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[tmp7704]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

That assumes that the Maker actually exists, however, a fact that would completely destroy the entire essence of the DA setting because it would establish with finality that one side is right and the others wrong. 

I think it's sensible to presume some Creator does exist (or existed) given Mr.Gaider's rundown in the other thread, which outright stated that neither the Old Gods nor the elven gods were tied to the creation of the world. Alternatively, the world could've just sprung into existence, but that leaves us with conundrum of the Old Gods somehow winding up under ground, in position they're unable to get out from despite their godhood.

Also, i'm doubtful if such confirmation would really destroy the entire essence etc -- having confirmation that the Maker did exist at some point doesn't exactly mean his believers are right about the possibility of convincing him to return, or if he was indeed helping Andraste... or if he even still exists at all, for this matter. Anyone considered that maybe the gold city was filled with darkness because the Maker died there or underwent some sort of change, e.g.?

If you look at it from a certain perspective, the main thing that makes the protagonists of the games thus far important is that they have enough personal power to dig down into the veil of mystery and superstition that surrounds much of the world, because in Thedas, uncovering facts is an extremely dangerous undertaking riddled with pitfalls and traps. 

Can't say i ever got impression of the warden doing anything of that sort. Locating the Urn perhaps coming closest, but even that was mainly done by brother Genitivi. Hawke locates the ancient thaig but it only adds to the mysteries rather than explain anything. The Legacy changes that somewhat, of course. But other than that... dunno.

Modifié par tmp7704, 28 juillet 2011 - 11:07 .

[Morroian]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

I kind of wish the Chantry would be explicitly wrong about something. Just something, just so that the story doesn't keep pushing the "mages are responsible for all of society's ills" line.

It appears they're specifically wrong about the Tevinter Magisters corrupting the Golden City.

[Macropodmum]

alex90c wrote...

Macropodmum wrote...

I never noticed it in my last playthrough but I've just noticed my hawkes eyes are glowing. Anyone else get this?

You've drank an elixir of purity, load up a save prior to that and see if your character's eyes are normal, then drink it and see the difference.

Ahh, I did wonder as I was drifting off to sleep if it was one of the new potions....

[craneo99]

My opinion, Dumat sent the Magisters into the supposed Golden/Dark City because Dumat new full well that it was already tainted by him and his brothers they lost a great battle in the the city and were cast out. The elves speak of their version of Gods. The creators and the forgotten. The creators won the battle and cast the forgotten into the earth however this battle warped the fabric of the fade on the golden city side and now this is why the city is blackened. This being the case the magisters being deceived enterd the fade city and were immediately tainted beyond repair and cast down to the depths never even being able to encounter and battle the creator/creators since they are know in the beyond where only the eluvians or similar magic can reach. Just beginning add on if more ideas come to mind. Similar idea to what has been stated earlier.

[craneo99]

Basically their is now a curse of sin and taint on the city negatively affecting all who enter. I don't yet understand how Dumat still answers Cory or Hwke when items are on the alter if he was supposedly defeated unless he and the other Old Gods are sculpted after the Trinity and are seperate yet intertwined and since 2 Old gods are still in slumber and one is now with Morrigan the connection is not yet severed.

[Macropodmum]

I don't think the old gods die ( I may be wrong) but I had the idea that once an archdemon was killed the old gods essence either looked for a new host with the taint, or returned to it's prison...

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Matriach wrote...

Does anyone noticed that in a carta's note about assaulting Hawke's home, they mentioned to not attack the young dwarf? How do they realized that Sandal is dangerous?

I wonder if that dwarf that keeps hanging around your front door from Act 2 on, is part of the carta.  He bugs me everytime I walk out of my estate into hightown.  He will actually push you out of the way. 

Maybe the carta paid that guy who broke into Hawke's house to see what was going on inside????  I wonder what Sandal was doing while I was gone. 

Maybe Bohdan and Sandal have to keep on the run because of Sandal's abilities.  Just a thought.

[Meyne]

In my head-canon, Carver's Jig is really the Truffle Shuffle.  Also:

JohnEpler wrote...

Choose Janeka, and then change sides at the end

I did as you said, and I am filled with joy.

[Todd23]

I repeated Sandal's quote to my mom and she said it's talking about when god rises and removes a veil that's inbetween us and the world of spirits, the dead, and demons. She's never even heard of Dragon Age. (When in doubt, ask mom)

[noxsachi]

I took Carver, Varic and Isabela my LI. While the dialogue was thoroughly entertaining and I loved seeing more of Carver, I was disappointed that Isabela didn't get a very big role. There was the one throwaway line at the start about the Carta attacking and her being naked...but other than that no mention. And I hear Sebastianmancers even got a kiss! Did I just miss something as to why Izzy didn't really show off her love for Hawke, or do the non Anders/Seb LI's not get that big of a role?

Also is there any difference between the dialogue of a friend and rival Templar Carver?

[megski]

Meyne wrote...

In my head-canon, Carver's Jig is really the Truffle Shuffle.  Also:

JohnEpler wrote...

Choose Janeka, and then change sides at the end

I did as you said, and I am filled with joy.

I think this was my favorite part of the whole game.  "you don't deserve them griffons, biotch!"

[Steve236]

Maybe it was the Golden city when the Maker is home. and since hes not he would turn the lights off and it would become the black city. gotta conserve energy you know also these electrical bill are getting out of control!

[Mithrennon]

Very nice all around.
Other than Cory being awesome there are two main things that stuck with me most though. There was that line about the chantry knowing more about what actually happened that they're letting on which makes me think "ah, main plot for da3 hm?"
The other thing was Cory saying that if the party isn't a part of the Tevinter empire then they have to be slaves of the dwarves. I never liked their society much, individual dwarves being ok nonwithstanding. Seems their history isn't exactly redeeming their society either.

Anyways, here's to more like Legacy

[HighMoon]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Matriach wrote...

Does anyone noticed that in a carta's note about assaulting Hawke's home, they mentioned to not attack the young dwarf? How do they realized that Sandal is dangerous?

I wonder if that dwarf that keeps hanging around your front door from Act 2 on, is part of the carta.  He bugs me everytime I walk out of my estate into hightown.  He will actually push you out of the way. 

Maybe the carta paid that guy who broke into Hawke's house to see what was going on inside????  I wonder what Sandal was doing while I was gone. 

Maybe Bohdan and Sandal have to keep on the run because of Sandal's abilities.  Just a thought.

LMAO! I thought I was the only one who found that dwarf annoying as hell. It's like, seriously man, what do you want from me?! He seems to be expecting something.. or someone. Maybe he's a stalker? Got a crush on Hawke or Leandra maybe? Get lost ya lil' creep!

[NedPepper]

Did anyone else talk to Sandal right before playing Legacy? He says something else that's cryptic, that I hadn't heard before, but I can't remember now what exactly he said. It wasn't about the scary lady...it was something else. I was focusing on trying to enchant a weapon and wasn't paying close attention Eh, the fact that I can't remember it probably means it was nothing. Or maybe he always says it post game when you're stuck in the mansion. Gonna have to try again with another character.

[HighMoon]

Er, yeah.. I think you might be talking about his "old, scary lady" comment, which is not related to Legacy. As far as I can tell, he is referring to Flemeth. The woman can turn into a dragon, so it's certainly not implausible that she snuck in to Hawke's mansion one night, for whatever reason (perhaps to observe how her favorite "test subject" was coping?)

[Torax]

 What you probably heard Sandal talking about is a funny and scary prophecy from the little guy.

[Bryy_Miller]

Morroian wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

I kind of wish the Chantry would be explicitly wrong about something. Just something, just so that the story doesn't keep pushing the "mages are responsible for all of society's ills" line.

It appears they're specifically wrong about the Tevinter Magisters corrupting the Golden City.

It becoming abundantly clear that the Maker may not be a very nice person.

[Portia Cousland]

Matriach wrote...

Still, I don't think anyone can see that Sandal is dangerous just by looking at him....Maybe those carta have more awarness to the fade so that they can realize that Sandal is dangerous?

Interesting point - though I wonder if the carta recognize Sandal is dangerous because they are being controlled by Corypheus and he recognizes that Sandal is a threat to him? Very curious because I feel as though Sandal is an important key to all this.

[miraclemight]

@Bryy_Miller

I wish Lelianna would be around when that theory becomes a fact. >>

Modifié par miraclemight, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:59 .

[Crimson_Rose07]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Fenris... oh, I wish there was more from him, but his reaction to Anders plight was beautiful. Nothing related to Fenris as a LI though... very disappointing. Mind you, had no sibling with me in that one so maybe... the sibling would say something?
Fenris-Anders-Varric interaction was pure win. Varric-Carver-Anders was pretty good, surprised bro didn't say anything about Anders though (Carver was templar).

Also, Hawke herself was sucky until I played my witty warrior who had the most hilarious lines ever.

I did a play through w/ Fenris/Isabela/Varric in Act 1 w/ female warrior Hawke. The banty was not as good as w/ other party members, but there were a few new lines between Fenris & Isablea that I hadn't heard. I did have some dialogue w/ Fenris after I opened that last magical cage & killed the desire demon. Fenris says, Your father seemed like a wise man who loved you all. What is it like to hear his voice again?"  

I haven't played w/ Fenris/Varric/Anders. I'll have to try that.

I agree that witty Hawke had some of the best lines.

I have also played siding w/ Larius & then w/ Janeka. You "kill" Corypheus either way, but w/ both ends it seems obvious that Cory escaped through the tainted body of either Janeka or Larius depending on who Hawke sided w/.

After defeating Cory, Larius thanks Hawke, says s/he has made an ally and that he will report to the warden commander. He then thanks Hawke for his freedom. Cassandra later tells Varric that when the seekers arrived at the prison it was destroyed and that the grey wardens were there; they did not mention Larius, but claimed at everone was dead.  

If Hawke sides w/ Janeka, afte Cory is defeated, Hawke speaks w/ Janeka and she says that she will report to the commander & then take the long walk. She then says, "I feel like a whole new person." In this case, Cassandra says that when the seekers arrived at the prison it was destroyed, and that the grey wardens were there but they said an entire unti had been lost and that they did not mention Janeka.

I have also played using a Hawke from Act 1 & 2 and they have pretty different endings. 

[SilentK]

Torax wrote...

 What you probably heard Sandal talking about is a funny and scary prophecy from the little guy.

Eeek! I missed that completely... wonder what will come of that?  

[Nerevar-as]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Morroian wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

I kind of wish the Chantry would be explicitly wrong about something. Just something, just so that the story doesn't keep pushing the "mages are responsible for all of society's ills" line.

It appears they're specifically wrong about the Tevinter Magisters corrupting the Golden City.

It becoming abundantly clear that the Maker may not be a very nice person.

The way the Chantry describes it, it chose to create the world the way it is. Then there´s the Blight for a handful of evil guys crime. I´d say the world is better off without such a god and it isn´t worthy of worship.

SilentK, AFAIK that dialogue has a 1/100th chance of triggering whenever you click Sandal. I still haven´t got it either.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:22 .

[Persephone]

For those who played it in Act III....

I had tears in my eyes as the scene before the fireplace happened... Dear Leandra, My heart went out to my Lady Hawke there. And AMAZING VO acting from Jo there. :crying:

[SilentK]

@ Nerevar-as thanks! =)

The scene by the fireplace in Act 3. Yes... I know that one. Me and both my FemHawke's who did legacy in Act 3 know that one *sniffle* it was a great scene and really strong. I felt for her so much.

So far I have only tried it in Act 3. Those that have done it in Act 1 and Act 2, did you like the scenes with the family =) The dialogue with warden-Carver was great in Act 3.