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[Dr. rotinaj]

ciaweth wrote...

Yes, we all know, here on this board.  Forum posters typically make up about 2% of a playerbase.  Meanwhile, I cannot tell you how many women I've run into who would never have noticed Mass Effect if they hadn't heard via word of mouth, or via some non-EA, non-BioWare website, that a non-male Shepard was an option.  If ever there was a sign that BioWare's marketing department (well, EA's, really--look at the LinkedIn profiles for anyone in BioWare's marketing department and you'll see what I mean) is uninspired and missing out on an opportunity to earn dollars, this is it.

Yet this 2% is the only group complaining. Why should the fans of the game concern themselves with people who are indifferent or ignorant to the series? Leave the marketing to Bioware/EA and just enjoy the series you've loved since ME1.

[Pulletlamer]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

My complaint is that according to their own statitics 18% play as femShep, but with a popular vote the 82% who don't play her (and a portion of those are the people who scream on here how she shouldn't even be an option at all) get to dictate how she looks for those of us who DO play her, and I happen to hate the one those dudes are picking. LOL I have my custom femSheps, and will be sticking with them regardless of what default Jane ends up looking like. I just find it unfair that the same guys who a few months ago were on these boards telling us that we should be happy to even have an option to play as female because it was a waste of resources in a military game are the ones with the numbers to determine the outcome.

It is not BioWare that I am irritated at, it is the hypocritical voters.

I play FemShep. I have a Vanguard and Sentinel FemSheps. Custom face.

And I voted for 5. Seriously, people ,is that hard to understand?. I, as many other people, like number five.

Not because she's blonde, because if it was redheaded or with black/brown hair I would have still voted for her. I have said it so many times I'n tired.

Goddamit. It's a poll on Facebook. People vote for the one they like most. A percentage of these people never played a ME game before. And what? They well have right to vote. Or not?

In your opinion they shouldn't be able to vote?

Stop with the prejudices. If you don't like blondes you can vote another one, there's still plenty of time.

So don't see you point at all.

Stop being so stubborn about it.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:28 .

[ciaweth]

James2912 wrote...

As a predominatly sheploo player this new femshep modell has encouraged me to try femshep in ME3. Why haven't I played femshep before? I like to play myself in RPGs so identifying with a female RP player can be difficult. However now I have eye candy to look at so I'm willing to give it a try. Femshep players do you want more people to play as femshep? Or do you only want the "right kind of people?" Because the latter attitude is very annoying for most people. Nobody likes to be "them" in the them vs. us scenario it just makes people angry at the "true" femshep fans. Making you guys a hated minority because of a few loudmouths.

"Femshep players" is not a single ideological bloc, as you acknowledge with your "few loudmouths" comment, so no one can answer this question for you with any authority. 

Personally, the reason I want femShep marketing (and by that I mean quality femShep marketing) is to bring more people to Mass Effect.  ME1 and ME2 are good games.  They deserve to be noticed by people who ordinarily would think, "That's not for me, that's for Cheetobreath over there."  

As an aside, since you're giving advice on using appropriate tone here, I'd like to point out that you bring more credibility to the discussion table if you speak for yourself rather than claiming to speak for "most people."

[Eurhetemec]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

Like I have said before just because this feedback is in the form of a poll as opposed to people bashing each other over the head verbally via forums arguing to get their "vote or opinion" on a feature changed or implemented doesn't make it any less viable as a method for choosing what the fans want.

As a poll, it wasn't a very good poll. If they'd made it narrower or wider, it would have been more effective. For example, if all the FemSheps were blonde and white, and they just showed the different haircuts, or if they had every haircut with every hair colour with every skin-colour, both of those would have provided far more useful data if they wanted data.

My feeling is that they're just "testing the water", though, and they certainly won't be "bound" by the poll.

How long is a peice of string? Whats good enough or not good enough for each person is subjective.

You just failed your marketing exam, Dragoonlordz. This isn't a subjective issue, this is a matter of what question you're asking and what information you're trying to extract with the poll.

My point, which I think may be a bit over your head, sorry, is that BW aren't get very much useful data from this poll, because there are a lot of people voting for different things for different reasons. They could refine the poll to extract more useful data. Of course, maybe they'd already made their decision, and they're just polling for fun, who knows. Or maybe their poll is carefully designed and more clever than I think, though I don't think so.

[ciaweth]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Yes, we all know, here on this board.  Forum posters typically make up about 2% of a playerbase.  Meanwhile, I cannot tell you how many women I've run into who would never have noticed Mass Effect if they hadn't heard via word of mouth, or via some non-EA, non-BioWare website, that a non-male Shepard was an option.  If ever there was a sign that BioWare's marketing department (well, EA's, really--look at the LinkedIn profiles for anyone in BioWare's marketing department and you'll see what I mean) is uninspired and missing out on an opportunity to earn dollars, this is it.

Yet this 2% is the only group complaining. Why should the fans of the game concern themselves with people who are indifferent or ignorant to the series? Leave the marketing to Bioware/EA and just enjoy the series you've loved since ME1.

How do you figure?  You've clearly not been watching alternate channels--Twitter, blogs, etc.--where this femShep advertising is being discussed.  If you asked the people on those channels whether they're regular posters to BSN, I bet you'd get a resounding "Hell no, because that place is a sewer."

[RPGamer13]

Well, I for one, am glad they decided to come up with different looks.

And though I'm hoping 4 is the one I voted for so naturally I hope it's the one they use. Well, number 6 and the redhead would be cool if my choice doesn't make, really anything but blonde, but that's just me.

Still, whatever happens I am still excited at the fact that they have presented us with a choice and that whatever is decided will be advertised so more people will know about the fact that you can play a female character and maybe even convince them to give it a try.

[Eurhetemec]

DuckSoup wrote...

Maybe the vote was simply supposed to be a bit of interactive fun?

Just an idea.

If so, they might have wanted to make that a little more clear, but yeah, it's quite possible.

[Dr. rotinaj]

ciaweth wrote...

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Yes, we all know, here on this board.  Forum posters typically make up about 2% of a playerbase.  Meanwhile, I cannot tell you how many women I've run into who would never have noticed Mass Effect if they hadn't heard via word of mouth, or via some non-EA, non-BioWare website, that a non-male Shepard was an option.  If ever there was a sign that BioWare's marketing department (well, EA's, really--look at the LinkedIn profiles for anyone in BioWare's marketing department and you'll see what I mean) is uninspired and missing out on an opportunity to earn dollars, this is it.

Yet this 2% is the only group complaining. Why should the fans of the game concern themselves with people who are indifferent or ignorant to the series? Leave the marketing to Bioware/EA and just enjoy the series you've loved since ME1.

How do you figure?  You've clearly not been watching alternate channels--Twitter, blogs, etc.--where this femShep advertising is being discussed.  If you asked the people on those channels whether they're regular posters to BSN, I bet you'd get a resounding "Hell no, because that place is a sewer."

Sorry, I misread. I meant the fanbase is the group that's complaining.

[stewie1974]

ciaweth wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Just once, I would like to have a thread about femShep that does not devolve into nascent Men's Rights activists and their female apologists beating up the straw man of "extreme feminism."

No, let's just have endless ''Sheploo needs to die and be replaced by a woman'' posts. They are so much fun.

I've never seen a single one of those, so "endless" must be an exaggeration, but I hearby declare those posts Dumb as well.

There is one in this very thread.

Convieniant to miss when it disrupts your stance. Extreme feminizim is just a straw man, no feminist  would ever be capable of extreme anything, just men that are extremists, am I right? Yet of course that would imply that feminists are not equal if they can't do something.

Theres several threads on this board I've encountered where a few of these people who do not apparently exist have shared their world vision on a world with out men totally....as they are unnessary in this world where science can likely make a baby ...

It's not a straw man, these people exist.

If it's a joke, I'm not amused at jokes about genocide of a people who's only crime is being born.

I support womens rights, I support equality across the board, I do not support extremism when the goal of equality is replaced with fantasies of a male genocide, If that's not misandry tell me what is.

[Raiil]

Eh, I don't think the whole thing is worth slitting my wrists over. I just wish femshep didn't look like a goddamned Bratz doll.

[Captain Crash]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

Sorry, I misread. I meant the fanbase is the group that's complaining.

I think the majority of the femshep players dont really mind at all what she looks like and are just so pleased were at this stage!   Which is what the OP was trying to point out. 


As for the complaining.  I only see a small selection of people making an issue out of it.   A couple of dozen vocal people making mountains out of mole hills isnt enough to make the 20,000 votes for #5 any less valid.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:41 .

[Eurhetemec]

Valentia X wrote...

Eh, I don't think the whole thing is worth slitting my wrists over. I just wish femshep didn't look like a goddamned Bratz doll.

Ouch. Much as I don't hate 5 (second favourite), that "artfully messy" hair does scream Bratz.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Valentia X wrote...

Eh, I don't think the whole thing is worth slitting my wrists over. I just wish femshep didn't look like a goddamned Bratz doll.

How does blonde hair make her a Bratz?

Why exactly does Femshep have be some grizzled, scar riddled, super ribbed chick with a crew cut to be considered "tough" and "edgy"? Please keep in mind I am both intentionally generalizing and exaggerating here, so as not specify to anyone. I merely dislike this supposed notion that if Femshep dips into being more feminine she is immediately pegged a doll or whatever equivalent.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:48 .

[Raiil]

I wasn't referring to the blonde hair. I'm talking about all the femshep choices. They looked like something I'd buy for my four year old niece.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Eurhetemec wrote...

If so, they might have wanted to make that a little more clear, but yeah, it's quite possible.

Whatever it was meant to be, it's now a Serious Referendum and people here will hold Bioware to it... or scream at them with a fiery rage.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:46 .

[RhiPanda]

I don't think Valentia meant that the blonde hair makes her look like a Bratz doll, I think she meant the "artfully messy" hair. Which I gotta say, I agree with. Shep is a soldier ¬_¬ her hais should be tied back or cut short, that would be more practical for a soldier.

Modifié par RhiPanda, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:52 .

[Dragoonlordz]

ciaweth wrote...

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Yes, we all know, here on this board.  Forum posters typically make up about 2% of a playerbase.  Meanwhile, I cannot tell you how many women I've run into who would never have noticed Mass Effect if they hadn't heard via word of mouth, or via some non-EA, non-BioWare website, that a non-male Shepard was an option.  If ever there was a sign that BioWare's marketing department (well, EA's, really--look at the LinkedIn profiles for anyone in BioWare's marketing department and you'll see what I mean) is uninspired and missing out on an opportunity to earn dollars, this is it.

Yet this 2% is the only group complaining. Why should the fans of the game concern themselves with people who are indifferent or ignorant to the series? Leave the marketing to Bioware/EA and just enjoy the series you've loved since ME1.

How do you figure?  You've clearly not been watching alternate channels--Twitter, blogs, etc.--where this femShep advertising is being discussed.  If you asked the people on those channels whether they're regular posters to BSN, I bet you'd get a resounding "Hell no, because that place is a sewer."

Yeh nothing quite like quoting fictional source as a generalisation to back up your opinion. I could say most people are on twitter, blogs etc right now talking about how femshep should have a beard, just because I say it's happening doesn't mean it is.

[Ryzaki]

Valentia X wrote...

I wasn't referring to the blonde hair. I'm talking about all the femshep choices. They looked like something I'd buy for my four year old niece.

Now that you mention it... * 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Ah, my mistake then. I suppose you could make that comparison although I happen to like the hair. That "messy look" is also widely regarded as the best in ME2 should you have access to modding to acquire it.

[Eurhetemec]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Whatever it was meant to be, it's now a Serious Referendum and people here will hold Bioware to it... or scream at them with a fiery rage.

Hehehehe, I hope not. I'm pretty okay with them sticking with 5, I just personally hope they do something a little different to Sheploo, and let us customize the hair (and maybe skin/eye) colour without resorting to mods.

Of course, even if they don't, so long as ME3 doesn't hate mods, we'll "fix" it our own way if we need to.

[Dragoonlordz]

Eurhetemec wrote...

You just failed your marketing exam, Dragoonlordz. This isn't a subjective issue, this is a matter of what question you're asking and what information you're trying to extract with the poll.

My point, which I think may be a bit over your head, sorry, is that BW aren't get very much useful data from this poll, because there are a lot of people voting for different things for different reasons. They could refine the poll to extract more useful data. Of course, maybe they'd already made their decision, and they're just polling for fun, who knows. Or maybe their poll is carefully designed and more clever than I think, though I don't think so.

As mentioned earlier~

To be honest for most people including me, we see this moaning for what it is. People didn't get what they wanted picked (so far) so they attackboth the choices others have made and the method in which was made, butif want hypocites then look no further than themselves as if it was a) afeature they wanted and were ahead in the poll, I can tell you now they wouldn't be so negative about it.

Even when take that into account its only a truly tiny minority that are annoyed with it at all, other than them the majority are more about talking hair colour preference instead of methods of how data obtained and attacking each others reason for picking one over another.

A poll is a manner of gauging public opinion especially that of the fanbase of which being in a old femshep club doesn't make you the only ones that count. Popularopinion wanted weapon upgrades and they got it yet the moment popular opinion via poll on a femshep as opposed to long drawn out bickering before concensus is made for popular opinion starts they moan. They are free to moan all they want but we all know if was something they wanted that more specifically got what they wanted then they wouldn't be attacking other peoples choices and method for finding out what people want.

You don't as it stands right now get to pick the colour of each weapon upgrade in that example either do you yet I don't see you complaining about that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:58 .

[Eurhetemec]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Eh, I don't think the whole thing is worth slitting my wrists over. I just wish femshep didn't look like a goddamned Bratz doll.

How does blonde hair make her a Bratz?

Why exactly does Femshep have be some grizzled, scar riddled, super ribbed chick with a crew cut to be considered "tough" and "edgy"? Please keep in mind I am both intentionally generalizing and exaggerating here, so as not specify to anyone. I merely dislike this supposed notion that if Femshep dips into being more feminine she is immediately pegged a doll or whatever equivalent.

Do you understand that heavy eye-make-up and artfully messy, very pretty hair are not the same thing as being simply "feminine"?

[RhiPanda]

edit: oops double post

Modifié par RhiPanda, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:55 .