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[llandwynwyn]

Pygmalin wrote...
But not by much, I mean think about timeline, The Deep Roads was only after the first year of them arriving at which time the blight was defeated and Anders Made it to Kirkwall after that as well, So Amerantine happened what 6 months after or less, so in essance he was only tainted a year maybe two years longer than Sibling. SO, my conclusion to that is it has to be Justice. 

Not only that but Carver/Bethany are active GW, serving for longer than Anders ever did, and many GW use itens that quicken the taint to help fight the darkspawn. I don't know if I read this in a codex, or if it was said in game , but I'm sure Duncan had a weapon that prevented this from happening to him.
Yeah, even if C&B didn't use anything, I think it was Justice, too.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:31 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Sebastian was totally hitting on Bethany in mine. That chaste little prince lays one finger on my sister, and he'll be singing soprano for the Starkhaven Chantry Boy's Choir, and no image of Andraste on his crotch will protect him.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Sebastian was totally hitting on Bethany in mine. That chaste little prince lays one finger on my sister, and he'll be singing soprano for the Starkhaven Chantry Boy's Choir, and no image of Andraste on his crotch will protect him.

I don't think Sebastian is as chaste as he let's on.  Hitting on Hawke's sister especially a female Hawke is just....wrong.  

Is you're PC a male/female Hawke.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:22 .

[Captain_Obvious]

I used my F!Hawke who romanced Fenris, used a post-game save. I don't remember exactly what Sebastian said to Bethany, but he was definitely scoping her out. It's always the quiet ones.

[riveraeg]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Pygmalin wrote...
But not by much, I mean think about timeline, The Deep Roads was only after the first year of them arriving at which time the blight was defeated and Anders Made it to Kirkwall after that as well, So Amerantine happened what 6 months after or less, so in essance he was only tainted a year maybe two years longer than Sibling. SO, my conclusion to that is it has to be Justice. 

Not only that but Carver/Bethany are active GW, serving for longer than Anders ever did, and many GW use itens that quicken the taint to help fighting the darkspawn. I don't know if I read this in a codex, or if it was said in game , but I'm sure Duncan had a weapon that prevented this from happening to him.
Yeah, even if C&B didn't use anything, I think it was Justice, too.

I don't mean to sound too thecnical, but that was the plot in the novel the calling.  In that novel the wardens recieved an item that would speed up the taint process, Duncan was ok because he had a magical dagger that protected him that he stole from the circle of Magi.

Typically, Wardens have 20 or 30 years (don't remember).  Some of them go a little quicker, some slower.  It comes down to the Wardens resistance to the taint.  But when the Wardens start hearing the music (like the darkspawn) they know that there life is ending. 

Anders is older than Bethany/Carver but it should not be that much or that meaninful. 

[Aggie Punbot]

What exactly does that Warm Orb do? I think you get it on the Carta hideout and Anders (if he's in your party) will say 'Does anyone else hear drumming?'

Also, this DLC does establish the fact that Hawke is, in fact, either 24 or 25 since Leandra was said to be pregnant when they left Kirkwall.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:35 .

[llandwynwyn]

riveraeg wrote...
I don't mean to sound too thecnical, but that was the plot in the novel the calling.

I knew I should've finished it, now I can't even remember I read this there...

Anders got down too quickly for it to be age (he's not that old) or his natural resistence.
I think he had a hard time because he was trying to resist "the voices" and control /Justice/ at the same time.

[stewie1974]

There is a bronto called Wanka.... seriously bioware.... do you have one in the US called Jerkoff?

[Giggles_Manically]

TS2Aggie wrote...

What exactly does that Warm Orb do? I think you get it on the Carta hideout and Anders (if he's in your party) will say 'Does anyone else hear drumming?'

Also, this DLC does establish the fact that Hawke is, in fact, either 24 or 25 since Leandra was said to be pregnant when they left Kirkwall.

Go back to the place where you first fought a bronto (yes all the way).
Then prepare for the most ass kicking fight in the DLC. 

[Jessihatt]

stewie1974 wrote...

There is a bronto called Wanka.... seriously bioware.... do you have one in the US called Jerkoff?

Ahahah! I know, I laughed so much when I saw it's name. 

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 27 juillet 2011 - 11:20 .

[Thessair]

JohnEpler wrote...

Choose Janeka, and then change sides at the end

Holy moly. I enjoyed the ever-loving heck out of playing through this way. By far my favorite of the four. It has everything! Awesome dialogue, action, cattiness! Well played, sir. I was greatly amused.

[autumnyte]

TS2Aggie wrote...

mrfinke wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

Does Fenris get an LI specific scene? I noticed in one youtube vid that Isabela would talk to Hawke about Malcolm, even with Bethany there. Had Fenris in my party but Carver did that for me.

I didn't come across any Fenris LI specific scene/dialogue during my playthrough

I did. It was with Anders, Fenris and Varric.

Fenris: Running from the Circle, running from the Wardens. I'm starting to see a pattern with you.
Anders: Running from Tevinter to Danarius. Running from Danarius to Hawke. I think you and I are a lot alike.
Varric: I've always thought so.

Actually, that isn't LI-related. You get that same banter when Fenris is a non-romanced friend/rival. It seems that it refers to him following Hawke as a general companion.

[Sepewrath]

I think Corypheus was legit, he would have no reason to lie and the whole "Get on your knees deal" I don't think anyone can be that entitled, if their simply confused. Throws a monkey wrench in the Chantry take on events, something I never believed to begin with. But if the city was black when they got there, is it possible the Darkspawn existed before the Magisters went in the Fade, if the two are actually linked.

[megski]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Sebastian was totally hitting on Bethany in mine. That chaste little prince lays one finger on my sister, and he'll be singing soprano for the Starkhaven Chantry Boy's Choir, and no image of Andraste on his crotch will protect him.

omg hahahahahahaha:D

[Spooky81]

Until now I've held a sort of aetheists point of view on the how darkspawn originally came about. I've figured science or some bizarre form of evolution was behind the creation of the Darkspawn, not divine action taken by the Maker as a result of the Tevinter Magisters defiling the integrity and very fabric of the Golden City with their sinful taint. After listening to Corypheus' insane rant, i'm starting to believe the original story is not far from the truth, lol. It'll be interesting to see where the story of the Darkspawn picks up from there.

[kablekarr]

What if the Golden city wasn't the throne of the maker, but some sort of prison that was holding the blight back. Maybe the old gods let it lose to spite the Maker (whatever he is)

[Sealy]

wondering if the Sebastian LI scene is effected by Bethany being in the circle or a GW?

[TheJediSaint]

On the notion that the Golden City may have been corrupted BEFORE the magisters breached it. I would like to make the point that it is possible that simply by the act of breaching the city did the magisters corrupt it. Hence why from Cori's point of view that the city was already corrupt when he entered it.

Now the question there is, was the corruption that infected the Golden City a result of the magister's wickedness like the Chantry contends? And let's be honest, everything we know about the ancient magisters does indicate that these people about as absolutely evil as you can get, their atrocities went so far as to WEAKEN the fabric of reality in some places. Or, was the corruption simply a result of the Golden City coming into contact with the mundane world?

I for one am willing to give the Chantry the benefit of doubt, their argument does suit the facts that we see in the game. But there is plenty of room for speculation and competing theories. I suspect that the developers enjoys watching us squirm as they slowly hint at to what is true in the DA universe.

[ArenCordial]

As someone who hasn't been impressed by Bioware's DLC save for LotSB, I actually enjoyed it. This DLC certainly left us with more to talk about the Witch's Wake. Here's what I took away from the story.

Correct me if you think something is off.

1.) The magisters who were original darkspawn still exist. Corypheus and most likely the Architect being two. They retain their vast skill with Magic but also appear to have some control powers over the darkspawn similar to an archdemon. Though the degree of control maybe variable.

2.) The Dwarves and Humans created the deep roads (at least around Kirkwall) and Kirkwall may have been the site where the Magister's crossed over to the Golden City. Got this from one of the notes in legacy and from the notes achievement in DA2. Also explains the presence of the profane in legacy and their ruins in DA2. Kirkwall, the City of Slaves gave the magister's plenty of slaves to sacrifice to power the spell as others have speculated.
      This maybe why everyone with messing with magic and lyrium (Templars and Mages) are off their rocker. I think the fade near Kirkwall maybe permanetely damaged or corrupted from the magister's actions.

3.) The Golden City was either previously corrupted or instantly corrupted by the magister's presence. If the former then perhaps the Golden City was never home to Maker but houses something else.

Now my turn for a question all this has me wondering. Why are the Old Gods calling to the darkspawn? Was the magister's actions part of their plan? Or does something else have plans for the Old Gods. The carriers of the taint are attracted to the Old Gods, but we've never found out why they would seem to have an even stronger call than the original darkspawn.

Thoughts?

Modifié par ArenCordial, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:48 .

[kdarnell]

I haven't played my legacy yet. started from scratch and wanted to eait until Act 2 or 3. But I'm runing into a problem romancing more than one companion. I wanted Fenris first then when he dumps me to go to Anders, but the flirt options either aren't there or when I try to get Fenris to stay at the estate after Bittter Pill he says no. WHATS UP WITH THAT!

Damn it, how am I supposed to get the really good LI banter if I can't get the game to let me romance the guys involved?

[PsychoBlonde]

Sepewrath wrote...

I think Corypheus was legit, he would have no reason to lie and the whole "Get on your knees deal" I don't think anyone can be that entitled, if their simply confused. Throws a monkey wrench in the Chantry take on events, something I never believed to begin with. But if the city was black when they got there, is it possible the Darkspawn existed before the Magisters went in the Fade, if the two are actually linked.

Yeah, I'm a bit ambivalent about that.  I do think Cory was legit, but one of the things I like about the series is that they haven't done the "all legends are true" trope (yet).  Notice how he doesn't refer to a golden CITY, just a golden LIGHT, which, when they arrived, was all black.  That could refer to any mystical valuable thing.  But it does sound like at least some of the Chantry's version of history is not completely inaccurate.

[ArenCordial]

I figure the Chantry probably got 85% of the story right. Its the other 15% thats the juicy part though.

[PsychoBlonde]

ArenCordial wrote...

Now my turn for a question all this has me wondering. Why are the Old Gods calling to the darkspawn? Was the magister's actions part of their plan? Or does something else have plans for the Old Gods. The carriers of the taint are attracted to the Old Gods, but we've never found out why they would seem to have an even stronger call than the original darkspawn.

Well, Cory mentioned that they were trying to reach a golden light--which could refer to any sort of goal, really.  Here's my theory (pulled fresh right out of my butt):

We still don't know what the old gods are/were.  What if they were mages who enacted some special form of magical trancendence and became dragons?  There have been a few vague hints toward this possibility (Flemeth telling Mage Hawke "you could never be a dragon").  Uldred talking about mages as the larval form of "something greater".

Now, what if it's ony rare mages who can manage the process to become proper "old gods"?  The Magisters may have figured this out and tried to cheat using blood magic, which resulted in them becoming darkspawn instead of what they wanted.  Having been created the way they were, they probably feel a terrible craving still for the state they were denied.  So the lesser darkspawn pick up this craving through the blight and seek always for the old gods slumbering beneath the earth.

It's just a theory--it doesn't explain why the old gods are buried under the ground, for instance.  Perhaps whatever the magisters did caused some sort of terrible damage to the old gods, who retreated into hibernation as a defense.

I dunno.  On the plus side, we may get to find out eventually here.

[Hitch Hiker]

ArenCordial wrote...

upted by the magister's presence. If the former then perhaps the Golden City was never home to Maker but houses something else.

Now my turn for a question all this has me wondering. Why are the Old Gods calling to the darkspawn? Was the magister's actions part of their plan? Or does something else have plans for the Old Gods. The carriers of the taint are attracted to the Old Gods, but we've never found out why they would seem to have an even stronger call than the original darkspawn.

Thoughts?

I think that the reason the old gods have a stronger call is because the Tevinter Magisters (the original darkspawn) worshipped them. They could have been the ones who sent the magisters to find the golden city. The answers probably won't be unveiled until the next game or later.

[Hitch Hiker]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

ArenCordial wrote...

Now my turn for a question all this has me wondering. Why are the Old Gods calling to the darkspawn? Was the magister's actions part of their plan? Or does something else have plans for the Old Gods. The carriers of the taint are attracted to the Old Gods, but we've never found out why they would seem to have an even stronger call than the original darkspawn.

Well, Cory mentioned that they were trying to reach a golden light--which could refer to any sort of goal, really.  Here's my theory (pulled fresh right out of my butt):

We still don't know what the old gods are/were.  What if they were mages who enacted some special form of magical trancendence and became dragons?  There have been a few vague hints toward this possibility (Flemeth telling Mage Hawke "you could never be a dragon").  Uldred talking about mages as the larval form of "something greater".

Now, what if it's ony rare mages who can manage the process to become proper "old gods"?  The Magisters may have figured this out and tried to cheat using blood magic, which resulted in them becoming darkspawn instead of what they wanted.  Having been created the way they were, they probably feel a terrible craving still for the state they were denied.  So the lesser darkspawn pick up this craving through the blight and seek always for the old gods slumbering beneath the earth.

It's just a theory--it doesn't explain why the old gods are buried under the ground, for instance.  Perhaps whatever the magisters did caused some sort of terrible damage to the old gods, who retreated into hibernation as a defense.

I dunno.  On the plus side, we may get to find out eventually here.

The old gods were powerful creatures. They may have been human or something that originated in the fade. But the interesting thing is that they always take the form of a dragon when they become the archdemon. I wonder what the significance of that is.