamming one of Zulu's pipe dreams.

[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Nah, it's just you spamming one of Zulu's pipe dreams.

I rather call it the propgation of common sense.

[Aetika]

So if I have to choose one race to destroy in order to save universe, then certainly not humans. Don´t think it´s paragon choice to sacrifice my own people though. Actually it seems to me more like renegade one. I am afraid I would still choose Tuchanka.

[SandTrout]

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Nah, it's just you spamming one of Zulu's pipe dreams.

I rather call it the propgation of common sense.

It's common sense to abandon the industrial and population base of your species in order to increase the profit of the Colonies?

First off, the only person that has called Earth an 'acid waste slum' Was Director Anoleas (SP?) from Noveria, and he was pretty openly anti-human in general. That is the equivalent of using the KKK as a source on how you're going to deal with Harlem.

Secondly, Zulu's speculation that Earth is a money sink for the Alliance in general is a false pretense. There is a relatively viable historic precedent to reflect on in US history. ME Earth is like the American North East during the 1800's. The colonies are like the Western and Southern states of the same era. The South and the West had the raw materials, weather it was agricultural or mineral, while the North East held the majority of the manufacturing capacity.

All parties benefited from the trade between them. The South and West could get manufactured goods that they did not have the capacity to produce, while the North East got all the raw materials needed to fuel their factories.

Allowing Earth to fall would result in the Colonies no longer having access to the vast industry of their home-world, forcing them to trade with aliens for more expensive goods, or use more of their energy in manufacturing when it would be better spent producing the materials.

[Massadonious1]

marshalleck wrote...Preserving your species should be the goal. If you're unable to achieve that, you've accomplished nothing and might as well have let the Reapers wipe everyone out and make a human slurpee.

Even if it assures victory? I'm pretty sure I'll have accomplished saved the galaxy and putting an end to a vicious extinction cycle that has been taking place for god knows how long, if that's the case. And I'll worry about the potential aftermath later. There wont be a decimated human population for the Batarians or anyone else to take over if the Reapers wipe everyone out before then. Let's tackle the more pressing problems first.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 26 juillet 2011 - 09:55 .

[SkittlesKat96]

 Maybe Earth...Earth has been around for much less longer and is a resilient big species with many other planets and resources.

That or the Krogan. To be completely honest they are easier to put down if they rebel and they are...kind of brutes. Maybe I'm being racist but I'm sure if Krogan were real (REAL Krogan) people would be secretly biased against them as well.

[Chuvvy]

What's this "if" you're talking about?

[dahoughtonuk]

I don;t want either to have to sacrifice Earth. Neither should have to do it. if Parago's do it's Should have played renegade. If renegades do should have played pargon. If both then it's reapers are unbeatable.

If a paragon or renegade have to sacrifice themselves. Its different. Our first priority is survival of our species, our second is stopping the reapers. Both paragon and rewngade are supposed to be about attitude more than politcs.

The Paragon in theory has a trickier mindset, trying to weave from the minefield of politics. The renegade takes the direct route.

But both should act in what they think is humanities best interests.

[Fixers0]

SandTrout wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Nah, it's just you spamming one of Zulu's pipe dreams.

I rather call it the propgation of common sense.

It's common sense to abandon the industrial and population base of your species in order to increase the profit of the Colonies?

First off, the only person that has called Earth an 'acid waste slum' Was Director Anoleas (SP?) from Noveria, and he was pretty openly anti-human in general. That is the equivalent of using the KKK as a source on how you're going to deal with Harlem.

Secondly, Zulu's speculation that Earth is a money sink for the Alliance in general is a false pretense. There is a relatively viable historic precedent to reflect on in US history. ME Earth is like the American North East during the 1800's. The colonies are like the Western and Southern states of the same era. The South and the West had the raw materials, weather it was agricultural or mineral, while the North East held the majority of the manufacturing capacity.

All parties benefited from the trade between them. The South and West could get manufactured goods that they did not have the capacity to produce, while the North East got all the raw materials needed to fuel their factories.

Allowing Earth to fall would result in the Colonies no longer having access to the vast industry of their home-world, forcing them to trade with aliens for more expensive goods, or use more of their energy in manufacturing when it would be better spent producing the materials.

Source?

Administator Anoleis does't have anything against humans in particular, all he really does is job which is to represent the executive board and to make a profit. to me he seems like a well traveled man that is acting in his company's best interest.

Were not talking about history here,this hast nothing to do with the relation between the Alliance and earth, they are both seperate entities, I base my information on that was is giving  by the game. both codex and background, i can't see how an historic analogy is relevant here,

That said, the Alliance was designed and created to operate outside of the solar system independant from earth, sure the suposedly act as representive body for ''humanity as a whole'' but they remain just a political-economial block for human profit.

How does this all work, now either by human settlers or by an alliance intiative colonies are founded, useally on planets with rich resourches or with other advantages, at the same time a lot of human companies went extra-solar, usally  interested in investing in colonies and working on a galactic scale, for their part the Alliance invests and protects in all the important colonies, the companies not only invest in those colonies, but also fund the Alliance because that is the only human safeguard in galaxy, the colonies profit from their investors and can use that back the alliance who protects them.

Keep in mind though that is is all based around the information that the Alliance should operate independantly from earth.

Now look at earth, it's highly overpopulated, probaly devoid of any kind of natural resources and most importantly, govermented by many different nations, with some of those not being able to progress further then the 20nd century, and If you say that earth funds everything, then let me ask you, Were do they get all that money from? and who gives money to Geth? 

So, now the reapers invade, earth is allready trashed from the moments the attacks started and then you stupidly decide to rescue people from earth even though probably 80% of shuttles get crushed by the reapers anyway, son now you're fleet is in ruins, Aliens do they same, their fleets also decimated, Reapers can eat the galaxy, end of story. 

 

[Fixers0]

Arcian wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Nah, it's just you spamming one of Zulu's pipe dreams.

I rather call it the propgation of common sense.

It's common sense if the only two sane people share the sentiment.

Fixed

[Seboist]

Sapha's right,I'd sooner have my Shepard go work for Harbinger than to allow those Asari and Turian maggots to flourish at the expense of humanity.

[Vilio1]

If there's one thing I hate about the Mass Effect universe, it's the overused "Humans Are Special" trope.

-> Good bye Earth.

Modifié par Vilio1, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:00 .

[Vilma]

I might be tempted to sacrifice Thessia, as I believe the Asari would have the best chance to survive without their original homeworld. I could still be convinced to sacrifice Earth too, if the reasons were good enough.

[dahoughtonuk]

The two homeworlds that are obvious to a sacrifice are Rannoch and Thessia. Rannoch is not essential, but it would be useful for the Quarian's. They just need a place to stash their civilians. Rannoch's just the best option. The Geth don't need it and can mine the remains.

Unless the major router is on Thessia the Asari will only have a blip in there government, and have a widely enough spread population.