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[megski]

I would like to also add that I am thankful for this DLC, it makes me feel like Hawke is actually working towards some of the underlying problems in Kirkwall, instead of just being involved with matters on the surface like the mage/templar issues.

[TEWR]

It makes me believe the Tevinters in Kirkwall did so much blood magic because Corypheus wanted them to free him. That freeing him was their goal.


Of course, after finding that one codex I wish Hawke said "Well that explains some things" if you did it sometime in Act 3.

[Apophis2412]

I haven't finished the DLC yet, but I already have a question: Why wasMalcolm the one who sealed Corypheus away? He was only a junior enchanter at the time. Why didn't the Grey Wardens take a more senior enchanter with then?

[Sagar DKar]

Apophis2412 wrote...

I haven't finished the DLC yet, but I already have a question: Why wasMalcolm the one who sealed Corypheus away? He was only a junior enchanter at the time. Why didn't the Grey Wardens take a more senior enchanter with then?

Well it did say they needed a mage to do blood magic that had untainted blood.  Seeing how Kirkwall is filled with nothing but blood mages, they needed a non blood mage to do blood magic without demon possesion.

[megski]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It makes me believe the Tevinters in Kirkwall did so much blood magic because Corypheus wanted them to free him. That freeing him was their goal.


Of course, after finding that one codex I wish Hawke said "Well that explains some things" if you did it sometime in Act 3.

Thats what I was thinking too.  
eta:  or it could be more nasty things in Kirkwall.  

Modifié par megski, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:29 .

[TEWR]

Probably because he was secretly a blood mage, and they needed a non-Warden blood mage.


I knew he was assisting the Wardens in keeping Corypheus trapped. I called it.

[LT123]

Props to whoever was responsible for the cinematics and writing during the scene with Hawke remembering Leandra.  That was sad!

I was expecting Corypheus to be another darkspawn like the Architect, so the fact that he was a Tevinter magister was really neat.

Looking forward to playing through with my other Hawkes to see how the story changes.

[TEWR]

If Corypheus was a Magister, then that means that the Architect was one as well.

[DaBigDragon]

I loved the revelation that Corypheus was one of the original Tevinter Magisters that invaded the Golden City and created the Darkspawn in the first place.

Now I am very curious as to whether or not The Architect was originally one of those Magisters as well and if he was, did he know about it? Was he lying when he told my Warden that he did not know why he is the way he is? (able to think and speak). Is he really a good guy trying to stop the Blights? I'm hoping I don't regret my decision to let him live, and as Anders put it in Legacy, "We still don't know the consquences of that decision."

Modifié par DaBigDragon, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:49 .

[Dave of Canada]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If Corypheus was a Magister, then that means that the Architect was one as well.

If so, it's possible the Architect lost his mind/memory while living all those centuries in the Deep Roads. Corypheus at least was "asleep".

[megski]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If Corypheus was a Magister, then that means that the Architect was one as well.

I'm not sure how, but I think they're different.  Corypheus seems more human than darkspawn, where with the architect, it was the other way around.  

[megski]

DaBigDragon wrote...

I loved the revelation that Corypheus was one of the original Tevinter Magisters that invaded the Golden City and created the Darkspawn in the first place.

Now I am very curious as to whether or not The Architect was originally one of those Magisters as well and if he was, did he know about it? Was he lying when he told my Warden that he did not know why he is the way he is? (able to think and speak). Is he really a good guy trying to stop the Blights? I'm hoping I don't regret my decision to let him live, and as Anders put it in Legacy, "We still don't know the consquences of that decision."

I originally let him live, but then I read the calling and decided that it probably wasn't the best idea to do so.  It kind of makes me feel like when you find a snake but you're aren't sure if its poisonous, you just assume it is.  

[leggywillow]

Apophis2412 wrote...

I haven't finished the DLC yet, but I already have a question: Why wasMalcolm the one who sealed Corypheus away? He was only a junior enchanter at the time. Why didn't the Grey Wardens take a more senior enchanter with then?

Probably because he was both powerful and easily accessible.  Grey Warden mages have tainted blood, and most other mages live in the Circle.  Given the very illegal nature of the magic being done, it wouldn't have been a good idea to stroll up to the Circle and ask to borrow a mage for a little while.  Involving Circle mages would risk the secret getting out and probably draw some unwanted templar scrutiny.  Yes, technically the GW can do whatever the hell they want in regards to blood magic, but why tick off the Divine when you can just snap up an apostate?

Some of Bethany's dialogue combined with Malcolm commenting on "the baby" implies that the sealing occurred around the same time as Malcolm and Leandra fleeing from Kirkwall (perhaps immediately after).  Finding a powerful mage on the run and desperate to protect his new family was probably the perfect find for the Wardens.

[TEWR]

Ah that's true. Malcolm's comment on the baby and Larius' threat against Leandra indicate that this happened when Malcolm was an apostate.


I want to see a portrait of Malcolm. For some reason I'm imagining him with an epic beard of beardly epicness.

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If Corypheus was a Magister, then that means that the Architect was one as well.

If so, it's possible the Architect lost his mind/memory while living all those centuries in the Deep Roads. Corypheus at least was "asleep".

Maybe the Architect got hit harder than Corypheus when they were twisted, and that caused him to lose his memories? He does have a more deformed face.

megski wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If Corypheus was a Magister, then that means that the Architect was one as well.

I'm not sure how, but I think they're different.  Corypheus seems more human than darkspawn, where with the architect, it was the other way around.  

For all we know the Taint twisted the Magisters around in different ways.

[leggywillow]

Now I want to see fanart of Corypheus and the Architect.  I want there to be a sign behind them that says "****in' Awesome Ancient Tevinter Magister Club".  They need to be wearing t-shirts that say "I liked the Black City when it was still the Golden City".  I also want Fenris to be serving them tea and looking very pissed about it.

Do you hear me, artists?!  THIS MUST BE DONE.

[elikal71]

Nivilant wrote...

I am coming to the conclusion that I just prefer the Darkspawn to the rest. First the Architect, now Cory. Very interesting, I really wish we could have spoken to Cory more. I also want to shake his VA's hand. Just the right amount of ham. Also liking the callbacks to the Warden's decision in Awakening.

I think the bow version of the key is a bit clunky, but I do like the staff. Nice environments too, and the party banter made me laugh a few times. All in all not a bad DLC.

I could've done with a little more followup though, and no matter whether you side with Janeka or Larius, they both sound a bit sinister as they leave. Both times I thought 'oh heck, Cory are you in there???'

You are not alone. From early DA:O I always had this feeling the Dragons & Darkspawn used to be the good guys, but somehow cheated or defeated and thus made into that dark stuff they are. It would be quite uncool if in the end Demos are just Demons and the Maker the good God. That would be quite... lame.

[ColumnarPower]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sided with the ghoul and I have to say, I'm really interested in knowing what the deal is with Corypheus. Do you think he honestly was a Tevinter Magister or do you believe he was delusional? Does it get clarified if you side with the woman instead, or does that lead to the same confusion?

Makes me wonder if the Architect is a Tevinter Magister too.

Hopefully I'm not repeating an idea that's already been voiced... It's too late to read through 9+ pages.

My gut reaction is that Corypheus and the Architect were different, if similar, creatures.  Corypheus seemed pretty sure about what he was, whereas, as I recall from the novel, the Architect didn't really know why he was different from other Emissaries.  It's possible that Corypheus' "nap" helped him keep his memories while the Architect forgot who he was during the passage of years, but that's not really my impression.

At this point, I'm kind of wondering if we shouldn't be looking more for a connection between Corypheus and Flemeth, to be honest.

[elikal71]

tmp7704 wrote...

Incidentally is it just me, or does Corypheus have some german accent? It's strangely fitting, whatever it really was :s

I will listen a 2nd time; it might be; Anderfels was the place of the first blight and it is losely based on Germany, and Anderfels NPCs are having German accents. If Corypheus is from there it would make sense.

[Fault Girl]

It was interesting how Corypheus mentioned that it was already dark, the Dumat referencing was also a nice touch. I really want to know more now!

Also when he asked if the party were dwarven slaves..interesting.

I didn't play with an awakening save, I plab to tonight now to see the dialogue also with GW bethany. I really wanted to see what Malcolm looked liked, his voice was epic.

[elikal71]

More than what Corypheus mentions is, what he NOT mentions: The Maker. Instead Corypheus just says, Dumat promised them "the power of the Gods". Plural. Not the power of God, or the Maker. And not "the power to be Gods", it seems to indicate they expected some Gods in that city or a power to rival the power of Gods elsewhere. Isn't it weird that he does not mention the Maker in one single word? I find that the most important thing, given the Chantry claims it was the Makers city they wanted to invade.

And it would fit. Both the Demons and the good Spirits like Justice always say, they know of no Maker at all. In fact besides the Chantries books we have zero evidence of the Maker at all.

[Sealy]

how do I get y freakin hat thingy. Hard puzzles are hard. For serious though, I am siding with Jenaka(??) and I can't make those silly wards drop for anything.

[RoooLicious]

dpoulton wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sided with the ghoul and I have to say, I'm really interested in knowing what the deal is with Corypheus. Do you think he honestly was a Tevinter Magister or do you believe he was delusional? Does it get clarified if you side with the woman instead, or does that lead to the same confusion?

Makes me wonder if the Architect is a Tevinter Magister too.

Hopefully I'm not repeating an idea that's already been voiced... It's too late to read through 9+ pages.

My gut reaction is that Corypheus and the Architect were different, if similar, creatures.  Corypheus seemed pretty sure about what he was, whereas, as I recall from the novel, the Architect didn't really know why he was different from other Emissaries.  It's possible that Corypheus' "nap" helped him keep his memories while the Architect forgot who he was during the passage of years, but that's not really my impression.

At this point, I'm kind of wondering if we shouldn't be looking more for a connection between Corypheus and Flemeth, to be honest.

exactly what I was thinking! not dying of old age? check. no abomination, mage, or dragon? check. incredibly powerful in magic anyways? check. Also, isn't it weird how Flemeth saved the 2 characters that would encounter later on a (possible) ancient tevinter who entered the black city? (warden + architect; hawke + cory) I dunno, it seems THAT is what is behind Flemeth's hidden agenda...

[Sealy]

elikal71 wrote...

More than what Corypheus mentions is, what he NOT mentions: The Maker. Instead Corypheus just says, Dumat promised them "the power of the Gods". Plural. Not the power of God, or the Maker. And not "the power to be Gods", it seems to indicate they expected some Gods in that city or a power to rival the power of Gods elsewhere. Isn't it weird that he does not mention the Maker in one single word? I find that the most important thing, given the Chantry claims it was the Makers city they wanted to invade.

And it would fit. Both the Demons and the good Spirits like Justice always say, they know of no Maker at all. In fact besides the Chantries books we have zero evidence of the Maker at all.

Yah but if he was an ancient magister he didn't know about/believe in the maker, to them the golden city was... something else I guess. The worshiped the dragon gods.

[elikal71]

Fleshdress wrote...

elikal71 wrote...

More than what Corypheus mentions is, what he NOT mentions: The Maker. Instead Corypheus just says, Dumat promised them "the power of the Gods". Plural. Not the power of God, or the Maker. And not "the power to be Gods", it seems to indicate they expected some Gods in that city or a power to rival the power of Gods elsewhere. Isn't it weird that he does not mention the Maker in one single word? I find that the most important thing, given the Chantry claims it was the Makers city they wanted to invade.

And it would fit. Both the Demons and the good Spirits like Justice always say, they know of no Maker at all. In fact besides the Chantries books we have zero evidence of the Maker at all.

Yah but if he was an ancient magister he didn't know about/believe in the maker, to them the golden city was... something else I guess. The worshiped the dragon gods.

If we assume a Maker exists in the DA universe. And he lives in a Golden city, that can be seen everywhere from the Fade; should we not also assume then that EVERY being who travels the Fade or even lives in it, KNOWS about the existence of the Maker? I mean, due to the Chantry, the Maker had not yet turned his face away from mankind back then, only AFTER the city was blackened. So even due to Chantry lore the Maker was still "there". I still feel that all does not add up.