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#176
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

the only thing I dislike about the DLC is that after you do all of the quests and complete Legacy, you can't go back at all. I'm glad Bioware put in the little "You can leave to Kirkwall and come back" thing in the quest, but I missed out on the helm because the damn doorway was sealed and I didn't know how to unseal it.


Each of the puzzles can be solved relatively easily, but the helm is locked away behind a more complete solution of the puzzle.

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I'm... wow, it isn't very spoilery but it almost brought a tear to my eye. Archery Hawkes don't have the generic melee "finisher" on Corypheus but actually gets one of their own.

Props to whoever did those!


Huh, mine just stabbed him with and then sheathed an invisible weapon.


Did you get a different version of the Key weapon than you commonly use? IE, if you got the dagger but you mostly use the bow, it'll fire the dagger version of the cutscene because it checks the same flags as the key checks.

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You evil devs made the puzzle tricky to make me constantly replay it! Posted Image

Which you didn't have to do. It was so great that I would've replayed it many times over. You guys made an amazing DLC. Posted Image 

Thank you devs

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I have to say though, I was expecting Justice to appear when the idea of freeing Corypheus came up. It would've been perfect considering how pissed off he was at letting the Architect live. The only Justice cameo I saw was outside of the base of the tower when he summoned two shades

Or does Justice make more of a cameo? If not, could the next DLC have some Justice cameos? Because we didn't really see enough of Justice in the game when he's sharing an apartment with Anders.

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Was it me, or did Corypheus speak as if the Golden City was already black when they arrived there?

The way he speaks, it can be also interpreted they went for the power they're told by Dumat to be in the gold city, but all they got (ultimately) was the darkness and taint. I.e. matching how the popular version goes.

Modifié par tmp7704, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:51 .


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Just a quick note to say how much I enjoyed "Legacy" - everything about it was top-notch.

The ability to personalize our Key was absolute genius. I hope that future DLC's with continue with that option.

A big 'thank you' to everyone at BioWare who put Legacy together. Well done! :)

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(ignore: not really story related post, so moved to feedback thread)

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tmp7704 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Was it me, or did Corypheus speak as if the Golden City was already black when they arrived there?

The way he speaks, it can be also interpreted they went for the power they're told by Dumat to be in the gold city, but all they got (ultimately) was the darkness and taint. I.e. matching how the popular version goes.

He goes... "But it was black... corrupt..." and "The city! It was supposed to be golden!" as if it was already that way when they arrived.

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tmp7704 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Was it me, or did Corypheus speak as if the Golden City was already black when they arrived there?

The way he speaks, it can be also interpreted they went for the power they're told by Dumat to be in the gold city, but all they got (ultimately) was the darkness and taint. I.e. matching how the popular version goes.


That's definitely possible, but if the Golden City was indeed blackened by them, it happened way before the Chantry claims, . I take that back. His dialogue indicated it was already black.


So we have a 2000 year old Darkspawn Magister that was trapped by the Wardens 1000 years later after they tricked him and sealed him within a prison.

This was a very interesting DLC.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .


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Don't know if I trust the truth on this Grey Warden Prison.  When you get in the Deep Roads, it definately looks like an old Thaig.  The codex says that the grey wardens shaped some of the deep roads with magic.  Also didn't it look like a circle tower in the prison/thaig?  Knowing the Tevinter history with Thaigs from Witch Hunt, I believe that this Thaig was taken over by the Tevinters who built a Circle in it.  The wardens come later and convert it into a prison hence the trapped demons in cells.  Also the way Cory acted as he knew the Dumat alter was there and even asked for the priests to come to him immediately when he thought you belonged to the Imperium.  Why would the wardens build an altar to Dumat?  It had to be there before.

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Perhaps it never was Golden.
OK I will try it, but this is in no way a vindication for the state the main game came out in or lessens what I have said about my dislike for certain elements. I want to make that clear.
Not reading anymore posts about this till In finish it.

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So is there a difference weather to side with Larius or the other Grey Warden (forgot her name)?

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Blacklash93 wrote...

He goes... "But it was black... corrupt..." and "The city! It was supposed to be golden!" as if it was already that way when they arrived.

Well, he goes: "But it was black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since." and "The city! It was supposed to be golden! It was supposed to be ours!" and note the city wasn't "theirs" when they arrived to it. So i think you can also interpret it as that's what the plan was -- the city was 'supposed' to be golden and theirs. But if it just went wrong and the city turned black instead and never became theirs, then what he says can describe that as well.

There's also something obvious that should be taken into account -- if the city was really black from the beginning, they should see it from the outside (as it's visible from every spot in the Fade). So it at least had to have appearance of golden city at some point before, to make them believe that it actually was.

Modifié par tmp7704, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:17 .


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sun-ga89 wrote...

So is there a difference weather to side with Larius or the other Grey Warden (forgot her name)?


There are some gameplay changes, and the way the climax plays out is different based on who you sided with. It should also be mentioned that there are variations based on: A) Siding with Janeka originally and changing sides B) Siding with Janeka and staying with her C) Siding with LArius and changing sides and D) Siding with Larius and staying with him.

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tmp7704 wrote...
There's also something obvious that should be taken into account -- if the city was really black from the beginning, they should see it from the outside (as it's visible from every spot in the Fade). So it at least had to have appearance of golden city at some point before, to make them believe that it actually was.

The taint could have been housed within the city and was only unleashed when the magisters tampered with it, thus its outward appearance was golden prior to the incident.

I seriously doubt the magister tainted it with "sin". There could have been something within the city before then. Or perhaps the magisters brought something with them that tainted it.

And the way he worded "It was supposed to be golden! It was supposed to be ours!" sounds like two seperate  statements instead of a conjoined one. And he says, "But was black..." instead of became.

It could easily just be poor wording on the writer's side, but it's still worth taking into consideration.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:31 .


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Blacklash93 wrote...

I seriously doubt the magister tainted it with "sin". There could have been something within the city before then. Or perhaps the magisters brought something with them that tainted it.

If i'm not mistaken what the magisters did was getting their physical selves in there, which is something that the Fade isn't really "built for". So it could be simply some magical equivalent of crossing the streams that triggered the reaction, or smth?

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What about the Darkspawn portion of the Fade in Broken Circle? Could that tie in to the Black City and Darkspawn in Thedas somehow?

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I don't know. All I know is that after finishing Legacy, I have to do some serious reevaluations of my theories concerning darkspawn. I had completely disregarded the Chant of Light talking about Magisters physically going to the Golden City. The reason I did this was because they edited out the bit about the elves for being too heretical. They alter what their doctrine says so it can say what they want to believe.

Now we have in-game evidence that supports that part of the Chant.

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tmp7704 wrote...
Well, he goes: "But it was black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since." and "The city! It was supposed to be golden! It was supposed to be ours!" and note the city wasn't "theirs" when they arrived to it. So i think you can also interpret it as that's what the plan was -- the city was 'supposed' to be golden and theirs. But if it just went wrong and the city turned black instead and never became theirs, then what he says can describe that as well.


The Golden/Black City is probably similar to this Far Side cartoon:
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The Golden City is really golden but as soon as the magisters messed around and got to it or looked at it, it turned Black. But as soon as the tainted Magisters stormed off, it turned Golden again and the Maker unveiled his true face:
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:wizard:

#195
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Maybe when the magisters got too close the Maker said "Nuh-uh, b*tches." And left his throne to rot and turn the magisters into horrifying beasts.
The Maker never did seem that forgiving and kind.

#196
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Incidentally is it just me, or does Corypheus have some german accent? It's strangely fitting, whatever it really was :s

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Carloth13 wrote...

Maybe when the magisters got too close the Maker said "Nuh-uh, b*tches." And left his throne to rot and turn the magisters into horrifying beasts.
The Maker never did seem that forgiving and kind.


Thats what I would do.  

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Brockololly wrote...

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Somewhere in an interview I think I heard devs say the Architect and this new guy were similar or of the same kind? They kind of look alike too.


Visually at least, its pretty obvious the Architect and Corypheus are built on the exact same character model, which in turn is built on the model of the Arcane Horror. It just seems as much a means to save art resources as anything, thus making it a bit pointless to try and draw connections to things visually when they're likely grounded in the limited resources of game development.


I guess you could say it's the devs recycling the models but I thought it wasn't specific what exactly the Architect was but a new kind of creature related to the darkspawn. I would even put "Cory" in that category but I'm just throwing stuff out there. I think it depends wether people believe "Cory" was one of the first darkspawn or not. 

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Having played the game, I would say that it appears that the myth of the Tevinter magisters entering the Golden City to be confirmed, or at least strongly hinted at. I did notice though, that when Cori talked about entering the Golden City, he said something to the effect of it being corrupted from the start, rather than as a result of them entering. Don't know if that really means anything, but it's nice to see the writing team dig deep into the DA lore to come up with a story.

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dragonflight288 wrote...

I don't know. All I know is that after finishing Legacy, I have to do some serious reevaluations of my theories concerning darkspawn. I had completely disregarded the Chant of Light talking about Magisters physically going to the Golden City. The reason I did this was because they edited out the bit about the elves for being too heretical. They alter what their doctrine says so it can say what they want to believe.

Now we have in-game evidence that supports that part of the Chant.



Perhaps my theory about the incredibly ancient Tevinter Imperium and the Primeval Thaig Dwarves working together being the cause of the Darkspawn is right.


What if it turned out that Humans, Elves, and Dwarves all created Darkspawn? Posted Image