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[Duskeyboy]

I've got to say legacy has got me thinking about what happened so many years ago, for it seemed like the old gods trick the magisters into going into an already black city because they knew the only way to stop the makers will{ in this case it's when he banished them all underground for usurping his worshipers.} is to corrupt it , but they could do that if their bodies were asleep so they lead the magisters there on purpose so they could be filled with corruption and corrupt them (because the old gods still call out to them and they have had to know about what happened to the magisters because they still exist within the fade and no doubt over the time thats passed they should have figured out what happened to them, so they continue to call out so they may be awaken, but maybe something the old gods didn't anticipate is that they didn't return to there body , but instead it became a husk of corruption.

at least thats what i think. question?comment?or concerns?

[Malanek]

I just played Legacy over the weekend. Originally put off by the lack-lustre DLC from origins (RtO and Witch Hunt). But this was pretty good, improved combat, pretty good storyline and good value for DLC. Inspired me to play DA2 again.

[Bayz]

Duskeyboy wrote...

I've got to say legacy has got me thinking about what happened so many years ago, for it seemed like the old gods trick the magisters into going into an already black city because they knew the only way to stop the makers will{ in this case it's when he banished them all underground for usurping his worshipers.} is to corrupt it , but they could do that if their bodies were asleep so they lead the magisters there on purpose so they could be filled with corruption and corrupt them (because the old gods still call out to them and they have had to know about what happened to the magisters because they still exist within the fade and no doubt over the time thats passed they should have figured out what happened to them, so they continue to call out so they may be awaken, but maybe something the old gods didn't anticipate is that they didn't return to there body , but instead it became a husk of corruption.

at least thats what i think. question?comment?or concerns?

Yeah because all of us know that the Tevinter Magisters were perfectly good people who would need a very very good reason to do it. They don't strike me as the kind of people who would voluntarily try to drain the Makers blood for magic if they had any possibility or try to become gods themselves at all, altruistic all of them as they are.

I mean is not like they continuosuly seem to fall into infighting or sacrifice slaves to boost their magic powers or...

[Noatz]

Legacy certainly opens some speculative doors regarding the larger plot of the DA series.

-Corypheus' speech seems to imply that the Chantry's myth of the darkspawn is a slightly distorted version of the actual truth. He says the Golden City was black and corrupted to begin with when they got there.

- Its interesting that he is attacking you as a magister and not as a darkspawn. If you listen to his speech he says things like "I am an acolyte of Dumat, you cannot harm me". He doesn't seem to recognise himself as a darkspawn; possibly he has no concept of what the current world see as darkspawn.

- Obviously there are similarities between him and the Architect. They look very similar, but act completely different. This leads to some possibilities. 1. The Architect was also an original magister, but recovered his faculties and invented the facade of the Architect to hide his true nature (if this is the case then he well and truly played the Warden if you sided with him). 2. The Architect is something new entirely and 3. The Architect was an original magister but never remembered this. He just woke up one day aware, but with no memory of the black city or being a magister like Corypheus had; he just thought he was some unique darkspawn.

- Corypheus seemed to be in some sort of fugue state. I'm not convinced he was even aware of what he was doing to the Grey Wardens and others. He's obviously an evil piece of work, but only because the old magisters were evil pieces of work. It looks more and more that hes just a carrier for the taint, or some pipe through which the music flows.

And this is ultimately what ties it all together. Lyrium, the Fade, Darkspawn, the Old Gods, all have a connection to the music or song. Now we know that the Black City was always black (or was at least black when the magisters went there), there's a good reason to suspect it is the origin of the song. Something in it powers lyrium and corrupts the living that venture near it. Something like a supreme source of magic. My guess is that its the Maker, or what the Chantry refers to as the Maker anyway, only in reality hes a somewhat different proposition to the benevolent deity they believe in. Whether this will result in the stereotypical JRPG ending of "killing god", who knows...

[Riknas]

Hmm, you are a tricky one Mike Laidlaw!

Does anyone remember the early Developer Diary where MIke Laidlaw makes the comment, "Maybe you have some kind of superpower?" (Will try to edit the link in when I can find it again). Hawke's Bloodline seems to fit the bill quite nicely.

I wonder if this is something they had in mind since the start of Dragon Age 2, or something they just came up with later?

Edit: Found it! At about 4:30. 

Modifié par Riknas, 14 novembre 2011 - 03:40 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Just finished Legacy, took weeks to get round to it.   But I like it; it certainly adds a lot more background to Hawke. The last fight had me going "meh, de ja vu" of a sorts.   But it was fun. Now I just wish there is more to Hawke. I've grown fond of this char or maybe it's the custom face I made.   

[joshyxux]

 more than likly lari is gona come up in a later story. and it'll turn out that he was actually possesed by corypheus 

[Riffuel_Raffit]

I´ve just started a new DA2 playthrough, first time with Legacy and MotA.
Now it would be good to know in which order and from what point in DA2 I should play them, regarding sense of storytelling and character level.
The mementos were available from the moment I´ve entered Gamlens shack, but since I´m still at the beginning of Act 1 I guess starting them know is not really optimal.
I´m sorry if this has already been asked, but I don´t want to read spoilers by going through this and other threads.

[Dave of Canada]

Personally, I find them to fit really well in Act 2 and 3. Act 1 is really... forcing the issue onto the player to make them be there, let's just say. The DLC still plays fine, it's just funny to imagine Hawke dealing with the villains while a lowly refugee who's only fought Darkspawn.

[Riffuel_Raffit]

Thanks for the fast answer, I´ll tackle them in Act 2 then.
I have no idea what the DLC´s involve - haven´t even watched a trailer, so I was kinda lost on that subject.

[bl00dsh0t]

I actually had a thought on my last DA2 run after doing the legacy questline that is kinda touching on Awakening, not sure if it is appropriate to discuss but beware of spoilers for those that did not play it (I also apologize if it has been brought up before, just don't have the energy to read through 22 pages to see ;D):

Seeing as it is kinda obvious that Corypheus transferred into whatever warden you sided with during the dlc, or at the very least it is heavily implied, I wonder whether or not this was an attempt to allow the architect to resurface regardless of the choices made at the end of awakening.

I mean sure killing him did not result in any of your party members changing but seeing as the lore speaks of the old gods transferring into the nearest darkspawn when slain by a non warden it makes sense from the transfer into larias situation where he is taken over by the taint to such an extent that he basically is a darkspawn but not as much from the janeka standpoint seeing as she is a still relatively young warden that probably could kill an archdemon.

In the end I find myself confused in the matter. Sure the Architect and Corypheus are not old gods and we don't really have more confirmation that they are of the same kind (i.e. old tevinter magisters) than Anders' assumption that they are.

Still seeing as Legacy implies that Corypheus could take over a warden and thus avoiding death should then not the same have happened to the Architect if slain? I.e. the Architect jumping to a random darkspawn or disciple close by, not someone in the party who has slain him. 

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:14 .

[StableZaner]

I just finished Legacy. I was surprised that Corypheus was a Magister and not a regular big bad darkspawn. It is curious that he is quite evil, but at the same time seems so confused and almost upset that whatever happened when he went to the Golden City was not what he had expected.

It's pretty much a given that Corypheus transferred into whichever Warden you sided with but if he went into Larius, does that mean he could heal Larius body and not be affected by the darkspawn curse, as in he would not degenerate into a mindless slaughtering hive husk?

When the battle was over I found myself wondering why Merrill refered to the Black City as that and not the Golden City (I know it turned into the Black city) but the magisters walked into the Golden City didn't they? Or was what they walked into Black all along...

[calvinien]

Duskeyboy wrote...

I've got to say legacy has got me thinking about what happened so many years ago, for it seemed like the old gods trick the magisters into going into an already black city because they knew the only way to stop the makers will{ in this case it's when he banished them all underground for usurping his worshipers.} is to corrupt it , but they could do that if their bodies were asleep so they lead the magisters there on purpose so they could be filled with corruption and corrupt them (because the old gods still call out to them and they have had to know about what happened to the magisters because they still exist within the fade and no doubt over the time thats passed they should have figured out what happened to them, so they continue to call out so they may be awaken, but maybe something the old gods didn't anticipate is that they didn't return to there body , but instead it became a husk of corruption.

at least thats what i think. question?comment?or concerns?

I think the maker is a myth. There's never been any evidence of his existence, and a supposedly benevolent god that sends darkspawn after people is less beneovlent and more a miserable bastard.

if you listen to Corypheus' dialog, it implies that there never was a golden city. He talks about seeking it out but when he arrives it was black and corrupted. Either someone corrupted it before he got there or it was always that bad. The way I see it, whatever force is behind the darkspawn lured the magisters to it (as demons are wont to do) in the guise of their gods. It used them to bring the taint into thedas and spread. I've no idea who this is, but if dragon age has taught us anything, its that you can be pretty sure the chantry is useless.

[Blacklash93]

One Question: Larius said the magic seals held for "two-thousand years", but doesn't that predate Corypheus? The magisters invaded the Golden City a bit over a thousand years before the current day.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Another question: Those seals require Hawke Blood so just how old is the Hawke line? Seems to me the line would have to date form the time of the Magisters that entered the Black City, or close to it. How else would seals be made that respond only to Hawke blood?

So if that is the case, then where in that tree was Magister Hawke? Surely there was one since at one time nearly all of Thedas was under Tevinter rule and, we know that both the Hawke and Amell lines have magic. No mention is made of where Malcom came from, Did his magister father or grandfather somehow leave the Imperium, or get killed and force a younger Hawke to flee or be a slave? Were the Hawkes slaves and one escaped?

Whatever the case, could there be a way for our Hawke to learn more of that side of his heritage? Maybe a being in the fade knows? Maybe Cory did possess Laruis and, he knows? Lots of questions raised by this one.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I like doing it with Anders, Varric and whoever I romance, or if it is Anders, then I take Fenris or Avaline.

All of them have good dialog, every companion does. Taking your sibling is cool as well, if you can.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

And it just got way better with the 1.04 patch- the dialog rocks now

[5trangeCase]

...it was supposed to be obvious that Corypheus possessed Larius? Are you sure that he does? Because I did not get that at all.

[atum]

5trangeCase wrote...

...it was supposed to be obvious that Corypheus possessed Larius? Are you sure that he does? Because I did not get that at all.

Not obvious, but it's definitely hinted at.  The real clue is not just in the way Larius is speaking more normally, but that he mixes up his sentences in the same way Corypheus does.  Almost Yoda sounding.

"Gone, the song is from my head"  etc...

There are a couple of other smaller clues. 

- When he dies you can see him smile ever so slightly as he looks "past/behind" you just for a split second.  The game shows what's behind you twice, and you can clearly see Larius back there.

- He sounds "healthy/not crazy" after the battle.

- Defeating Corypheus earns the player the achievement "Conductor".  (according to wikia)

- He repeatedly thanks Hawke for his
freedom. As he is walking away from the Champion, he smiles sinisterly.
It is likely that Corypheus was able to possess him after his body was
destroyed.  (wikia)



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However, for those that think the city was already corrupted/black -- I dont think that Corypheus ' speech about it here is enough to prove anything.  It easily just could have been that's how they saw it, or another magister was there minutes before Corypheus.... basically.... I think Corypheus was just complaining.  He may have even caused it to blacken but not even known that.

It's a great and interesting line, but a big leap to "the Maker is a demon" 

[aldien]

I didn't see this question anywhere on the forum, but if it has been asked, sorry!

I wanted to know if Malcolm Hawke was in the Kirkwall Circle when either Meredith was Knight-Commander or when she was just a templar of no important rank. Do you think they crossed paths in Kirkwall? Is it plausible?

[Evil_Jashinist]

aldien wrote...

I didn't see this question anywhere on the forum, but if it has been asked, sorry!

I wanted to know if Malcolm Hawke was in the Kirkwall Circle when either Meredith was Knight-Commander or when she was just a templar of no important rank. Do you think they crossed paths in Kirkwall? Is it plausible?

Malcom was in the Kirkwall circle, but he was pretty young when he and Leandra left, and I believe Meredith is a bit younger than them. So I highly doubt she had become Knight Commander by that time. Though they may have been in the Gallows at the same time.

[aldien]

Thank you!

[draken-heart]

i have a theory, what if the magisters just go corrupted and the first Darkspawn were actually created by the Chantry during the one instance they allowed blood magic to be used in the Circle (that b eing them trying to create the perfect supersoldier)? and the Chantry knew that this would ruin their reputation as enemies of blood magic so the kept it hidden by pinning the darkspawn taint on the magisters? if hawke and the warden found that this was true and that the war is not Cassie's true focus, it would explain why the seekers are looking for them.

Modifié par draken-heart, 23 mai 2012 - 05:00 .

[Gervaise]

The only problem with your theory is that the 1st Blight occurred more than 200 years before the creation of the Chantry. It was the fact that one of their own gods turned on them and the rest did nothing to help against the Blight that made people generally lose faith in the old gods and in the Tevinter Magisters, who had been powerless against the darkspawn until the Grey Wardens came into existence. Then along came Andraste with an explanation for why the Blight had occurred and all the ordinary non mages seized on this and supported her and Maferath in their campaign against the Imperium. Following her death, the people continued to follow the Maker and her teachings but there was no centralised control, just many different cults. One of these was the Inquisition (the precursors of the templars), an order dedicated to hunting down mages outside of the Tevinter Imperium. After the founding of the Orlesian Empire, some 200 years later, the Emperor made his version of the Andrastrian faith the only one allowed. This was the Chantry. Initially it would seem that mages were given sanctuary from the Inquisition by the Chantry so long as they didn't perform any major magic. Eventually the mages objected to these limitations and so the Chantry version of the Circle System was established (Circles had originally been invented by the Tevinter Imperium for the training of mages), on the understanding that they would normally be located away from major settlements or at least the mages would not be allowed to freely mix with ordinary folk that they might put at risk with their experiements, and that they would be watched over and guarded by the templars.
Whatever else the Chantry have done to mages, they did not turn them into Darkspawn. Who did is of course still open to speculation.