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[dragonflight288]

Getting drunk at the brothel.

[Droma]

gamlen will talk to you after the dlc if he is the only one left of your family

[dragonflight288]

Ah. Dang, I played it after beating Meredith.

[Todd23]

Here are my thoughts, I will read your guys's in a second. Corypheus remembered everything. So then why does The Architect say he was born this way? The Magisters of old are of the most powerful mages and already worship the old gods, with the theory of Flemeth being that she is either the GB of Toth or Zazikale, if she new about them she would probably try and find someway to save their esences from the taint. (wich usualy includes killing them) Killing them herself would probably not be the best way to have them worship her... IF she didn't already know about them, two people she saved-Hawke & The Warden both end up meeting one, and in mine, killing them. Corypheus said that he's a magister and as such you should kneel, this suggests he came from a time before The Imperium fell, yet he brought the darkspawn. Could it be that Andraste didn't come until after the first blight?

[CruserBoii]

Going through it in Act 1. It's different from the last two times I've done it, which were both post-campaign saves. Bringing Anders, Varric, and Carver. I like how Carver mentions the expedition saying they might not need it if there's something valuable in this part of the deep roads, and Anders mentions he doesn't have any maps for the area either.

[atheelogos]

OMG what if Corypheus meets up with the Warden's son? I mean he is loyal to the old gods right and he has the soul of an old god.... Oh man I really hope Morrigan and the Warden raised their son right. If not things could get real nasty.

[atheelogos]

www.youtube.com/watch What if Sandal wasn't talking about the Morrigan's son? What if he meant Corypheus

[atheelogos]

Todd23 wrote...

Here are my thoughts, I will read your guys's in a second. Corypheus remembered everything. So then why does The Architect say he was born this way? The Magisters of old are of the most powerful mages and already worship the old gods, with the theory of Flemeth being that she is either the GB of Toth or Zazikale, if she new about them she would probably try and find someway to save their esences from the taint. (wich usualy includes killing them) Killing them herself would probably not be the best way to have them worship her... IF she didn't already know about them, two people she saved-Hawke & The Warden both end up meeting one, and in mine, killing them. Corypheus said that he's a magister and as such you should kneel, this suggests he came from a time before The Imperium fell, yet he brought the darkspawn. Could it be that Andraste didn't come until after the first blight?

" Corypheus remembered everything" I wouldn't say he remembered everything. He didn't know what he was and he seemed pretty confused as to what was going on so we must assume that some of it was a blur.

" Could it be that Andraste didn't come until after the first blight" Correct. She didn't go to war with Tevinter until after the first blight was done. She went to war when they were at their weakest. Thats why the people in Tevinter look at her as a greedy opportunist.

[Torax]

Andraste's great war with Tevinter started about 20 years after the Blight was considered finished at about 1020 TE. About 220 years after the Darkspawn first appeared on Thedas.

[jlb524]

atheelogos wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch What if Sandal wasn't talking about the Morrigan's son? What if he meant Corypheus

Sandal says that even when importing a non-DR save, so I don't think it has anything to do with Morrigan's kid.

[Jessihatt]

atheelogos wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch What if Sandal wasn't talking about the Morrigan's son? What if he meant Corypheus

I thought he was talking about the Maker?
I think the Old Gods are also the Elven Gods, but different names
There were seven Old Gods and nine Elven Gods. Perhaps one is Flemeth (even though they call her Asha'bellanar, they might not know she's one of their gods?) and one is the Maker? I think perhaps the Maker could be Fen'Harel?

I think there's an overlap in the religions of Thedas where Gods are concerned otherwise there'd be loaaaaads of almighty beings.

Back on topic, if the Golden City was already tainted, who could possibly have gone there already? 

[In Exile]

What's interesting is that when our "Magister" friend talks about the Golden City, he says they found blackness there. But the way he says it suggests that it may well be that the Golden City was not so Golden even from the start.

[Lilunebrium]

CommanderJessica wrote...

Back on topic, if the Golden City was already tainted, who could possibly have gone there already? 

Who says it actually has to have been made tainted? For all we know, it hasn't been tempered with at all, and what people call 'tainted' is actually simply it's original form, how it's always been.

Curse you, Legacy, and your conspiracy-theory-inspiring-thingamajing!

[Huntress]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sided with the ghoul and I have to say, I'm really interested in knowing what the deal is with Corypheus. Do you think he honestly was a Tevinter Magister or do you believe he was delusional? Does it get clarified if you side with the woman instead, or does that lead to the same confusion?

Makes me wonder if the Architect is a Tevinter Magister too.

The ghoul is going to spreed the taint plus what ever he carry inside.. great plan!

Both characters get possesed by that thing, but wich is the worst of the two? the ghoul or the mage warden.. i sided with the mage warden, am not letting lose a ghoul.. Ghoul carry the plague, the mage warden still need to find alies, she is probably heading to Tavinter.

It seems  the corruption started after they went to the black city but it appears the city was black before they even enter the veil.. That only mean 1 thing, the maker left before anyone had entered the city or maybe the maker was the one who corrupted the city.. Can a god get tainted? hmm, maybe the elves god have soemthing to do with all this, not just the tavinter god-dragons.

Modifié par Huntress, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[tmp7704]

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think there's an overlap in the religions of Thedas where Gods are concerned otherwise there'd be loaaaaads of almighty beings.

Sixteen total is hardly an overload. It's not uncommon for our own pantheons to have that many and more. And fictional universes can easily produce way more than that, depending on the settings.

[Jessihatt]

tmp7704 wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think there's an overlap in the religions of Thedas where Gods are concerned otherwise there'd be loaaaaads of almighty beings.

Sixteen total is hardly an overload. It's not uncommon for our own pantheons to have that many and more. And fictional universes can easily produce way more than that, depending on the settings.

Thedas doesn't seem all that big, but all the same the Old Gods were imprisoned and Fen'Harel sealed away the other Elven Gods. As people have said not much is coincidence 
Unless it is 

Lilunebrium wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...

Back on topic, if the Golden City was already tainted, who could possibly have gone there already? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Who says it actually has to have been made tainted? For all we know, it hasn't been tempered with at all, and what people call 'tainted' is actually simply it's original form, how it's always been.

Curse you, Legacy, and your conspiracy-theory-inspiring-thingamajing!

Urgh.. true.. it is located in the fade which I find fairly sinister anyway even if it does have good spirits residing there.

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:45 .

[tmp7704]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I meant he was trapped for 2000 years.

"2000 years, the magic holds" and whatever.

From the context, that quote quite clearly refers to how long the enchantments placed by the Wardens are supposed to hold -- 2000 years but they have to be every now and then reinforced because they weaken over time. Hawke's father being the last one to do that.

It doesn't mean Corypheus was actually trapped for this long. Near the beginning of the DLC you can find a letter from the early Grey Warden which describes Corypheus and says he should be captured and studied. Meaning when that letter was written Corypheus wasn't yet trapped.

[Wowlock]

It was a quite nice story. About Malchom Hawke and the Wardens..
The ending kinda inturigued me also. Whether if the Larius got possessed by Coriphious at the last second. I saw his eyes doing same black smoke thingy and how Larius' sound change when he acts all intelligent even after he is too far deep with his Calling....

I know there are rare cases of Wardens like Fiona ( from the novels ) can overcome the calling...but reversing it ? I have to say we gonna see Larius again...someday... Lets hope this Magister won't pull a ''Flemeth'' on us


And I really liked the dialogue. My party was Varric,Bethany and Anders... all 3 were really involved with it. I wonder what other member do if you choose to bring them ? I guess I may try that later.

The Epilogue part of the DLC was quite nice, even if you do this quest after Leandra's death, Hawke thinks of him having the conversation with her anyways... It was a nice little touch.

Overall I really liked the DLC.. and the Warden gear you get to collect I hope we can see more of these cool DLCs

[tmp7704]

CommanderJessica wrote...

Thedas doesn't seem all that big, but all the same the Old Gods were imprisoned and Fen'Harel sealed away the other Elven Gods. As people have said not much is coincidence 
Unless it is 

There's shared themes in many religions. Does it mean the god of say, war or trickery or love or whatever, that happens to be included in more than one religion must be one and the same being?

(speaking of which, there isn't much of overleap between the roles assigned to the individual Old Gods and to the members of the elven pantheon)

A lot of it may be not as much a coincidence but things which are actually intended to be separate... and it's just our brains' tendency to seek for patterns everywhere that trips us up.

[Torax]

http://social.biowar.../index/508455/3

David Gaider posted on the 3 main beliefs and how they pretty much lay between each other from his point of view.

Modifié par Torax, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:09 .

[Jessihatt]

Torax wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/508455/3

David Gaider posted on the 3 main beliefs and how they pretty much lay between each other from his point of view.

Ooh thanks.
I like the idea of "joining the dots" between everything :happy: Coryphaeus has sorta began doing that, whilst adding a whole load more of dots..

[Lilunebrium]

Torax wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/508455/3

David Gaider posted on the 3 main beliefs and how they pretty much lay between each other from his point of view.

Some clearing-up at last. Or well, less-obscure-making. More-intel-giving. Handing-us-a-background...-ing.
...Stuff.

Reading David Gaider's post has made me come back to the original theory that the City was in fact Golden at one time. Now to just get over the headache that is the Black-City-when-Magisters-arrived.

[dreamextractor]

Does Fenris get an LI specific scene? I noticed in one youtube vid that Isabela would talk to Hawke about Malcolm, even with Bethany there. Had Fenris in my party but Carver did that for me.

[Lilunebrium]

Something else I found in the The Chantry, The Maker, The Old Gods thread;

David Gaider wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
The Old Gods were not creators, though they were supposedly also not created. The Old Gods were outside of the Creator's Plan and showed up to whisper to mankind and teach them magic.

So..they co-existed with the Maker? 
Wouldn't that make them independent of the Maker's plan and thus his equals in terms of "godhood"? 
If so, who predates whom?

That's a good question.

Just when I thought I had a clear idea of how things worked, past-Gaider comes along and plants more suspicion, skepticism and speculation in my brain. Curse him.