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[marshalleck]

Sell your soul to EA.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:39 .

[Savber100]

marshalleck wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I believe those ME2 planet entries are just a sign that BioWare needs to hire a Codex Guru guy.

 

They had one. He quit and went to work for ZeniMax Online Studios, a division of the company which owns Bethesda. 

Really? What was the reason for his departure (and what's his name)? I heard of a key lead in DA left after creative differences but I never heard about this "Codex Guru" from the ME team that left.

Modifié par Savber100, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:53 .

[didymos1120]

Savber100 wrote...
I heard of a key lead in DA left after creative differences but I never heard about this "Codex Guru" from the ME team that left.

No idea why the ME guy left, but that version of events about the DA guy (Brent Knowles) is forum myth.  He declined to be lead on DA2 because he felt it wasn't the style of game he preferred to work on, but he stayed on at Bioware for almost a year after that. He didn't leave until another project he was trying to get off the ground ended up going nowhere and there wasn't anything on the immediate horizon for him to work on. Plus he'd been wanting to do more writing for awhile (which is what he does now, having decided not to stay in the game industry at all).

Despite the fact that he explained all this in a couple blog entries, people still like to claim that DA2 made him quit.

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:04 .

[marshalleck]

Savber100 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I believe those ME2 planet entries are just a sign that BioWare needs to hire a Codex Guru guy.

 

They had one. He quit and went to work for ZeniMax Online Studios, a division of the company which owns Bethesda. 

Really? What was the reason for his departure (and what's his name)? I heard of a key lead in DA left after creative differences but I never heard about this "Codex Guru" from the ME team that left.

His name is Chris L'etoile and he wrote the entire codex, Ashley Williams in ME1, Legion in ME2, Noveria, and a host of other UNC missions in the first game. 

I don't know why he quit and won't speculate.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:30 .

[Seboist]

It's a damn shame Chris left Bioware.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

this is the number of human population :

[marshalleck]

Seboist wrote...

It's a damn shame Chris left Bioware.

Mass Effect certainly took a decidedly different direction with the departure of both Drew and Chris.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

 Mass Effect certainly took a decidedly different direction with the departure of both Drew and Chris.

Drew still works for Bioware though.

[marshalleck]

didymos1120 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Mass Effect certainly took a decidedly different direction with the departure of both Drew and Chris.

Drew still works for Bioware though.

Well yes, but he's not working on Mass Effect. I said Mass Effect took a different direction, not Bioware.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

Well yes, but he's not working on Mass Effect. I said Mass Effect took a different direction, not Bioware.

OK, I coulda sworn that said "Bioware". 

[Seboist]

Did Drew write Retribution before or after he went to go work on TOR?

[marshalleck]

Hah, happens to me too sometimes. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[Pride Demon]

I'm more inlined to believe it was the listing of Terra Nova as 4.4 millions to be wrong...
Maybe it was supposed to be 4.4 BILLIONS...

I mean, Arvuna, a moon of Dranen, an existing but cut-content planet controlled by the Alliance in the Caleston Rift, has a population of 348,785,500, being that it was first colonized in 2160 I have no doubt it's entirely human (and it's listed as human in fact), and it's basically 100 times the population of Terra Nova, in spite of the latter being the "most populous" human colony...

Terra Nova being 4.4 billions also puts Balak action on a whole new order of magnitude...

[marshalleck]

Seboist wrote...

Did Drew write Retribution before or after he went to go work on TOR?

That's a good question. I bet one could find out by looking at archives of his blog...I remember him writing various posts about his novels' progress, and his move to Texas. 

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Did Drew write Retribution before or after he went to go work on TOR?

That's a good question. I bet one could find out by looking at archives of his blog...I remember him writing various posts about his novels' progress, and his move to Texas. 

Well, he moved down to Texas well before ME2 was released. Retribution came out almost exactly a year ago, 7 months after ME2's release.  It's likely that he'd gotten started on it by then, but I doubt he'd finished it. 

[Pride Demon]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

 Of course there's also Trident, which was allegedly settled in 2144 (4 years before the discovery of mass effect physics by humans!) and has a population of several million.

Query: What is the best way to reconcile these Codex inaccuracies?

Trident wasn't a human colony, in fact its original name is not Trident and the capital was not originally named New Cousteau...
However a sizeable Cerberus enclave formed there and through intrigue and assasination managed to make so the human faction became dominant, leading to the renaming of both planet and capital and to the colony being listed as human dominated, you find out this by reading the entry on cerberus in the SB archives...

EDIT: Ninja'd by Saphra...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 26 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[Candidate 88766]

ThanesSniper wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

 Of course there's also Trident, which was allegedly settled in 2144 (4 years before the discovery of mass effect physics by humans!) and has a population of several million.

Query: What is the best way to reconcile these Codex inaccuracies?

Wow, a pretty big inaccuracy. There needs to be a Mass Effect historian position, like there is for Star Wars. Someone who gets paid to keep all the lore and facts organized so mistakes like these don't happen.

Are we sure Trident is a human colony? It could be an alien one that lots of humans happened to move to.

Damn, ninja'd.


As I think has been mentioned in this thread, the second most populus human world only has about 4.4 million, so the vast majority is on Earth. Or at the very least in the Sol system.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 juillet 2011 - 09:43 .

[Candidate 88766]

Pride Demon wrote...

I'm more inlined to believe it was the listing of Terra Nova as 4.4 millions to be wrong...
Maybe it was supposed to be 4.4 BILLIONS...

I mean, Arvuna, a moon of Dranen, an existing but cut-content planet controlled by the Alliance in the Caleston Rift, has a population of 348,785,500, being that it was first colonized in 2160 I have no doubt it's entirely human (and it's listed as human in fact), and it's basically 100 times the population of Terra Nova, in spite of the latter being the "most populous" human colony...

Terra Nova being 4.4 billions also puts Balak action on a whole new order of magnitude...

We can't really take it as canon though if it was cut. The population of that moon could easily have been a mistake too, and been cut when they realised it was much larger than Terra Nova.

[Pride Demon]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

I'm more inlined to believe it was the listing of Terra Nova as 4.4 millions to be wrong...
Maybe it was supposed to be 4.4 BILLIONS...

I mean, Arvuna, a moon of Dranen, an existing but cut-content planet controlled by the Alliance in the Caleston Rift, has a population of 348,785,500, being that it was first colonized in 2160 I have no doubt it's entirely human (and it's listed as human in fact), and it's basically 100 times the population of Terra Nova, in spite of the latter being the "most populous" human colony...

Terra Nova being 4.4 billions also puts Balak action on a whole new order of magnitude...

We can't really take it as canon though if it was cut. The population of that moon could easily have been a mistake too, and been cut when they realised it was much larger than Terra Nova.

I thought about it, but then again if that was the reason rather than cutting the whole planet a small correction would have been enough...
In fact, I reacently caught on a lot of cut content that I have no idea why was cut... One is a human space station in the Raheel-Leyya system the Migrant Fleet used as dock for some of their ships for instance, making this a quite important fact (the first time the Migrant Fleet passed through a human controlled sector)...
Unless we were supposed to have some mission there too that was later scrapped, I don't really understand its removal, but oh well...

[sedrikhcain]

There does appear to be inconsistency in the numbers. Even so, I don't see anything to minimize the significance of losing the homeworld. It may mean there are more places to go but you're talking about a diaspora of, what, 7 billion or so humans, considering that some will be killed in the invasion. That's a major impact on humanity.

[Ieldra]

Just saying this:

The idea that you could routinely transport a billion colonists to a planet within 30 years is ridiculous. Do the math:

Imagine a ship can carry 10k people. Imagine it takes a week to load the colonists, fly to the colony world, then another week for unloading them and fly back to Earth. That would make about 25 round trips per year and 750 round trips in 30 years.

750 times 10000 is......tadaa.... 7.5 million.

To transport about a billion colonists you'd need about 150 ships able to carry 10k colonists each, 100% dedicated to colonizing a single world for 30 years.

And that's not even taking into account that the infrastructure and food production facilities for the colony must be built. You can't just dump a million humans somewhere and say "build a colony". I think any mention of a colony having a human population of more than 10 million is due to the fact that Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale. Unfortunately, the guy who had a good sense of scale left the Mass Effect team.

And, btw, even if you multiply the colony population by 10 to include the likes of Joab and Anhur, that would still mean that Earth accounts for 90% of the human population.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2011 - 10:31 .

[didymos1120]

Ieldra2 wrote...

To transport about a billion colonists you'd need about 150 ships able to carry 10k colonists each, 100% dedicated to colonizing a single world for 30 years.

And that's just the people.  Where do they live?  What do they eat?  Drink?  What about medicines?  Seed stock? Livestock?  Are there special hazards on the world which require extra measures to deal with? Can the current military adequately patrol the region? Etc., etc., etc.

[Candidate 88766]

Pride Demon wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

I'm more inlined to believe it was the listing of Terra Nova as 4.4 millions to be wrong...
Maybe it was supposed to be 4.4 BILLIONS...

I mean, Arvuna, a moon of Dranen, an existing but cut-content planet controlled by the Alliance in the Caleston Rift, has a population of 348,785,500, being that it was first colonized in 2160 I have no doubt it's entirely human (and it's listed as human in fact), and it's basically 100 times the population of Terra Nova, in spite of the latter being the "most populous" human colony...

Terra Nova being 4.4 billions also puts Balak action on a whole new order of magnitude...

We can't really take it as canon though if it was cut. The population of that moon could easily have been a mistake too, and been cut when they realised it was much larger than Terra Nova.

I thought about it, but then again if that was the reason rather than cutting the whole planet a small correction would have been enough...
In fact, I reacently caught on a lot of cut content that I have no idea why was cut... One is a human space station in the Raheel-Leyya system the Migrant Fleet used as dock for some of their ships for instance, making this a quite important fact (the first time the Migrant Fleet passed through a human controlled sector)...
Unless we were supposed to have some mission there too that was later scrapped, I don't really understand its removal, but oh well...

Yeah, it was probably a cut mission. Some of the cut stuff looked really good - a confrontation between Mordin and Grunt would've been great.

[sedrikhcain]

Ieldra2 wrote...


To transport about a billion colonists you'd need about 150 ships able to carry 10k colonists each, 100% dedicated to colonizing a single world for 30 years.

And that's not even taking into account that the infrastructure and food production facilities for the colony must be built. You can't just dump a million humans somewhere and say "build a colony". I think any mention of a colony having a human population of more than 10 million is due to the fact that Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale. Unfortunately, the guy who had a good sense of scale left the Mass Effect team.

And, btw, even if you multiply the colony population by 10 to include the likes of Joab and Anhur, that would still mean that Earth accounts for 90% of the human population.

Just to play devil's advocate, colonization would have to be an enormous industry, with private companies all over the galaxy handling every aspect of the logistics. When you consider the number of worlds and companies that would involve, if the human alliance has the cash to pay up, a hundred dedicated ships a year doesn't seem all that far-fetched.

I do still say losing Earth would be a huge blow.

Modifié par sedrikhcain, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:14 .

[Ieldra]

Compare this:
Would the complete economy of the rest of the Earth be able to finance the build-up of a country the size of China from zero population and infrastructure to current levels within a timeframe of 30 years? I don't think so, and even if they were capable of it, the question is would they be willing. And that's the size of just *one* such endeavour.

I could go on with different scenarios of plausible colony development, but I don't have the time to write all that down. In the end, I think even the 4-5 million populations of established colonies is bordering the unbelievable after only 35 years, just because of the costs involved in creating infrastructure and food production facilities for so many people. But I can suspend my disbelief for that. Anything more, and we're going to need an explanation of a kind I can't envision at the moment.

Edit:
Compare colonial development in Peter F. Hamilton's "Night's Dawn" cycle. There you get a picture of how things are likely to go.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2011 - 11:50 .