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[Shepard Lives]

Hot damn, OP. Good thread. Wish we had more people like you.

[KyreneZA]

Sorrel wrote...

Feminism extremists are every bit as loathsome as patriarchal oppressors.

Gonna try and fit that in my signature.

[James2912]

Sorrel wrote...

@stewie

Feminism extremists are every bit as loathsome as patriarchal oppressors.

I don't think for one bleeding second that Sheploo should be replaced by Shepette, all I think -- and all the majority of FShep fans think -- is that she should be presented astride him. In alternate trailers, in alternate posters, alternate standees... Like when a magazine prints special editions that have more than one cover.

I'm a big sheploo fan and I agree with this advertise both! I mean it comes down to Why not?

[shepskisaac]

Kyrene wrote...

As an apology for two massively popular games without her being even once a poster face? That's not really sexist is it? One marketing campaign with Jane 1.0 as the poster girl... it would have been (channeling King Cailan) GLORIOUS!

Yes it is sexist. From the objective POV it just is because you promote a game with only one gender available. Honesly, to me it sounds like you want a revenge. That's just as if I was campaigning to remove straight male romances from ME3 after there weren't any gay male romances in ME1 & ME2. No. I want the most fair solution ASAP for everyone. Past mistakes are past mistakes.

[Liec]

This is like a complain cornucopia. A complaincopia.

Modifié par Liec, 25 juillet 2011 - 04:16 .

[James2912]

IsaacShep wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

As an apology for two massively popular games without her being even once a poster face? That's not really sexist is it? One marketing campaign with Jane 1.0 as the poster girl... it would have been (channeling King Cailan) GLORIOUS!

Yes it is sexist. From the objective POV it just is because you promote a game with only one gender available. Honesly, to me it sounds like you want a revenge. That's just as if I was campaigning to remove straight male romances from ME3 after there weren't any gay male romances in ME1 & ME2. No. I want the most fair solution ASAP for everyone. Past mistakes are past mistakes.

EXACTLY!  True words of wisdom right here! 

Modifié par James2912, 25 juillet 2011 - 04:18 .

[Sorrel]

@Kyrene -- uh, okay then? I assume you're taking that as some kind of personal slight?

I don't necessarily think you're a feminist extremist -- My mother was, I know aaaaaaall about that fun little parade.

What I do disagree with is that you want to replace Sheploo with Shepette as some kind of apology or payback. That's sexist and it's silly. Misandry is every bit as horrid as misogyny.

[Dragoonlordz]

While reading all the very small amount of minority complaints saying such things as they are insulted or offended about the choice being via popular vote, much like most other feedback selected and implemented as example weapon upgrades etc yet they don't complain when it's their choice picked.

Reminded me of Steve Hughes stand up routine where talked about such an issue... I thought was quite humorous,

What happens if you say that and someone gets offended? “Well they can be offended. What’s wrong of being offended?”

When did “sticks and stones may brake my bones” stopped being relevant? Is not what you teach children for god-sake? It’s what you teach toddlers!
-He called me an idiot!
-Don’t worry about it, he is a dick

Now you have adults going out “I was offended, and I have rights!”. And so what? Be offended, nothing happens. You are an adult, grow up, deal with it! Nothing happens when you are offended, like: “I went to the comedy show the other day and the comedian said something about the Lord, and I was offended, and I wake up in the morning, I had leprosy”. “I’ve being living in democracy but I never want to be offended again”.

Well, you are an idiot. How do you make a law about offending people? How do you make an offensive, to offend people? Being offended is subjective, has everything to do with you has an individual or collective or group or society or community, your moral conditioning, your religious beliefs, what offends me might not offend you, and you want to make laws about this?

I’m offended when I see boy-bands for god-sake. It’s a valid offensive, I’m offended! Their corporate shield posing as musicians to further a modeling career and frankly, I’m discussed. But what I’m going to do? Call the cops? “Hello, it’s me again. They are on the telly this time. Five of them, that’s it. Yeah, white suits, dancing like girls, that’s them. Five minutes? I’ll be out in the front door traumatized… byee”

~Steve Hughes (stand up comedian)

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 04:21 .

[Uszi]

The internet was invented for those who don't usually voice complaints due to polite social normality so that they may  become raucous twits in anonymity.

Great read OP, I agree completely.  I personally have thought the whole femshep thing has been awesome.

Modifié par Uszi, 25 juillet 2011 - 04:21 .

[littlezack]

Kyrene wrote...

Sorrel wrote...

I really disagree with that. I don't think Sheploo should be phased out at all. The male option is every bit as valid. Both ought to be shown.

I think replacing Sheploo with Shepette would be just as sexist as refusing to include her at all.

As an apology for two massively popular games without her being even once a poster face? That's not really sexist is it? One marketing campaign with Jane 1.0 as the poster girl... it would have been (channeling King Cailan) GLORIOUS!

Oh, calm down. You have this really strange faux-feminism thing going on, it's quite disturbing.

Sheploo has been the cover for two games now and appeared in far too much art - for all intents and purposes, he's the 'mascot'  for ME. They're not going to change that right at the end, and it would be silly to expect them to. Equality doesn't mean switching favoritism of one gender to another one; it's not a balancing act.

[idoless24]

This is a great OP and I completely agree. I'm just a bit iffy on the poll idea..but as Liec said this is getting a little out of hand.

Liec wrote...

This is like a complain cornucopia. A complaincopia.

[stewie1974]

Sorrel wrote...

@stewie

Feminism extremists are every bit as loathsome as patriarchal oppressors.

I don't think for one bleeding second that Sheploo should be replaced by Shepette, all I think -- and all the majority of FShep fans think -- is that she should be presented astride him. In alternate trailers, in alternate posters, alternate standees... Like when a magazine prints special editions that have more than one cover.

I agree, Personally I would not mind if the femshep or shepette was the -main- campaign and sheploo was an alterantive.

I just really hate extreme femisim...or any ism for that matter.

However the question of target audience comes up again.... who is the primary gaming market?

I'll highlight the term -primary-  I am aware there is a strong community of female gamers but are they the majority?

I don't want the marketing campaign caught up in sexual politics if it's only going to attract a small following and endanger the sales.

The marketing should attract the majority, what ever that is.....what ever gender, orientation, race, creed...

the alternative campaign should target the smaller market..... what ever gender, orientation, race, creed.

I'm not saying which shep is which.... I'm not a market researcher.

If it makes more market sense to use femshep as the icon then so be it.
If it makes more market sense to use sheploo as the the icon to sell it, so be it.

[KyreneZA]

Sorrel wrote...

@Kyrene -- uh, okay then? I assume you're taking that as some kind of personal slight?

I don't necessarily think you're a feminist extremist -- My mother was, I know aaaaaaall about that fun little parade.

What I do disagree with is that you want to replace Sheploo with Shepette as some kind of apology or payback. That's sexist and it's silly. Misandry is every bit as horrid as misogyny.

Would you believe I'm male? Did the avatar on the left not give it away? It was a compliment to your voice of reason.

Okay, okay, I'm convinced. Restitution cannot be by exclusion. Seems I've been South African for far too long.

[jojon2se]

didymos1120 wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

You get the feeling this is actually pandering to the sort of T&A gawkers who typically only play Sheploo anyways.

It's rather strange then that neither T nor A is much in evidence in the images people can vote on. 

Hehe, nice tweezer-pick.

One might point to a new, distinct overall slender frame and T:s and A that while they may not be dominating picture real estate, do "go well" with the whole ensemble: slim sporty, "firm and perky", one might say.

[BBK4114]

I like what you've said OP.

However, I surely hope they don't incorporate the hip dysplasia run they used for F!Hawke. That was terribly goofy looking. And unnecessary.

[Sorrel]

Kyrene wrote...

Sorrel wrote...

@Kyrene -- uh, okay then? I assume you're taking that as some kind of personal slight?

I don't necessarily think you're a feminist extremist -- My mother was, I know aaaaaaall about that fun little parade.

What I do disagree with is that you want to replace Sheploo with Shepette as some kind of apology or payback. That's sexist and it's silly. Misandry is every bit as horrid as misogyny.

Would you believe I'm male? Did the avatar on the left not give it away? It was a compliment to your voice of reason.

Okay, okay, I'm convinced. Restitution cannot be by exclusion. Seems I've been South African for far too long.

LOL! Well that's good then. I suppose I am too used to people sometimes taking what I say and attributing it to themselves wrongly.
In any case -- Nawyeralrigh' as they say here in Manchester.

[didymos1120]

jojon2se wrote...

One might point to a new, distinct overall slender frame and T:s and A that while they may not be dominating picture real estate, do "go well" with the whole ensemble: slim sporty, "firm and perky", one might say.

Yes, it's soooo drastically different from her previous body model.

[Captain Crash]

Well what really did we and Bioware expect with a poll with six options.  Of course everyone has an opinion and everyone wants to make sure theirs is heard.  Some of it is constructive. Some of it not so much.


However assuming that its on the whole negative is a bit presumptive.  People have grown attached to their protagonist and many care deeply about femshep.  As a result the way she looks is a big deal to some people.   I think this is a good thing in many ways as it shows the love she has.   The polls are popular as well as the threads on BSN right now.


Im sure Bioware knows the support for her is massive and this is an issue close to many peoples heart.  If they didnt then they wouldnt be making it such an event.   Its really good to see her get some much needed attention at last and Im very gratefull.  Something I know Bioware are well aware of

[shepskisaac]

Kyrene wrote...

Would you believe I'm male? Did the avatar on the left not give it away?

There's quite alot of girls role-playing male characters so most people learned not to assume a gender of a poster based on the character he/she rolls

[Hathur]

It's probably also relevant to point out that only people starting ME3 on a clean slate (not importing) will likely be able to even choose the new femshep face anyway.. since Bioware has mentioned we'll likely only be able to change a few things on our imported character (hair, etc).. and not choose an entirely new face.

I for one don't intend to play ME3 without an import... I haven dozens of Sheps from Me1&2 ready for import (all pretty much using the same face) to reflect various paths / decisions.... and I intend to stick to that.... not going to start a 'clean' game in ME3 just to use a new preset face.

So, meh... it's nice as boxart but that's about the extent I remotely care.

Besides even if I could choose the new preset for my old Sheps, I wouldn't... I (and I think like many others) have come to see / accept Shepard looking a very specific way (usually our custom Shep or just the original default sheps)... deviating from that look just doesn't make it seem like Shepard anymore.. at least to me.

[jojon2se]

didymos1120 wrote...

Yes, it's soooo drastically different from her previous body model.

Oh, Mass Effect armour design was always favourably "accentuating", no doubt, for both genders, but is certainly more flattering, or shall we say: "youthful", this time around. If you don't see it, I can only applaud your non-superficial eye.

Anyway, I don't know why I pollute the forums with my lousy opinions - I'll try to shut up now.

[BBK4114]

Hathur wrote...

It's probably also relevant to point out that only people starting ME3 on a clean slate (not importing) will likely be able to even choose the new femshep face anyway.. since Bioware has mentioned we'll likely only be able to change a few things on our imported character (hair, etc).. and not choose an entirely new face.

I for one don't intend to play ME3 without an import... I haven dozens of Sheps from Me1&2 ready for import (all pretty much using the same face) to reflect various paths / decisions.... and I intend to stick to that.... not going to start a 'clean' game in ME3 just to use a new preset face.

So, meh... it's nice as boxart but that's about the extent I remotely care.

Besides even if I could choose the new preset for my old Sheps, I wouldn't... I (and I think like many others) have come to see / accept Shepard looking a very specific way (usually our custom Shep or just the original default sheps)... deviating from that look just doesn't make it seem like Shepard anymore.. at least to me.

I agree with this.  I just would like higher-res hair. 

[Bourne Endeavor]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Its still bad they are holding the poll on Facebook where any retard can vote ME fan or no. This is why I feel the Blonde is winning.

Or maybe, just maybe. People happen to like the blonde the most? I know, it truly is astonishing fans of the series might happen to fancy that variation of Shepard.

Give your head a shake for asinine remarks such as this and accept the fact that just because their opinion differs from yours, they are not "any retard." I myself prefer long hair for women, and happen to like blondes, although red is always a favorite. Guess which got my vote?

For the topic itself, a +1 if there ever was one.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 25 juillet 2011 - 04:53 .

[stewie1974]

I think bioware should give codes for the new shepette you can use in ME 1 and 2 , though the hair is going to be difficult....but people do change their hair styles.....so..

[SarEnyaDor]

My complaint is that according to their own statitics 18% play as femShep, but with a popular vote the 82% who don't play her (and a portion of those are the people who scream on here how she shouldn't even be an option at all) get to dictate how she looks for those of us who DO play her, and I happen to hate the one those dudes are picking. LOL I have my custom femSheps, and will be sticking with them regardless of what default Jane ends up looking like. I just find it unfair that the same guys who a few months ago were on these boards telling us that we should be happy to even have an option to play as female because it was a waste of resources in a military game are the ones with the numbers to determine the outcome.

It is not BioWare that I am irritated at, it is the hypocritical voters.