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 Scrolling through my tumblr timeline today I passed several long diatribes about what a stupid and horrible and disappointing thing it was to have the FemShep designs presented at SDCC posted up for voting on Facebook. Image IPB

Really? Really, we’re going to complain about this?

You know what, it’s true that there should have been an “iconic” female Shepard presence from the very beginning. Yes, there should’ve beenmore emphasis on the customisability of Shepard including her sex during the initial marketing things. No, it shouldn’t bea big unique thing to have a female protagonist in a game that’s far more than a flouncing piece of ass and a bare midriff on the screen for 40+ hours, and it shouldn’t be a lot to ask that the alternate choice is presented as a significant thing.What people seem to be forgetting here is that the gender and sexuality equality movement is one that progresses forward through monumental force in exchange for baby steps.

Without extended protests or indeed anything that could possibly be construed as a monumental effort, what we have gotten in exchange for a couple of threads on a single forum and some e-mails is a pretty big goddamn stomp of a baby step and I think we need to pay attention. I’m not saying that the battle for equality and recognition is over — Because it’s not and it won’t be for a long time. What I am saying is that this is like teaching a kid to walk. The correct response to a child’s first steps is excited praise, a cuddle, a big hug and encouragement to step forward more. The incorrect response is snivelling and whining that Junior hasn’t run a triathlon yet and that is what I am seeing here. I have not seen a single positive post about BioWare’s steps forward on this issue.

Think back to when ME1 was released a few years ago. Now this is only a few years ago but that actually emphasises my point. The option to have some of the characters be for all intents and purposes bisexual for whomever was playing Shepard was nixed at the last moment. Due to what? Societal pressure? Fear of reprisal? The truth is often a combination of many things coming together. My point with this is that since then the world has continued to change around us and we’ve continued to rise up and be loud — We’ve gotten games like Dragon Age 2 in response where all of the available love interests would be available to the player no matter their gender and I remember seeing official artwork of female Hawke.

We need to keep pushing, but we also need to acknowledge what’s been put out there for us in response. I am unconvinced by the complaining about the FemShep options put up on Facebook for voting as a bad decision, just as I am unconvinced by the ‘dudebros’ whining about FemShep fans ‘stealing resources from the game.’ We need to continue to be loud but our voices need to be positive, too. We need to act like we bloody appreciate what we are given so that we will be given more.

Someone obviously thought about us when they asked for those pieces of art to be made. Someone obviously gave us consideration and thought we’d want to have an easily accessible way to vote for what we liked best. This was done for us, the absolute least we can do is acknowledge that if it isn’t perfect, it’s at least something in the right direction. We complain about our choices when we don’t have them. We complain when we do.One last thing.

As for people complaining about the blonde FemShep being chosen as the most popular?

Of course the blonde one was chosen as the most popular. Why do we see all these girls running about with mile-long platinum blonde straightened hair? Because that’s the look people go for nowadays. I liked the short choppy black hairstyle. I’m still not complaining.

Modifié par Sorrel, 25 juillet 2011 - 02:39 .


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fighterchick

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People like to complain about everything; even complaining about other people's complaining.

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Well said, Sorrel! 
We want to encourge Bioware not discourage.  While there are always things that someone won't agree with the fact that they did spend the time and they gave us a choice is terrific.  And it must be very frustrating for BW to take that step forward and still receive a mass of complaints. 

It's unrealistic to think that a videogame can be be tailored to meet each and every one of the individual needs, fantasies and desires of millions of players. 

As the saying goes, "You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."  

And as you say, why wouldn't fans choose the blonde Shep since blondeness is often highlighted in all kinds of marketing as ideal.  Personally I liked Shep #4 the best....although my own canon is blonde. 

Again, excellent post!

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How meta of you. :D
I just want people to be a little more positive when it comes to this stuff. Negative reinforcement really doesn't work that well when it's all that's used.

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Sorrel wrote...

How meta of you. :D
I just want people to be a little more positive when it comes to this stuff. Negative reinforcement really doesn't work that well when it's all that's used.


How right you are.  Interestingly enough there's an increasing body of psychological research demonstrating that in childrearing, telling a kid what you want him/her to do is far more effective than telling him/her what you don't want him to do.  For some reason telling a kid what you don't want increases the likelihood that he'll do it. 

Positive works!

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I am just glad they´re putting so much effort for female Shepard. It has never been big deal for me which gender I play in game, and when it is allowed to make female character it is just part of the fun to play a great game.

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I don't know if this is a exaggeration, but I agree adding a female default Shepard is a good thing... Bioware didn't have to do it, I doubt it will change the sales of the game or anything like it, but for me, is a big deal. And, as I said, a positive one.

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+1

I don't agree with everything you said but most of it.

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I think the fact that the annoucement was something as -relevent- to -all- shepard fans was a -lie-
It was an annoucement aimed at all fans of -female- shepard.

If you don't use femshep, have never used femshep, don't even use femshep, how this annoucement that many waited for weeks to hear was in any way relevent to them can be seen as deceptive.

If they had just been honest from the start and said "all femshep fans come and wait in line for hours we have great news for you" that...would have been fine.

I don't care if bioware took extra time to make femshep models for fans of femshep to vote on. I'm glad to see it gives femshep fans something to contribute to.

What I do care about is the fact it was -aimed- at -all- fans of shepard, and a lot of them were....like , uh...where is the news for -me-

Again just to clear it up.... would have been fine if the annoucement was aimed at the right audience.

To put it in a context you can understand clearly.

"We want all fans of shepard to turn up, possiblly book an afternoon off work if you work weekends, drive hours to get here, maybe even put yourself up in a hotel at your own expense to listen to this annoucement that affects all shepards of all genders and orientation"

Which is what they implied by saying "all fans of shepard"

Not...

"Hey fans of femshep we have an extra special annoucement for you", which would have allowed people to stay at home knowing that it wouldn't affect them....


I'm delighted there is something extra for the femship fans

I'm annoyed they announced it as something for -all- fans of shepard.

Hell I could care less if female shepard got -even more- attention and actual in game -perks for being female, so long as it's not announced as something relevent to -all- fans of shepard.

Modifié par stewie1974, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:11 .


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@stewie

That's a fair point, but also here's where we get into the subjective issue of relatability and personal importance.
I would think that having an alternate character appearing in official advertisements and on ME products would affect all Shepards out there, so, I can see where they were coming from. Anything to do with sex and gender is a really slippery slope.

"To put it in a context you can understand clearly."

Haha it's cool, I got what you mean from the first bit of your post!

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I am very happy Bioware is showing the love to Femshepard

but

I have to agree with the above post, it is not relevant to ALL shep fans.

also....nothing wrong with blondes, I married one

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This is not a win for femShep fans. This is a win for "sex sells". Let's sex femShep up to capture a bigger market. Sorry, Sorrel, this is not a win, but an insult.

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stewie1974 wrote...


"We want all fans of shepard to turn up, possiblly book an afternoon off work if you work weekends, drive hours to get here, maybe even put yourself up in a hotel at your own expense to listen to this annoucement that affects all shepards of all genders and orientation"


*blinks*  Surely people taking an afternoon off of work, driving hours to an event, and staying at hotel  would be for more than just a  BW announcement that one can easily see on line....   If not, well then wow....they do have power!   

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wait how was femshepard sexed up now???

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 Its still bad they are holding the poll on Facebook where any retard can vote ME fan or no. This is why I feel the Blonde is winning.

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Kyrene wrote...

This is not a win for femShep fans. This is a win for "sex sells". Let's sex femShep up to capture a bigger market. Sorry, Sorrel, this is not a win, but an insult.


Okay, you're going to have to explain how a female protagonist in a central role in a game being acknowledged as being in a central role in the game is an insult because I'm really not following that at all


@TexasToast

Well, I can see why they'd do that. Most people who 'like' BioWare on facebook will play ME or at least know what it is. In addition, they'd want to make the choice available who didn't know. Facebook is also an absolutely huge social networking thing

Modifié par Sorrel, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:27 .


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Great post Sorrel. All I can say to you is not to worry about these complaints. You're on the side of the argument that's simply poised to win. This generation of AAA titles became so expensive to develop and such a risky investment (even with established brands and franchises) that it forced the publishers to look for more sources of incomes rather than just dudebro wallets.

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I'm fine with blonde girl getting the most votes. I mean, you're right, it was obvious.

But.. was all this even necessary? We already had a fine default femShep. Not overly pretty, but still very nice looking. She obviously looked like she saw some ****. This lady? She looks a bit.. too young to be in the military. To be Savior of the Galaxy, even.

The only thing that the current default femShep needed is just some tweaks. Her own head mesh (with nicer looking hair than current), like Sheploo. Possibly facescan of a similar to femShep default face?

And I honestly wtf'd at the Rihanna Shepard. Did she took a wrong turn or something? Doesn't BW realize that both male default and female default have to look at least a bit similar? *That* drastic of a difference is just too much.

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fighterchicks wrote...

People like to complain about everything; even complaining about other people's complaining.

Indeed. Complainers squared are the worst.

In any case, I am in complete agreement. Well done, OP.

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Just curious is that Noah Wyle in the picture at the top?

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@Vegas Vance

It is Jack Davenport as James Norrington in Pirates of the Caribbean 2

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Kyrene wrote...

This is not a win for femShep fans. This is a win for "sex sells". Let's sex femShep up to capture a bigger market. Sorry, Sorrel, this is not a win, but an insult.

Uh wut? :huh::blink:

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This forum needs a like button. Wonderful post OP.

Kyrene wrote...

This is not a win for femShep fans. This is a win for "sex sells". Let's sex femShep up to capture a bigger market. Sorry, Sorrel, this is not a win, but an insult.


I don't even know why this has any relevance to the topic at hand. You think blonde = sex? What's wrong with you?

Modifié par Eshaye, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:34 .


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I find it amusing that people who don't like femShep are complaining that the announcement was geared towards all the fans. Kinda like all the Sheploo announcements: the Sheploo statue, Sheploo trailers, Sheploo art, etc. I don't remember those announcements being met with more than a "Meh, this isn't for me." followed by people moving on.

And what is this about Shepard being "sexed up"? Really? Her armor is a lot less blatantly sexual this time around. So, what is it, the shoulder-length blonde hair? Because that's just stupid and insulting to everyone to imply that that's overtly sexual.

BioWare has not impressed me since ME2, especially not with DA2, but this actually impresses me. Yes, this stuff should have been here since ME1, and we've been campaigning for this since well before ME1 came out. It's about damn time we got something like this, and you people whining about how it doesn't appeal specifically to you should realize that's how these things go sometimes, and that's how some femShep fans have felt for years. Get over it.

Props to BioWare for this decision, and props to them for finally adding a m/m romance. It's never too late to start making sense.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:37 .


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TexasToast712 wrote...

 Its still bad they are holding the poll on Facebook where any retard can vote ME fan or no. This is why I feel the Blonde is winning.


Yeah I really don't like the idea of a poll. There was no poll for Sheploo.