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[aldien]

I have a question about Malcolm and Leandra. During Legacy, Malcolm says that he has bought their freedom, that they can go home with the baby now. I don't think Hawke was born yet. So, is he talking about buying his freedom from the Circle or was this something different? I don't see how Leandra could be pregnant if it was while he was in the Circle.

[LolaLei]

aldien wrote...

I have a question about Malcolm and Leandra. During Legacy, Malcolm says that he has bought their freedom, that they can go home with the baby now. I don't think Hawke was born yet. So, is he talking about buying his freedom from the Circle or was this something different? I don't see how Leandra could be pregnant if it was while he was in the Circle.

I'm not sure. I know Malcolm had a Templar friend that let him escape the circle (the guy Carver was named after) so maybe he met Leandra after that?

[The Hierophant]

LolaLei wrote...

aldien wrote...

I have a question about Malcolm and Leandra. During Legacy, Malcolm says that he has bought their freedom, that they can go home with the baby now. I don't think Hawke was born yet. So, is he talking about buying his freedom from the Circle or was this something different? I don't see how Leandra could be pregnant if it was while he was in the Circle.

I'm not sure. I know Malcolm had a Templar friend that let him escape the circle (the guy Carver was named after) so maybe he met Leandra after that?

Malcolm mentioned/alluded that Larius threatened to kill Leandra unless he reinforced the seal to Corypheus' prison.

Bearbeitet von The Hierophant, 05 Juli 2012 - 08:29 .

[aldien]

I thought Leandra was unaware that Malcolm was working with the Grey Wardens? Why would he have a discussion about buying their freedom if she was not to know? Hmmmmm but when he says: 'We can go home now' It suggests that they have a home, which would aslo suggest that this occurred after he had been out of the Circle. Ahhhhhhhh!

I like your Cullen tag, LolaLei

Bearbeitet von aldien, 05 Juli 2012 - 09:43 .

[LolaLei]

The Hierophant wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

aldien wrote...

I have a question about Malcolm and Leandra. During Legacy, Malcolm says that he has bought their freedom, that they can go home with the baby now. I don't think Hawke was born yet. So, is he talking about buying his freedom from the Circle or was this something different? I don't see how Leandra could be pregnant if it was while he was in the Circle.

I'm not sure. I know Malcolm had a Templar friend that let him escape the circle (the guy Carver was named after) so maybe he met Leandra after that?

Malcolm mentioned/alluded that Larius threatened to kill Leandra unless he reinforced the seal to Corypheus' prison.

That must be it then, the Hawke family bought their freedom from Larius threatening to kill Leandra. Sounds like he was already out of the Circle by the time the Corypheus thing happened.

[LolaLei]

aldien wrote...

I thought Leandra was unaware that Malcolm was working with the Grey Wardens? Why would he have a discussion about buying their freedom if she was not to know? Hmmmmm but when he says: 'We can go home now' It suggests that they have a home, which would aslo suggest that this occurred after he had been out of the Circle. Ahhhhhhhh!

I like your Cullen tag, LolaLei

Good question. I guess Leandra knew Malcolm was in some sort of trouble, but was probably unaware that he life was on the line lol. All I know is Corypheus definitely isn't dead lol. I bet he has something to do with our Warden and Hawke disappearing as well.

Lol thanks! There's loads of them on the first page of the Cullen thread if ya wanna grab one. :-)

[aldien]

LolaLei wrote...

aldien wrote...

I thought Leandra was unaware that Malcolm was working with the Grey Wardens? Why would he have a discussion about buying their freedom if she was not to know? Hmmmmm but when he says: 'We can go home now' It suggests that they have a home, which would aslo suggest that this occurred after he had been out of the Circle. Ahhhhhhhh!

I like your Cullen tag, LolaLei

Good question. I guess Leandra knew Malcolm was in some sort of trouble, but was probably unaware that he life was on the line lol. All I know is Corypheus definitely isn't dead lol. I bet he has something to do with our Warden and Hawke disappearing as well.

Lol thanks! There's loads of them on the first page of the Cullen thread if ya wanna grab one. :-)

Good question. I guess Leandra knew Malcolm was in some sort of trouble,
but was probably unaware that he life was on the line lol.

Hmmmmmm good theory. I liked Corypheus, well... not liked liked Corypheus, if you get my meaning. He was a good bad guy. If Leandra knew her life was on the line Malcolm would have definitely been sleeping on the couch for the next decade and no more babies! Carver and Bethany would never have existed lol! But, the statement is somewhat ambigious.

I am trying to resist the draw of Cullen. I'm very curious to see what they do with him in DA3 especially since I side with the templars occasionally in DA2.

Bearbeitet von aldien, 06 Juli 2012 - 02:34 .

[LobselVith8]

Malcolm was a mercenary who travelled around the Free Marches, he wasn't a member of the Circle of Kirkwall. The codex for "The Long Trek" makes it clear that Malcolm never told his wife or his children about his past. He seemed to be something of an enigmatic figure.

[aldien]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Malcolm was a mercenary who travelled around the Free Marches, he wasn't a member of the Circle of Kirkwall. The codex for "The Long Trek" makes it clear that Malcolm never told his wife or his children about his past. He seemed to be something of an enigmatic figure.

He was a  mercenary until he saved someone's life and then the templars were alerted that he was a mage.

In Legacy you find out that he was a member of the Kirkwall Circle. I went around looking at video endings to Legacy and wiki entries to finally understand more about Malcolm Hawke.

Here's what I found:

Malcolm Hawke was a junior enchanter in the gallows when Malcolm and Leandra met, not an apostate. Back then,  the mages performed at Viscount's functions and that is where Leandra saw Malcolm
for the first time. Gamlen distracted Leandra's parents so Malcolm and she could go out on the balcony and "talk."

Later, when it was all revealed, Leandra's parents threw her out and she
had no money. Malcolm had no money after he left the Circle with the aid of Ser Carver's help. He did the
Corypheous thing to buy them safe passage out of Kirkwall.

Malcolm's letter to Larius:

Warden-Commander Larius:

I have been considering your offer, and I accept your terms. In addition to what was discussed, I find a payment of twenty-five sovereigns per seal to be sufficient. All I require from you is your promise that my wife will be kept safe while I am gone, and that Lord Aristide Amell will be convinced to let Leandra leave Kirkwall with me when I return. I wish for my bride and I to be free, and I do not intend to have her father's men hunting us down.

Before we depart I would also like to confirm your statement that the ritual does not require contact with demonic influences. I would also like to discuss this "darkspawn of magical talents" in greater detail. It quite defies belief that the Grey Wardens have kept a secret of this magnitude buried so close to Kirkwall.

I await your reply.

—Malcolm Hawke

So, now it makes sense. Leandra was pregnant, they needed money to get out of Kirkwall without her father coming after them. Malcolm did this job to ensure they would be free, though the templars chased him for a long time after. I guess until they settled in Lothering.

Bearbeitet von aldien, 06 Juli 2012 - 02:47 .

[Todd23]

For the longest time I wondered why Corypheus went in to a nearby warden's body when he was slain, but the Architect didn't. For a while I joked that Anders asumed what was in him was Justice. I still hold that it has merit: 1. It was after joinig with "Justice" that he decided to leave the Grey Wardens. 2. Anders is the only one they (Bioware) have forced to have been made a warden in Awakening. 3. It's the reason Corypheus didn't go into Anders, even though he was the nearest warden. But now I know where the Architect went. In Velanna's sister! Can you think of a more interesting boss? (besides Sandal)

Edit:  Sorry if it's a little hard to read.  I was high when I rote it.

Bearbeitet von Todd23, 11 Juli 2012 - 06:23 .

[Treacherous J Slither]

Corypheus can possess a Warden and the Archdemon can't? Wtf?!

[Renmiri1]

Todd23 wrote...

For the longest time I wondered why Corypheus went in to a nearby warden's body when he was slain, but the Architect didn't. For a while I joked that Anders asumed what was in him was Justice. I still hold that it has merit: 1. It was after joinig with "Justice" that he decided to leave the Grey Wardens. 2. Anders is the only one they (Bioware) have forced to have been made a warden in Awakening. 3. It's the reason Corypheus didn't go into Anders, even though he was the nearest warden. But now I know where the Architect went. In Velanna's sister! Can you think of a more interesting boss? (besides Sandal)

Edit:  Sorry if it's a little hard to read.  I was high when I rote it.

Huh what ? I killed Corypheus. There is a way to have him alive ? How ?

[obZen DF]

When battling Darkspawn, Varric shouted: "7! 8! How many did you kill Hawke??!!"
Straight reference from Gimbly and Legolas from LOTR

Bearbeitet von obZen DF, 02 September 2012 - 09:57 .

[kdarnell]

simfamSP wrote...

JSlither wrote...

Corypheus can possess a Warden and the Archdemon can't? Wtf?!

I think that's the whole point of the Warden Sacrafice no?

Plus, I believe that the state of the possesed wardens soul would be a factor. Both Larius and the mage chick had compomised souls. Larius because the taint had pretty much run it's course and the mage because, well, come on, blood mages are barely human anyways. And even if she wasn't a blood mage, mages in general are more suseptable to possesion of the normal sort so it's not much of a stretch. And before some moron even thinks "what about Anders?" Hello, he's already possesed...there's no room in there.

Bearbeitet von kdarnell, 10 September 2012 - 10:21 .

[Todd23]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

For the longest time I wondered why Corypheus went in to a nearby warden's body when he was slain, but the Architect didn't. For a while I joked that Anders asumed what was in him was Justice. I still hold that it has merit: 1. It was after joinig with "Justice" that he decided to leave the Grey Wardens. 2. Anders is the only one they (Bioware) have forced to have been made a warden in Awakening. 3. It's the reason Corypheus didn't go into Anders, even though he was the nearest warden. But now I know where the Architect went. In Velanna's sister! Can you think of a more interesting boss? (besides Sandal)

Edit:  Sorry if it's a little hard to read.  I was high when I rote it.

Huh what ? I killed Corypheus. There is a way to have him alive ? How ?

You didn't kill him.  Trust me.

[NRieh]

You didn't kill him. Trust me.

I just finished this DLC and I think I agree here. Sudden change in voice in manner - it's obvious "C ya later, dear player". At least something good from Justice - he fills Anders' posession slot.. 8P

I loved most of arcs and writing, but I think that Evil Antagonist was too...ultimate. I know that PCs sometimes can deal with all sorts of nasty things, but DA2 main part is more or less "Big Bad Evil-free". There was a dragon and one crazy templar lady with an artifact...but no Aincient and Immortal Godlike Evils - which I honestly loved.

As for Architect - I've never thought about it. Nice question. There were a lot of wardens nearby Commander and 3 fighters. One of them could be Justice - and he's immune. One of them could be Anders - and he's reserved for Justice . Which leaves Commander or someone else. Final blow was made by Commander anyway. But posessed Oghren could be....WOW.

[Vincent Laww]

Nrieh wrote...

You didn't kill him. Trust me.

I just finished this DLC and I think I agree here. Sudden change in voice in manner - it's obvious "C ya later, dear player". At least something good from Justice - he fills Anders' posession slot.. 8P

I loved most of arcs and writing, but I think that Evil Antagonist was too...ultimate. I know that PCs sometimes can deal with all sorts of nasty things, but DA2 main part is more or less "Big Bad Evil-free". There was a dragon and one crazy templar lady with an artifact...but no Aincient and Immortal Godlike Evils - which I honestly loved.

As for Architect - I've never thought about it. Nice question. There were a lot of wardens nearby Commander and 3 fighters. One of them could be Justice - and he's immune. One of them could be Anders - and he's reserved for Justice . Which leaves Commander or someone else. Final blow was made by Commander anyway. But posessed Oghren could be....WOW.

I'm under the impression that the Architect is just an awakened Emissary that most likely fed on the entrails of dead Greywarden. Which probably granted him free will. Whereas Corypheus is a Proto-Darkspawn, one of the first ever darkspawn to ever roam Thedas. He most likely inherited is unique abilities during his incursion into the Black City. Has similar capabilties to an Arch-Demon. I highly doubt the Architect survived the Warden Commander's kiling blow.

[LobselVith8]

aldien wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Malcolm was a mercenary who travelled around the Free Marches, he wasn't a member of the Circle of Kirkwall. The codex for "The Long Trek" makes it clear that Malcolm never told his wife or his children about his past. He seemed to be something of an enigmatic figure.

He was a  mercenary until he saved someone's life and then the templars were alerted that he was a mage.

In Legacy you find out that he was a member of the Kirkwall Circle. I went around looking at video endings to Legacy and wiki entries to finally understand more about Malcolm Hawke.

It's never mentioned what Circle of Magi that Malcolm belonged to, nor is it explained how he knew Kirkall Circle mage Tobrius and Ser Carver (who are never mentioned in the codex entries for the Mage Pack that explain how Malcolm met Leandra, and even address that Malcolm's past was a mystery to everyone - including his family).

aldien wrote...

Malcolm Hawke was a junior enchanter in the gallows when Malcolm and Leandra met, not an apostate.

That information is inaccurate. This is what the codex says about how Malcolm first met Leandra:

"Malcolm Hawke ranged the breadth of the Free Marches as he ran from the templars who pursued him. He often posed as a mercenary, and his substantial martial skills easily secured him positions in different bands. On one assignment for the Crimson Oars he was sent to Kirkwall, the seat of templar power in the region. He had every intention of staying there briefly, but fate had other plans."

"In Kirkwall, Malcolm met Leandra and, despite all common sense, courted her. The few times Leandra managed to slip away from her family, Malcolm showed her a whole new world, something completely different from her cloistered existence. It was dangerous, forbidden, and she quickly fell madly in love with the dashing Malcolm Hawke. These stolen moments would end all too soon."

"One day, while fighting the Carta on the docks, Malcolm used magic to save the life of the Crimson Oars' leader. The Kirkwall templars were alerted, but Malcolm wouldn't flee the city without seeing his love one last time. He devised to meet her at the masked ball for the visiting Orlesian Empress."

"Disguised in Orlesian robes, Malcolm slipped past the templars to dance with his love. At the end of the night, Leandra would not hear his goodbyes and chanced at happiness rather than face her gray prearranged future. Malcolm and Leandra ran into the night and never looked back."

aldien wrote...

Back then,  the mages performed at Viscount's functions and that is where Leandra saw Malcolm
for the first time. Gamlen distracted Leandra's parents so Malcolm and she could go out on the balcony and "talk."

This is inaccurate.

aldien wrote...

Later, when it was all revealed, Leandra's parents threw her out and she had no money. Malcolm had no money after he left the Circle with the aid of Ser Carver's help. He did the Corypheous thing to buy them safe passage out of Kirkwall.

Actually, it's mentioned in Legacy that Malcolm's deal with the Grey Wardens pertained to making sure Leandra's father didn't send anyone to hunt them down. You already know this, since you posted a copy of Malcolm's letter to the Commander Larius.

[TEWR]

This is inaccurate.

No, it's accurate, though I'm not certain of the "first time" part. Gamlen says as much if he's the only family member alive at Legacy's end regarding the distraction and everything else.

Bearbeitet von The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 Februar 2013 - 04:05 .

[helmerson]

Corypheus was first a human mage that entered the black city and became tainted, just like the old gods that get tainted and become Archdemons, so they can posses tainted SOULS.

But DARKSPAWN are SOULLESS vessels, the Architect is a "darkspawn" born free from the taint, do he even have a soul to posses some one with.

 

Besides was it ever confirmed that he is dead, maybe after the commander "killed him" he stod up like a zombie, pick up his head and walk away.

 

And Corypheus is alive he will just be possesing another body when we se him again.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

The xbox players already have access. PC players have to wait about 3 1/2 more hours.

Let  the spoilers roll..

(BTW, what's the best class to play the DLC on? Or does it matter?)

i think the best class for that DLC is mage. 

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, I love the rogue, but a mage Hawke benefits the most, especially with the really good Warden armor and the powerful electric staff.

[Elite Midget]

I thought Leandra was unaware that Malcolm was working with the Grey Wardens? Why would he have a discussion about buying their freedom if she was not to know? Hmmmmm but when he says: 'We can go home now' It suggests that they have a home, which would aslo suggest that this occurred after he had been out of the Circle. Ahhhhhhhh!

I like your Cullen tag, LolaLei

Makes sense as she was already pregnant with Hawke at the time.

[Magdalena11]

Man, that story is really golden.  It's so romantic it positively drips saccharine.  I love it.  Got nothing to top it so going on to actually play for a bit.