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[tvr321]

It's a game

[mineralica]

'sighs'

It's cheating because BioWare calls it cheating. If they would say "waving a handcerchief to your ME1 LI" it would be waving a handkerchief.

Same thing as "loyalty" of squadmates which has nothing to do with loyalty - it's just term. The real meaning of this term we'll find out in ME3

[KamikazeShepard]

1136342t54 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...
An email doesn't fix a relation, Actions speak louder than words. 

So if the VS is pissed off that Shepard is working for a Terrorist group that means its the end of the relationship? Honestly what can the VS do other than email? If the VS Joins shepard they would be betraying the Alliance. Neither Kaidan nor Ashley could do that. Especially Ashley since she had her family honor on the line.

Their isn't much they can do until the Suicide Mission is over and Shepard is brought back into the Alliance.

What can they do? They could not call him a traitor and show a little bit of trust. Tali managed to do that and she has better reasons to hate Cerberus than VS. VS showed zero trust, and thought I was the bad guy. And an emil doesn't mean much when there are much better ways of communication in the future like Video Chatting. It's hardly an apology when she can't say it to my face. And her email didn't even say if she wanted to have a relation. 

[IronSabbath88]

In my most recent Shepard's case, this applies totally. However, Liara took the fact that Shepard had moved on quite well, so I don't think I'll have any real problem in ME3.

[1136342t54_]

KamikazeShepard wrote...
What can they do? They could not call him a traitor and show a little bit of trust. Tali managed to do that and she has better reasons to hate Cerberus than VS. VS showed zero trust, and thought I was the bad guy. And an emil doesn't mean much when there are much better ways of communication in the future like Video Chatting. It's hardly an apology when she can't say it to my face. And her email didn't even say if she wanted to have a relation. 

Communications with a Cerberus ship are likely just taken down to an email. Actually it was just communicating with Shepard which is just through his email. The only reason someone like Admiral Hackett and maybe Anderson could do it is because they are high ranking members in the Alliance and Citadel. Having a convo with your girlfriend/boyfriend wouldn't be the best use of resources.

Now why wouldn't they see him as betraying the Alliance? Technically Shepard was betraying the Alliance. Remember the Illusive Man gave Shepard a choice about whether to work with him or go back to the Alliance. Shepard had to leave the Alliance and work with Cerberus. He had a good reason but when your a VS who has dedicated their lives to the Alliance and absolutely despises Cerberus for what they've done to humanity then Shepard working with them combined with all the feelings of Shepard coming back from the dead will not create a logical reaction.

I think Tali having a better reason to despise Cerberus isn't entirely correct. Sure Cerberus attacked the Fleet but to the VS Cerberus have done the worst things one could do for the sake of humanity's advancement. It portrays the Humanity in a bad light. For Kaidan Cerberus pretty match had Biotic Death Camps and are possibly responsible for making humans biotics and killing many of them. They are responsible for killing many in the Alliance Military and even supporting Terra Forma. Ashley is so pro Alliance that anyone who is willing to work for a group like Cerberus would be an enemy to her. It really isn't a surprise that she took that as a betrayal.

[Seboist]

1136342t54 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...
An email doesn't fix a relation, Actions speak louder than words. 

So if the VS is pissed off that Shepard is working for a Terrorist group that means its the end of the relationship? Honestly what can the VS do other than email? If the VS Joins shepard they would be betraying the Alliance. Neither Kaidan nor Ashley could do that. Especially Ashley since she had her family honor on the line.

Their isn't much they can do until the Suicide Mission is over and Shepard is brought back into the Alliance.

Except that Shepard wasn't working with a terrorist group.

[MegaBadExample]

InviolateNK wrote...

Cheated or moved on but be prepared to listen to the sound of breaking dishes in the Normandy mess

I can't wait! I always knew Kaidan was a big girls blouse.

[Sepewrath]

Your jumping to conclusions TC, no one said the ME1 LI is going to be jumping down Shepard's throat for cheating on them. Someone a few weeks ago, brought up a good way of handling it, since the ME LI seems to be there from the start, they could make it so that a romance is immediately available and then the ME2 LI is the one trying to airlock Shepard for cheating on them, which would be true in that case.

[Harid]

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Harid wrote...

There's no way that Bioware is going to let you get the moral high ground on this, despite making both romantic options in Mass Effect 1 blow you off completely when they see you in Mass Effect 2, and the fact that you cannot sleep with romances from Mass Effect 2 (and have them considered an actual romance,) before the point of meeting them both.

I am expecting to have to bow and scrape and beg no matter what happened outside of actually not romancing anyone else.

I highly doubt Shepard will ever bow down, especially my shepard. 

Your Shepard bowed down to Cerberus, I'm prettty sure your Shepard will bow down to whoever Bioware chooses for you to in the future.

[upsettingshorts]

Yeah repercussions stuff annoys me. The VS basically breaks up with you in the email, and it's been two years anyway - two years after a relationship that maybe lasted a couple months before Shepard died.

Hopefully, said repercussions are simply "drama" and not "you cheated on me."

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:24 .

[MegaBadExample]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yeah repercussions stuff annoys me. The VS basically breaks up with you in the email, and it's been two years anyway - two years after a relationship that maybe lasted a couple months before Shepard died.

Hopefully, said repercussions are simply "drama" and not "you cheated on me."

The email basically confirms that the VS still has the same feelings for you.

[upsettingshorts]

InviolateNK wrote...

Ah yes, "moving on"

Here is an objective timeline of the Shepard/VS relationship:

* Meet during mission to bring Saren to justice
* Have sex
* At most, a couple months pass.  May or may not continue borking in the Captain's quarters.  Assume that they do.
* Shepard dies, the crew is broken up
* TWO YEARS PASS
* Virmire Survivor eventually runs into Shepard for the first time by (something of a manufactured) coincidence, talk for a couple minutes
* They send one conflicted email

Liara, because she has BioWare Mandated Plot Significance, doesn't move on in the same way - whether you romance her or not.  She is objectively different than the VS in that respect.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the VS can't be jealous or feel hurt, or that they can't get back together with a little bit of drama, but "cheating" should absolutely not be the word applied.

MegaBadExample wrote...

The email basically confirms that the VS still has the same feelings for you.

An email that states such does not equate to an active relationship. Thinking that you resume boyfriend/girlfriend status after two years of seperation after one partner dies is completely absurd.

They can get back together - and the VS does show some interest in it, but they're clearly not together in Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:42 .

[Xarathox]

tvr321 wrote...

It's a game

This is the internet. Problems?

[upsettingshorts]

InviolateNK wrote...

Tell this to BW    Just focus on Collectors in ME 2 and your abstinence will be rewarded...maybe 

Who said anything about abstinence?  That's just crazy talk.

[naledgeborn]

How about this? If you "cheated" erm... moved on and don't try to re-initiate a relationship with your former love interest from Mass Effect there won't be any negative consequences.A snide or bitter comment now and then, but mostly just teasing from the former love interest.

However if you try to play Big Poppa with Ashley/Liara after the "engine room", "catharsis", or "unmasking" then you should pay severely. Same goes for Fem Shep when trying to be a she-pimp.

[redbaron76]

@ Seboist

Actually you are wrong. Cerberus is a terorist organization. Slo shepard working with them is a treason to alliance, sinc e officially he is awol since he still is on active duty roster of Systems alliance millitary.

[KamikazeShepard]

Harid wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Harid wrote...

There's no way that Bioware is going to let you get the moral high ground on this, despite making both romantic options in Mass Effect 1 blow you off completely when they see you in Mass Effect 2, and the fact that you cannot sleep with romances from Mass Effect 2 (and have them considered an actual romance,) before the point of meeting them both.

I am expecting to have to bow and scrape and beg no matter what happened outside of actually not romancing anyone else.

I highly doubt Shepard will ever bow down, especially my shepard. 

Your Shepard bowed down to Cerberus, I'm prettty sure your Shepard will bow down to whoever Bioware chooses for you to in the future.

But my Shepard destroyed the base.

[Corephyfish]

redbaron76 wrote...

@ Seboist

Actually you are wrong. Cerberus is a terorist organization. Slo shepard working with them is a treason to alliance, sinc e officially he is awol since he still is on active duty roster of Systems alliance millitary.

The Alliance consider Shepard dead,I'm sure they would have removed him/her from the roster so he/she can't be considered AWOL. Even once it is confirmed Shepard is alive I'm sure there'd be alot of paper work to go through before reinstatement.

[BBK4114]

Rojahar wrote...

Even if its not cheating, its pretty realistic for say... Ashley or Kaiden to consider it cheating anyway. Its just how people are when it comes to these kinds of things. You know, the ol' Ross n' Rachel.

Sheploo:  But we were on a break!

Ashley: For your information, it's not that common, it doesn't happen to everyone, and it is a big deal!

Kaiden:  I knew it! 

[FoxShadowblade]

bleetman wrote...

Hey, it's a bioware game. I imagine "repercussions" will translate into receiving an e-mail from Ashley telling you how much you suck.

From: Ashley
To: Shepard

You suck, go bang Miranda again.

Sincerely, strange poetess

Shepard: -looks up from computer to Ashley standing a couple feet away- "....****."