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[Biotic Sage]

DuckSoup wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

The real problem with having people vote on FemShep was that it was never really a question of which one would win. If the people in the sample of voters were mostly black, the dark skinned Shepard would have been chosen. Since the sample was mostly white and from western countries, the result is (of course) the blonde Shepard. The blonde woman is the white, western, judeo-christian ideal.

So not really a real "vote." But she still looks good haha

I don't believe that if it was put to a black community to vote, that they would automatically vote for a black option (that said, I wouldn't blame them if they did because frankly there aren't enough black lead roles in games)

I also don't think it has anything to do with a "white, western, judeo-christian ideal" First, that's almost like suggesting that everyone is a Neo-N@zi because they liked the blonde Shep more than the others. Second, I chose the 5th design NOT for her hair colour, but because the style was better (and many other people have also said this). 

It's only natural for white people to role play a white Shepard and for black people to role play a black Shepard.  Sure there are a few exceptions, I'm talking about in general, when you get a large enough sample size, you will see a "same race" preference.  And the blonde woman being the western ideal is completely true; just look anywhere in the media (the most fun place to look would be playboy).  It's not neo-n@zi, it's just evolutionary/media-constructed.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 25 juillet 2011 - 07:53 .

[Eurhetemec]

T764 wrote...

You would think that being a skilled developer Bioware would be capable of designing and choosing the look of their own characters.

Well, all the FemSheps have exactly the same face, just different skin tones and hair, so they kind of did. I guess in the end they're just letting us pick the hair.

[MGIII]

stewie1974 wrote....

Don't forget , it's not just -femshep- fans voting for her appearance, but some young guys are definitely chosing a femshep they'd tap.

I'm a male gamer
I don't play femshep
I voted for number 5 because it's the one I consider most sexually attractive.
I voted with my genitiles......

Is she a feminist icon still?

I'm a male gamer.
I play femShep sometimes.
I didn't vote at all.

Everyone is different, and truthfully, the direction they went with the models avaiable is the best for driving interest and sales. The ONLY people who have a problem with this will be buying the game anyway.

[Dragoonlordz]

T764 wrote...

You would think that being a skilled developer Bioware would be capable of designing and choosing the look of their own characters.

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

[Nozybidaj]

From what I can see, the "problems with the FemShep response" is ungrateful people taking what was supposed to be a fun little way for the community to get involved and give input into the game and turning it into a giant whine-fest.  Not unexpected really, but there you have it.

[Eurhetemec]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

[Dragoonlordz]

Nozybidaj wrote...

From what I can see, the "problems with the FemShep response" is ungrateful people taking what was supposed to be a fun little way for the community to get involved and give input into the game and turning it into a giant whine-fest.  Not unexpected really, but there you have it.

I think your right..

[Dragoonlordz]

Eurhetemec wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

Read the original reply again. Keep reading till you get it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 07:57 .

[ciaweth]

Eurhetemec wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

Christina Norman, who was until recently a Lead Gameplay Designer for Mass Effect, used to solicit feedback on game mechanics via Twitter.  She just moved to Riot Games, though.

A couple of the other designers for BioWare do this on occasion.  Manveer Heir springs to mind.

[Eurhetemec]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

Read the original reply again. Keep reading till you get it.

Which page is that on?

[Eurhetemec]

ciaweth wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

Christina Norman, who was until recently a Lead Gameplay Designer for Mass Effect, used to solicit feedback on game mechanics via Twitter.  She just moved to Riot Games, though.

A couple of the other designers for BioWare do this on occasion.  Manveer Heir springs to mind.

I saw Christina's informal poll re: how we use heavy weapons. I've not seen any other polls though.

[MGIII]

ciaweth wrote...

Go back and read all the femShep threads, and you will see a large number of "Don't Tread on Me" posts by male gamers concerned that their interests will never be represented in a FPS again.    If that's not you, then no worries.

I'm part of the "femShep in promotionals" crowd, and this is not what I was asking for.  This marketing plays to the existing crowd and to the male gaze, not to a new market.  All the concern about femShep's appearance, in and of itself, is evidence that we're in crumb territory.  All we're meant to care about is how she looks, whereas maleShep gets marketed on what he can DO.

Now, if BioWare marketing comes up with a trailer in which female Shepard is a serious badass, and not Shepard Barbie who poses like a pinup, I'll eat my words.  I doubt I'll have to, though.  My guess is that Shepard's going to be cocking her hip and flirting in the trailer.  Wait and see.

The marketing plays to an untapped female market (aged around the age femShep five looks) which the "femShep in promotion" crowd claimed exist. Girls that liked Tomb Raider or Metriod Prime, or Final Fantasy or Resident Evil. Girls who disliked shooters because they didn't have women featured in them. All looked twentysomething, and, in the case of JRPGs, even younger.

And I have no doubt that femShep will do exactly what they have maleShep do. They'll just swap between them in trailers, they won't split marketing.

Modifié par MGIII, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:02 .

[ciaweth]

Eurhetemec wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

Christina Norman, who was until recently a Lead Gameplay Designer for Mass Effect, used to solicit feedback on game mechanics via Twitter.  She just moved to Riot Games, though.

A couple of the other designers for BioWare do this on occasion.  Manveer Heir springs to mind.

I saw Christina's informal poll re: how we use heavy weapons. I've not seen any other polls though.

In recent memory, she's also asked for feedback on modes (i.e., if you use casual/insanity/whatever, did it feel right?  adjustments needed?) and on what new melee moves people could suggest.

[Dragoonlordz]

Eurhetemec wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Would you also prefer they didn't ask you about features you would like to see in the series such as the mako, weapon upgrades, story and gameplay mechanics? Instead just ignore all popular opinion and do whatever they want with fans not having any say..

They haven't asked about any of these features, what are you talking about?

Christina Norman, who was until recently a Lead Gameplay Designer for Mass Effect, used to solicit feedback on game mechanics via Twitter.  She just moved to Riot Games, though.

A couple of the other designers for BioWare do this on occasion.  Manveer Heir springs to mind.

I saw Christina's informal poll re: how we use heavy weapons. I've not seen any other polls though.

Doesn't make any difference whether it's a poll or a forum thread which is used to gauge what people want to see in game. His/her response was they shouldn't have asked the fans and just did what they want, the same can be applied for all the other things polls and threads which are used to decide what fans want.

The few on here complaining are not going to change the views of the 20,000+ (more than double it's closest rival), or the majority even on these forums who also voted for 5 and I'm guessing even if you did a vote within the femshep diehards group that people keep claiming they are part of and that noone who want's 5 are supposedly, the results would still be the same.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[sponge56]

Im not really that interested in femshep but I thought the announcement was both cool and also a long time coming

[Eurhetemec]

MGIII wrote...

The marketing plays to an untapped female market (aged around the age femShep five looks) which the "femShep in promotion" crowd claimed exist. Girls that liked Tomb Raider or Metriod Prime, or Final Fantasy or Resident Evil. All looked twentysomething, and, in the case of JRPGs, even younger.

And I have no doubt that femShep will do exactly what they have maleShep do. They'll just swap between them in trailers, they won't split marketing.

That's a market? I know tons of female gamers who like Metroid and FF games (and other JRPGs), but I've never met a female gamer who was more than "meh" about Tomb Raider or Resident Evil. It'll be interesting to see if it works.

[MGIII]

Eurhetemec wrote...

MGIII wrote...

The marketing plays to an untapped female market (aged around the age femShep five looks) which the "femShep in promotion" crowd claimed exist. Girls that liked Tomb Raider or Metriod Prime, or Final Fantasy or Resident Evil. All looked twentysomething, and, in the case of JRPGs, even younger.

And I have no doubt that femShep will do exactly what they have maleShep do. They'll just swap between them in trailers, they won't split marketing.

That's a market? I know tons of female gamers who like Metroid and FF games (and other JRPGs), but I've never met a female gamer who was more than "meh" about Tomb Raider or Resident Evil. It'll be interesting to see if it works.

The market of, basically, games where females are featured prominently, if not outright the main playable character. Female gamers would play them because they were represented, which was the main argument made to put femShep in marketing.

Modifié par MGIII, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[LPPrince]

Eurhetemec wrote...

MGIII wrote...

The marketing plays to an untapped female market (aged around the age femShep five looks) which the "femShep in promotion" crowd claimed exist. Girls that liked Tomb Raider or Metriod Prime, or Final Fantasy or Resident Evil. All looked twentysomething, and, in the case of JRPGs, even younger.

And I have no doubt that femShep will do exactly what they have maleShep do. They'll just swap between them in trailers, they won't split marketing.

That's a market? I know tons of female gamers who like Metroid and FF games (and other JRPGs), but I've never met a female gamer who was more than "meh" about Tomb Raider or Resident Evil. It'll be interesting to see if it works.

Oh, the market's there. You have NO IDEA just how many female Tomb Raider fans are happy that the rebooted Lara Croft is more realistic than the previous incarnations with breasteses fit for buoyancy.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Eurhetemec wrote...

The Minority wrote...

Joke's on you! She's not a natural blonde!

At any rate, your logic is completely idiotic.

She isn't? Wow, that makes her position totally unreasonable, but okay.

Thanks for proving that Internet White Knights still exist in force though.

Yep, totally. I'll even break through walls to defend her now that I know she's blonde. See?



Mate, if you post stupid things such as this. I will be forced to mock you, and I will do it well. 

In any case, the argument boils down to a difference of opinion. How you managed to conclude her's was insulted is beyond me. Had she highlighted "imo" in big bold capitalized letters, would that have dissuaded you? Perhaps she could have worded it a little less forceful but your perception of the intent seems a little off. Chalk up to good ole frustration derived from a society that loves blonde jokes.

This wasn't done for FemShep fans, This was for a target audience of young males prolly 16-24. So they could have some "eye candy".. It's obvious in how young she looks (and I have nothing against young heroines, but Shepard is 32 years old.) And b4 you start w/ ," well, it's the future..gene therapy...etc., " Sheploo looks 32 years old. And he looks damn good, imo. FemShep should not look 19. And on top of that...Rihanna hair.

Actually, you could well be mistaken. Shepard's body was supposedly mere meat and tubes prior to her reconstruction. We can therefore theorize two plausible outcomes. She is built differently, perhaps younger, which is partial accurate due to ME2's superior graphical overhaul, and more notably, she may in fact no longer age at a comparable rate to that of a normal human. We have no idea the improvements Miranda and Cerberus embedded into Femshep, thus for all intended purposes, she could be a youthful twenty-nine. Now I hope I do not need to dig up pictures of women at that age who appear significantly younger.

FemShep is an awesome character much to the credit of Jennifer Hale's voice acting. She strikes a fine balance between strong and feminine. FemShep is a wise; kick ass, experienced warrior woman. What we got was a Spice girl audition.

While BioWare may be marketing her for sexy appeal to a certain extent. Permit me a demonstration of true exploitation...



Still think BioWare is going out of their way to appeal to those "drooling males aged 17-24?" 

By the way, I would fall into that category (age wise, not drooler wise) and not make your conclusion of her appearance. I just happen to like #5 the most, not that I even intend to use a default Femshep.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:16 .

[Sundance31us]

I should just like to point out that not all female gamers play female characters.

[Eurhetemec]

LPPrince wrote...

Oh, the market's there. You have NO IDEA just how many female Tomb Raider fans are happy that the rebooted Lara Croft is more realistic than the previous incarnations with breasteses fit for buoyancy.

Huh, interesting. Maybe it's an age thing. Most of the female gamers I know are 27-33-ish, and have zero interest in Tomb Raider (tons of Nintendo fans, FF fans, WoW fans, and so on though). Maybe those a bit younger actually liked Tomb Raider a bit more.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:23 .

[Eurhetemec]

Sundance31us wrote...

I should just like to point out that not all female gamers play female characters.

That's certainly true, though with MMOs at least, female players prefer female characters much more strongly than male players prefer male characters (90% of female players have a female main, whereas only 65-70% of male players do). No idea how this works out outside MMOs.

[LPPrince]

[quote]Eurhetemec wrote...

[quote]LPPrince wrote...

That's a market? I know tons of female gamers who like Metroid and FF games (and other JRPGs), but I've never met a female gamer who was more than "meh" about Tomb Raider or Resident Evil. It'll be interesting to see if it works.
[/quote]

Oh, the market's there. You have NO IDEA just how many female Tomb Raider fans are happy that the rebooted Lara Croft is more realistic than the previous incarnations with breasteses fit for buoyancy.
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Huh, interesting. Maybe it's an age thing. Most of the female gamers I know are 27-33-ish, and have zero interest in Tomb Raider (tons of Nintendo fans, FF fans, WoW fans, and so on though). Maybe those a bit younger actually liked Tomb Raider a bit more.
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There seems to have been a quoting mishap there. lawl

[LPPrince]

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