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[Massadonious1]

littlezack wrote...
Or they just thought people would be mature about it and not need a picture on the cover to validate their in-game choices. My guess.

If that is the case, then they grossly overestimated.

[marshalleck]

littlezack wrote...

The Edge wrote...


As for why it was addressed only after the first two games? Simple. BioWare never anticipated that so many females(as in, literally half the females at my old high school came with N7 shirts ME2 release, as did about half the males, including your's truly) would actually play their game.

Or they just thought people would be mature about it and not need a picture on the cover to validate their in-game choices. My guess.

God forbid femShep get the inside cover of the Collector Edition only. What an unreasonable ****, amirite?

[CroGamer002]

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[Phaedon]

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[Rail Tracer]

I don't care which one was chosen, I'm just happy the finally put the effort in and did it.

What I really want to happen now is that ME1 & 2 are patched so the new femshep presets are available in those games.

I would SO replay both again if they did.

Modifié par Rail Tracer, 26 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .

[CroGamer002]

@Phaedon kinda made her eyes bigger then wanted.

Didn't want to re-create her.

[littlezack]

marshalleck wrote...

littlezack wrote...

The Edge wrote...


As for why it was addressed only after the first two games? Simple. BioWare never anticipated that so many females(as in, literally half the females at my old high school came with N7 shirts ME2 release, as did about half the males, including your's truly) would actually play their game.

Or they just thought people would be mature about it and not need a picture on the cover to validate their in-game choices. My guess.

God forbid femShep get the inside cover of the Collector Edition only. What an unreasonable ****, amirite?

Like it really matters either way.

[Vilma]

Here is a nice anti-polling, pro-Jane 1.0 blogpost from BitMob, in case someone is interested. FemShep Shouldn't Need Your Aprroval. Granted, we've already expressed most of the arguments.

[Aggie Punbot]

Rail Tracer wrote...

I don't care which one was chosen, I'm just happy the finally put the effort in and did it.

What I really want to happen now is that ME1 & 2 are patched so the new femshep presets are available in those games.

I would SO replay both again if they did.

Sorry to burst your bubble but if they're unwilling to patch the games to fix their Conrad Verner import bug, they're certainly not going to make the effort to do that.

[CrazyRah]

A really well made post Sorrel and i agree with it so much

[Star]

And another blonde heard from:

[DJRackham]

Arxduke wrote...

Either way, It kind of doesn't matter much to me as I will just play Sheploo. As long as this new FemShep doesn't draw in huge perverted crowds I am good.

Sheploo caught my attention in a trailer, and ever since then I have been a fan of ME. I think he does the job just fine, I mean he grabbed all of us, didn't he? Through his actions, cool moves, or whatever, he are here because of BioWare and Sheploo.

I do like the new FemShep however.

No, Sheploo did not "grab me". I was given Mass Effect 2 by Bioware as a "reward" for having purchased Dragon Age 2. I've played Femshep almost exclusively since. I purchased Mass Effect 1, mainly to follow Tali's story from the beginning. I've pre ordered Mass Effect 3 due to the story. Sheploo had NOTHING to do with it. For me, Shepard is female. And for the record, I am a straight, white male who has no problems with strong female charactors.

[Vilma]

DJRackham wrote...

Arxduke wrote...

Either way, It kind of doesn't matter much to me as I will just play Sheploo. As long as this new FemShep doesn't draw in huge perverted crowds I am good.

Sheploo caught my attention in a trailer, and ever since then I have been a fan of ME. I think he does the job just fine, I mean he grabbed all of us, didn't he? Through his actions, cool moves, or whatever, he are here because of BioWare and Sheploo.

I do like the new FemShep however.

No, Sheploo did not "grab me". I was given Mass Effect 2 by Bioware as a "reward" for having purchased Dragon Age 2. I've played Femshep almost exclusively since. I purchased Mass Effect 1, mainly to follow Tali's story from the beginning. I've pre ordered Mass Effect 3 due to the story. Sheploo had NOTHING to do with it. For me, Shepard is female. And for the record, I am a straight, white male who has no problems with strong female charactors.

I almost never watch trailers of games I haven't played before (unless they're part of a series, like ME2 & 3). As for Mass Effect series, It was recommended to me by (male) friends. The said (male) friends also suggested that I'd better stick with FemShep, because of the voice acting. To be honest I haven't even tried male Shepard - although I've seen him being played - but at this point it would be fairly difficult to me to try him. To me, ME is clearly a woman's story.

Feel free to disagree.

[Firewolf99]

Okay, obviously I am either: A) incredibly thick or Incredibly unobservant, and I realise that this is slightly off topic but: Who/What the heck is Sheploo?

And, though I don't like the idea of a Blonde Shepard personally (I just don't picture her that way), It's only a default. And it'll only apply if you dont carry on a save game from the previous Mass Effect's anyway. None of my Male Shepards looked like the default Shepard (Who looks like Cole, Sam Fisher, Max Hazzard, Anonymous grunt number 255 et al.), so I don't see why an advertising picture matters all that much.

[Vilma]

Firewolf99 wrote...

Okay, obviously I am either: A) incredibly thick or Incredibly unobservant, and I realise that this is slightly off topic but: Who/What the heck is Sheploo?

The default MaleShep. I thought he was designed after Ramin Karimloo, but apparently it was some guy called Mark Vanderloo.

[Jebel Krong]

Sorrel wrote...

 Scrolling through my tumblr timeline today I passed several long diatribes about what a stupid and horrible and disappointing thing it was to have the FemShep designs presented at SDCC posted up for voting on Facebook. 

Really? Really, we’re going to complain about this?

because it's not enough to campaign for an individual femshep, it's got to be everyone's personal femshep up there, too.

Sorrel wrote...
You know what, it’s true that there should have been an “iconic” female Shepard presence from the very beginning.

no actually there shouldn't. they decided to market the game around a single, recognisable face, that happened to be male. it has nothing to do with gender politics as much as you and every feminist tries to make it so, it's about selling a brand. which you can't do if you start throwing multiple versions of the same character around. it might not be to your taste, but it's how advertising to the masses works.

Sorrel wrote...
Yes, there should’ve beenmore emphasis on the customisability of Shepard including her sex during the initial marketing things. No, it shouldn’t bea big unique thing to have a female protagonist in a game that’s far more than a flouncing piece of ass and a bare midriff on the screen for 40+ hours, and it shouldn’t be a lot to ask that the alternate choice is presented as a significant thing.

i agree with this - and it's not a big deal in this day and age, and every single preview i remember reading for mass effect 1 pointed out the customisation out. the numbers also back it up: if only 11% play as a default shepard appearance, then it shows the message got across. the fact that only 18% bother playing as a femshep shows that the market for that is relatively insignificant, nothing more - does this mean she should be given special status, a big push, being put on the box? for what - something only a few percent of players will ever see/appreciate? and what everyone forgets is that these percentages come after ME2 has been out for 2 years and everyone has played multiple times/combinations, that ever will, what were the metrics 2 weeks after launch when the significant proportion of the audience - the more casual players - were playing?

Sorrel wrote...
What people seem to be forgetting here is that the gender and sexuality equality movement is one that progresses forward through monumental force in exchange for baby steps.

it has nothing to do with "gender equality", as above... and "baby steps"?! how condescending are you, exactly? you don't "teach" bioware anything through your/others like you' interactions, whatever you think your influence is.

Sorrel wrote...
Without extended protests or indeed anything that could possibly be construed as a monumental effort, what we have gotten in exchange for a couple of threads on a single forum and some e-mails is a pretty big goddamn stomp of a baby step and I think we need to pay attention. I’m not saying that the battle for equality and recognition is over — Because it’s not and it won’t be for a long time. What I am saying is that this is like teaching a kid to walk. The correct response to a child’s first steps is excited praise, a cuddle, a big hug and encouragement to step forward more. The incorrect response is snivelling and whining that Junior hasn’t run a triathlon yet and that is what I am seeing here. I have not seen a single positive post about BioWare’s steps forward on this issue.

'extended protests'? really you should listen to yourself, it's pathetic, really. (and the rest of your post i'm ignoring because you veered in S/S territory, which is totally unrelated and you have no evidence for any of bioware's motives for adding or cutting content.

[KyreneZA]

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[idoless24]

Vilma wrote...

Here is a nice anti-polling, pro-Jane 1.0 blogpost from BitMob, in case someone is interested. FemShep Shouldn't Need Your Aprroval. Granted, we've already expressed most of the arguments.

Excellent link. This is exactly how I feel on the matter. We were not given a choice to vote on what the iconic maleshep looked like and this poll is a step backwards and almost blatant pandering. Everyone posting on this thread should try to give this link a read. It's a step forward and two steps back.

[Captain Crash]

Hey mods.  Why has this been moved to offtopic?


The thread title states its about Femshep and the content included is about her and Mass Effect.  


Not sure why this has been taken outside Mass Effect discussions when the topic is based on whats currently happening surrounding her and ME.   Any explanation to the move?

Modifié par Captain Crash, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:46 .

[KyreneZA]

idoless24 wrote...

Vilma wrote...

Here is a nice anti-polling, pro-Jane 1.0 blogpost from BitMob, in case someone is interested. FemShep Shouldn't Need Your Aprroval. Granted, we've already expressed most of the arguments.

Excellent link. This is exactly how I feel on the matter. We were not given a choice to vote on what the iconic maleshep looked like and this poll is a step backwards and almost blatant pandering. Everyone posting on this thread should try to give this link a read. It's a step forward and two steps back.

I tried to say this on page one already. Don't expect much traction for your opinion.

[idoless24]

Captain Crash wrote...

Hey mods.  Why has this been moved to offtopic?


The thread title states its about Femshep and the content included is about her and Mass Effect.  


Not sure why this has been taken outside Mass Effect discussions when the topic is based on whats currently happening surrounding her and ME.   Any explanation to the move?

Hm. Didn't even notice that. Any answers mods?

[Captain Crash]

Jebel Krong wrote...

no actually there shouldn't. they decided to market the game around a single, recognisable face, that happened to be male. it has nothing to do with gender politics as much as you and every feminist tries to make it so, it's about selling a brand.

Oh look Jebel has appeared again to try a belittle and label femshep fans again.

Or is it the fact Bioware are "Cowing to the feminist Agenda"  again?    Honestly why do you label all femshep fans as feminist just because they feel she deserves some recognition?   Im male, feminist politics are low on my list of philosphies!   Marketing her has nothing to do with feminism!


Your are right when you say its about selling a brand.  Something Sheploo has done for two games by himself. But you know theres this crazy idea that Bioware actually want to market femshep!    If Bioware thought for one moment showing femshep would hurt the brand image then they wouldnt do it!  Simple as. They want to attract new players and market a strong female. Attract a new audience essentially.  Look how successfull its been so far and its not blowing over as easily as you expected as Bioware themselves are pushing femshep and her marketing! 


Honestly do you make it your goal to come into threads about femshep just to call all her fans feminist and these "feminists" are forcing Biowares hand?  As said its Biowares choice in the end not ours or yours.  Personally your persistance still makes me believe as I pointed out in the post below to you a while ago that your just bitter that you been saying femshep wont ever get any marketing for over a year and you were wrong.

http://social.biowar...7703642#7703762


Fact is its happened.  Whether it was deserved or not is not longer an issue because she is being marketed. Maleshep will still dominate but its certainly nice to see her get into the limelight at long last

Modifié par Captain Crash, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:23 .

[Sorrel]

Feminist =/= Female
Feminist =/= Having a Feminist Agenda
Feminism =/= A Bad Thing

Feminist Supremacism is a bad thing
Misandry is a bad thing
Misogyny is a bad thing

That's not what any of this is about. It's about recognition in a positive light and seeing the other choice as valid and equal. And also attracting a wider audience.

[Sorrel]

Jebel Krong wrote...
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LOL. Oh boy.
So I'm a condescending 'feminist' pushing an agenda for feeling that sex should always be equally represented. Yeah, okay mate.

I really do feel there should've been the duality of the choice presented from the beginning. It might've attracted a wider audience and it's a good move to finally be doing that, "feminist agenda" (ROFL) entirely aside. 18% is by no means an 'insignificant' market. That's a pretty decent chunk actually. That's a lot of people.

As for the concept of baby steps -- This applies to a lot of things in society/modern culture/whatever you want to call it. Change doesn't happen instantaneously. It takes time for new ideas to erode old ones. That's what I mean.

As for S/S territory not being relevant, with respect I disagree. The issue of sex, gender, and sexuality have always been closely interlinked.