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[mousestalker]

They aren't any worse than they used to be. The reason people think so about so many things (music, movies, kiddy shows) is that they compare the best of a decade (the 80's for example) to what is being produced currently. To be fair, you need to compare all the shows being made at one moment in time to the shows of today.

There have been periods where the shows have been better. There have also been periods when the shows were far, far worse.

[Nizzemancer]

Zcorck wrote...

Penguins of Madagascar is pretty decent.

I thought this wasw about kids-shows not movies?

If we're talking movies then the 80's and 90's where far worse

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 27 juillet 2011 - 01:35 .

[AllThatJazz]

There are some great kid's tv shows, at least in the UK. Horrible Histories is one of the best shows on television for adults or children, Little Princess (with voices by Jane Horrocks and Julian Clary) is hilarious; and programmes like 'Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom' and 'Peppa Pig' are also good thanks to some really stellar voice acting and general silliness. Admittedly, though, Horrible Histories aside it's pre-school stuff. On the other hand, there is some crap that I will switch off rather than let my children watch, but that has always been the case.

I did used to love adaptations of classic children's books when I was young. I remember 'The Box of Delights', 'The Children of Green Knowe', 'Five Children and It', 'Stig of the Dump', 'Chocky', 'The Snow Spider', 'Moondial'. It could be my imagination but I don't think there are as many of those nowadays, which is a shame, if only in terms of introducing this generation of kids to some great literature. The BBC did 'Fungus the Bogeyman' fairly recently, however, which was good fun if not a direct adaptation of the book.

[Chromie]

mousestalker wrote...

They aren't any worse than they used to be. The reason people think so about so many things (music, movies, kiddy shows) is that they compare the best of a decade (the 80's for example) to what is being produced currently. To be fair, you need to compare all the shows being made at one moment in time to the shows of today.

There have been periods where the shows have been better. There have also been periods when the shows were far, far worse.

Yes well My Little Pony really is bad.

[AllThatJazz]

Also, there are a hell of a lot more channels than there were when I was a kid. BBC and ITV were IT in the 1970s/early 80s. And not everything on those channels was really good. So there probably is as much good television, if not more, as there ever was, only now it's spread out a lot more so you maybe need to look a little harder to find it ...

[stewie1974]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Because you're not a kid anymore?

No, I've rewatched the shows I tuned into as a kid and young adolescent. They're still better than most of the stuff they show on TV.

Nostalgia has a way of convincing you that things were better when you were younger.

It's all subjective to a point.

Kids shows today are not relevent to you

Kids shows of yesteryear are still relevent to you as they formed part of your growing up experience.

I like clone wars, but only because of it's star wars ties.

I liked dexters lab and a lot of cartoon network stuff only because a lot of those shows are devised as by people in the same age range and are -not really- kids shows.

A lot of tv I watched as a kid aimed for kids during the 1970's simply isn't relevent today as the politics have moved forwards signifigantly....progressively forwards.

Hannah Montana is beloved by children despised by adults...... but then my parents thought the same about the original star wars trilogy, it wasn't untill the phantom menance that I understood star wars was a kids movie.

That said there are a lot of transgenerational -kids- films that are intelligently made.... mostly disney/ pixar/dreamworks movies.... dispiciple me for instance is just absolutely brilliant.

The 1950's children tv was just more -indoctrination- than anything else, and shameless so....

1960's was hugely experimental

1970's is where tv started to be seen as a merchandise selling train, and it all changed from there.

Star Wars showed that a lot of money was to be made in merchandising.......after that point we got the big soy telling shows....

Transformers, He-man, My Little Pony in the 80's.... shameless toy commercials.....

In the 90's ... The Real Ghostbusters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers....

and so it goes on.....

If it sells toys, they'll make a show about it.....

The few childrens shows I liked from my childhood has zero or a very limited merchandise pitch... Ulyssess 31 and Mysterious Cities Of Gold to name a few.....

They were made to sell to networks as shows, not to sell toys to kids. Yeah there was merchandise , but it was rare as rocking horse poo.

No kids show is made today with out the view to selling lunch boxes and merchandise......


There is however still good KIDS shows that sell merchandice , but they are not shameless commercials..

DR WHO is the longest running kids show ever......and it is a kids show, I'm a huge fan of it....but it's still a kids show... the producers have maintained this since the 1960's.

Modifié par stewie1974, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:56 .

[StrawberryViking]

I'm always wondering if kids nowadays will think of Flintstones as a show, and not as mascots for cereal. Same goes for Jetsons and dish detergent. Looney toons, Flintstones and the Jetsons was the bulk of what they used to show on CN, along with their other line-up of Dexter's, Power-Puff, Johnny Bravo. Today it looks like shows are geared more at teenagers (i.e. Chowder, Adventure Time), and I personally can't see the appeal for children in it.

As a kid I did enjoy the hell out of Jackie Chan Adventures and Xaolin Showdown. Although not necessarily a children's show, I adored Tales from the Crypt. It may have scared the pants off me at the time (and maybe now), but I watched that show as often as I could.

The only modern cartoon I can enjoy is probably Phineas and Ferb.

Modifié par StrawberryViking, 27 juillet 2011 - 06:06 .

[Zcorck]

Nizzemancer wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

Penguins of Madagascar is pretty decent.

I thought this wasw about kids-shows not movies?

If we're talking movies then the 80's and 90's where far worse

PoM is a kids show. 57 eps so far. Begun in 2008 and still going strong afaik.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892700

Modifié par Zcorck, 28 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[Nizzemancer]

stewie1974 wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Because you're not a kid anymore?

No, I've rewatched the shows I tuned into as a kid and young adolescent. They're still better than most of the stuff they show on TV.

Hannah Montana is beloved by children despised by adults...... but then my parents thought the same about the original star wars trilogy, it wasn't untill the phantom menance that I understood star wars was a kids movie.

I hope you're joking, or only mean the phantom menace. Ok, let's see:
ANH:
Lars & Beru get's turned into crispy bacon, their burnt corpses shown on screen.
Han Solo fries Greedo with one shot.
Death Star destroys an entire planet.
Obi gets cut down by vader
Death star full of people destroyed
ESB:
Several people choked to death.
Han guting a tauntaun
Torture of Han Solo
Han being frozen into a coffin pretty much *
Luke having his hand cut off
Asteroid to the face in a hologram *boom*
RotJ:
Slave Dancers pretty much nude
Slave Dancer fed to Rancor
Main character enslaved
Sarlacc dinners
Jabba being choked to death
Yoda dying
Luke being tortured
Palpatine being thrown down a reactor-thingy
Vader dying
Death Star full of people destroyed
Ewoks slaughtered

Some kids movie...

edit: *changed Luke into Han

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:04 .

[Bryy_Miller]

lobi wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

children suck nowadays because parents dont understand that self-esteem is something earned, not given.

You need to earn the right to feel good about yourself?

Yes. Otherwise it is called Ego.

.... wait. What? So having self-esteem is egotistical?

lobi wrote...

One reason maybe that you are all no longer children. This means you are unqualified when offering critique on the suck rating of contemporary childrens programming.
I invite you to try to watch more than three episodes of a programme you enjoyed as a child and see if it brings any enjoyment other than nostalga.
Then watch a child viewing a contemporary show.  Who has the most fun?

The child is, obviously. But ignoring that contemporary kids shows are far more restrictive on content is very, very naive.

I submit to you Animaniacs.

They had an entire segment which was a direct homage/parody to the audio recording of Orson Welles having a hard time doing a commercial recording.

Try explaining that to a kid.

Oh, or how about the legendary Finger Prince joke? 

[Bryy_Miller]

double post

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:05 .

[TEWR]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

 Is it the spoiled, bratty characters? The loudness? The disgusting, obnoxious humor? It seems like all the good shows have either ended or been canceled. The quality of shows on Nickelodeon seemed to decrease after they took out Invader Zim. I've wondered if this was just nostalgia on my part. I mean, you see remakes of shows from the 80s and 90s all the time, but I can never get into them. Maybe it's because the writers are trying too hard to capture the attitude of those particular shows without realizing that people have moved on and want a more serious narrative? 

Cartoon Network is even worse.

The great shows CN had:

Ed, Edd, and Eddy: Gone. Reruns can be seen, but the show itself hasn't had anything new
Courage the Cowardly Dog: gone
Johnny Bravo: Gone
Toonami: Gone
Codename Kids Next Door: Gone
Cow and Chicken: Gone
Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy: Gone
Samurai Jack: Gone
Space Ghost Coast to Coast: Gone
Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends: Gone

and others. The only good thing about CN is that they're showing new episodes of Pokemon, though the series changed the VAs a long time ago (about a year or two ago I think), so now the voices for the regular characters are annoying. And Iris constantly saying "You're such a kid!"

I just want to smack her upside the head and tel her to say something else.

Now there are really stupid shows on there, most being live action type things with real people. On a network that's supposed to show cartoons and only cartoons. Bah....

Nickelodeon isn't as bad, but it isn't good either.

I miss the good shows I used to watch....

[lobi]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

lobi wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

children suck nowadays because parents dont understand that self-esteem is something earned, not given.

You need to earn the right to feel good about yourself?

Yes. Otherwise it is called Ego.

.... wait. What? So having self-esteem is egotistical?

One earns self esteem by doing things that prove to oneself their qualitys and values, personal truth. It is a process of discovery.
It is not something that can be given by others, that is called 'Approval'.
It also can not be taken away, only surrendered.

Bryy_Miller wrote...

lobi wrote...

One reason maybe that you are all no longer children. This means you are unqualified when offering critique on the suck rating of contemporary childrens programming.
I invite you to try to watch more than three episodes of a programme you enjoyed as a child and see if it brings any enjoyment other than nostalga.
Then watch a child viewing a contemporary show.  Who has the most fun?

The child is, obviously. But ignoring that contemporary kids shows are far more restrictive on content is very, very naive.

I submit to you Animaniacs.

They had an entire segment which was a direct homage/parody to the audio recording of Orson Welles having a hard time doing a commercial recording.

Try explaining that to a kid.

Oh, or how about the legendary Finger Prince joke? 

You explain that example by playing the recording of Orson Welles having a hard time. Don't expect them to appreciate it until they are in college and are reminicing about cartoons though. Some trivia to impress the peers is always good.

Do not forget that Disney corp knew Parents had to sit through a lot of these programs as well. It was good business to make sure they were not totally bored every episode. Kids did not need to understand the references to enjoy the show, it's Animaniacs! what more is there to say. Same goes for Miley or next doors cat.

Modifié par lobi, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:15 .

[Bryy_Miller]

lobi wrote...

One earns self esteem by doing things that prove to oneself their qualitys and values, personal truth. It is a process of discovery.
It is not something that can be given by others, that is called 'Approval'.
It also can not be taken away, only surrendered.

I think you're over-analyzing things in order to sound smart, which is a huge problem with Psychology today. 

lobi wrote...

You explain that example by playing the recording of Orson Welles having a hard time.

The point is that kids shows of yesterday were way more substantial. That was the point.

[TheDarkJediKnight]

GreedIgnored wrote...

Well quality has gone so low people consider My Little Pony a good show...

Those people are just trolls though.

[Ghost Lightning]

Not all of them suck. There are only like two or so good ones though. I like iCarly and Big TIme Rush can actually be surprisingly funny. But even then, it's mostly crap.

[Just some ginger kid]

Adventure Time and MLP are the only good ones now that Flapjack and Chowder are gone. At least when it comes to newer stuff.

[Bryy_Miller]

TheDarkJediKnight wrote...

GreedIgnored wrote...

Well quality has gone so low people consider My Little Pony a good show...

Those people are just trolls though.

That's because it is ridiculous that a show called My Little Pony is as smart as it is.

[csfteeeer]

Because Kids These Days Suck

[pablodurando]

It's just that the shows are completely tailored to the kid's interests. And in this day and age that happens to be random humor. Kids have a short attention span so these shows are designed to maximize entertainment for kids by making them laugh or spout in glee every couple of minutes. The old story lines that made many old cartoons great just aren't popular.

I miss Dragon Ball Z, at least we still have My Little Pony.