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[Plogg]

What would you do if you got 100% accurate intel that the Migrant fleet is moving to the system where the Alliance receives the bulk of Element Zero, or any other strategical mineral and are planning to strip mine the place.
(Don't troll about that you can't have 100% accurate intel or any of that bull****, this is a hypothetical situation)



Personally I would send a fleet to stop them,(say they got to the system before you managed to warn them) I would send out a message and say "To all Quarian vessals, ANY AND ALL ships that moves beyond (a resonable amount of distance from mass relay) and is still in the system within (a resonable amount of time) WILL BE FIRED UPON! This is your only warning."

Because losing the bulk of any strategic resource could cripple you, cause others may not be willing to sell strategic stuff to rival powers. And the Quarians can't take the chance of losing even a dozen or so military ships(could cause gaps in their defense grids pirates can take advatage of) or even 1 food ship or whatever they are called(could lead to food shortages and the odd extinction)

What would you do!
(Trollsneednotapply)
(First thread yey)

[naledgeborn]

But it is Mass Effect related...

I'd give them a chance to leave. If they're stupid enough not to take it there will be 17 million less Quarians in the Milky Way.

/Hackett Out.

[Plogg]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

This isn't ME3 related.

And this is http://social.biowar...3/index/7933500 ?

[Shad0wOGRE]

You mean the Quarians invade an Alliance system with the intent of stealing resources? Mobilize the fleet. Tell them they must leave the system immediately. And if they fail to do so, start destroying their ships, starting with their mining, fabrication, and food production vessels.

Then I notify the other Council races about the quarians act of war. In a joint operation we hunt down the quarians and disable their ability to make war. When they surrender I plant the survivors on a planet and start the process of getting them out of those suits, through forced genetic reengineering if necessary.

Modifié par CommanderNuetral, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:46 .

[Raiil]

It depends. If we can negotiate (as Saphra noted) then by all means. Or I might just point them to a system wherein they can strip mine and leave us the hell alone. Other wise they'll get an escort out of the system. Hell, if there's a planet we've found unpalatable but the quarians might have use for, I might encourage them to use it as a permanent guest pad. I'd want the galaxy's greatest engineers on my side if it all possible.

Same for anyone else.

[marshalleck]

Valentia X wrote...

It depends. If we can negotiate (as Saphra noted) then by all means. Or I might just point them to a system wherein they can strip mine and leave us the hell alone. Other wise they'll get an escort out of the system. Hell, if there's a planet we've found unpalatable but the quarians might have use for, I might encourage them to use it as a permanent guest pad. I'd want the galaxy's greatest engineers on my side if it all possible.

Same for anyone else.

That, and more importantly, for humanity to continue building its presence on the galactic stage it should take a cue from the turians and begin developing vassal states of its own. Quarians are a prime candidate.

[Xarathox]

marshalleck wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

It depends. If we can negotiate (as Saphra noted) then by all means. Or I might just point them to a system wherein they can strip mine and leave us the hell alone. Other wise they'll get an escort out of the system. Hell, if there's a planet we've found unpalatable but the quarians might have use for, I might encourage them to use it as a permanent guest pad. I'd want the galaxy's greatest engineers on my side if it all possible.

Same for anyone else.

That, and more importantly, for humanity to continue building its presence on the galactic stage it should take a cue from the turians and begin developing vassal states of its own. Quarians are a prime candidate.

Agreed.

Quarians are the most useful species in an economic sense.

[Raiil]

marshalleck wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

It depends. If we can negotiate (as Saphra noted) then by all means. Or I might just point them to a system wherein they can strip mine and leave us the hell alone. Other wise they'll get an escort out of the system. Hell, if there's a planet we've found unpalatable but the quarians might have use for, I might encourage them to use it as a permanent guest pad. I'd want the galaxy's greatest engineers on my side if it all possible.

Same for anyone else.

That, and more importantly, for humanity to continue building its presence on the galactic stage it should take a cue from the turians and begin developing vassal states of its own. Quarians are a prime candidate.

Huh, good point. It's not like they'll need our food resources 

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Even if they get back to Rannoch or whatnot, the generations it would take for bio-engineering  due to the toxins Legion mentions would mean they'd still make a good client race. 


I wonder, if the quarians made a truce with the geth, would that impact the possibility?

[marshalleck]

Valentia X wrote...

I wonder, if the quarians made a truce with the geth, would that impact the possibility?

Probably, which is why humanity should scramble to try to negotiate or mediate that truce. 

I'd imagine that if humanity helped the quarians re-inhabit Rannoch, they'd become quite friendly to us. And that means expanding our engineering, AI research, and industrial capabilities. Not to mention access to quarian experts in those fields on the cheap.

Remember, most of the other races hire quarians as their top talent in those fields. Acquiring them for ourselves would boost our own industries while denying them to our competitors. It wold be a win for humans and quarians.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:28 .

[Xarathox]

Valentia X wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

It depends. If we can negotiate (as Saphra noted) then by all means. Or I might just point them to a system wherein they can strip mine and leave us the hell alone. Other wise they'll get an escort out of the system. Hell, if there's a planet we've found unpalatable but the quarians might have use for, I might encourage them to use it as a permanent guest pad. I'd want the galaxy's greatest engineers on my side if it all possible.

Same for anyone else.

That, and more importantly, for humanity to continue building its presence on the galactic stage it should take a cue from the turians and begin developing vassal states of its own. Quarians are a prime candidate.

Huh, good point. It's not like they'll need our food resources 

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Even if they get back to Rannoch or whatnot, the generations it would take for bio-engineering  due to the toxins Legion mentions would mean they'd still make a good client race. 


I wonder, if the quarians made a truce with the geth, would that impact the possibility?

If the Alliance is smart? no.

Even if the Quarians manage to get back to Rannoch, and they finally befriend the Geth, and manage to get back onto the galactic stage it may take generations for their people to shed the stigma of being refuse by the rest of the galaxy, if ever. Humanity would make a very smart move making both Geth and Quarians allies given that both species would have skill sets that none of the rest of the galaxy would have, including the salarians.

Quarians are the best engineers in the galaxy, the Geth are machines with unparalleled processing capability. Imagine how more efficient they'd be at research and development. Not to mention they could mine resources with greater ease than anyone else, even in extremely hostil enviroments to organics.

Quarians + Geth = Humanity wins the priiize.

[Plogg]

marshalleck wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I wonder, if the quarians made a truce with the geth, would that impact the possibility?

Probably, which is why humanity should scramble to try to negotiate or mediate that truce. 

I'd imagine that if humanity helped the quarians re-inhabit Rannoch, they'd become quite friendly to us. And that means expanding our engineering, AI research, and industrial capabilities. Not to mention access to quarian experts in those fields on the cheap.

Remember, most of the other races hire quarians as their top talent in those fields. Acquiring them for ourselves would boost our own industries while denying them to our competitors. It wold be a win for humans and quarians.

True, but if the Quarians would think  for 1 second that the Alliance would abandon them for any reason(as a client race) they would not agree because they will do anything for survival. But I would certainly try it, for pretty much the same reasons you specified.

And I probobly forgot to write this, but I meant they would try to mine as much as possible before anyone came to stop them and bolt. Because Eezo is so valuable and with alot of it they can probobly buy alot of new ships they can convert to whatever they want.

[marshalleck]

 I think it would be much more difficult to rein in the geth--given their history, and according to Legion, they seem very determined to maintain their independent status. They don't share the same biological needs as humans and quarians, so it would be difficult to manipulate them from that angle...they are, in essence, perfectly self-reliant and sustainable. That's not to say a partnership of some sort may not be possible (perhaps some sort of guarantee on curbing quarian aggression against them as part of the terms of negotiation for Rannoch?) but they pretty much don't really benefit from partnerships with anyone else. 

Although, if Legion is any indication they seem to be developing/manifesting some more advanced aspects of intelligence, i.e. emotion in Legion's case. If that's true, there may be some benefit to working with them on AI research. Maybe we should send over a team of our finest philosophers to help facilitate their nascent moral/ethical/rational development. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:45 .

[naledgeborn]

Krogan are >>> allies. And if the right hand is played they'll be forever indebted to humanity. Besides their "Minister of Defense's" bro is a human. 

Sure Quarians are a good long term investment but they're very expensive and high maintenance. Almost a liabilty. It's unlikely that the SA Parliment will agree to concessions for strengthening quarian infrastructre, especially when most seats belong to Earth. How will that look to Earth's 11 billion plus population?

[Plogg]

Standing with friends is always better then standing alone no matter how strong you are.

[marshalleck]

naledgeborn wrote...

Krogan are >>> allies. And if the right hand is played they'll be forever indebted to humanity. Besides their "Minister of Defense's" bro is a human. 

Sure Quarians are a good long term investment but they're very expensive and high maintenance. Almost a liabilty. It's unlikely that the SA Parliment will agree to concessions for strengthening quarian infrastructre, especially when most seats belong to Earth. How will that look to Earth's 11 billion plus population?

SA can and should be looking to angle both. I just didn't mention the krogan because they've really got nothing to do with the quarians, and this thread was about quarians.

Quarians have no real infrastructure to speak of beyond any industrial ships they may possess in their fleets. Certainly those would not be the best investment to make. But establishing quarian colonies and infrastructure on Rannoch or elsewhere is perfectly viable. And it wouldn't necessarily have to come straight out of the Systems Alliance pocket; indeed, it most likely would not. SA would merely negotiate the terms; the actual investment could be turned over to private Earth-based organizations, who would likely operate more cost-efficiently anyways.

The quarians are a huge untapped market for highly skilled labor and consumption. Humanity should be tapping that market ASAP.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:02 .

[naledgeborn]

marshalleck wrote...

SA can and should be looking to angle both. I just didn't mention the krogan because they've really got nothing to do with the quarians, and this thread was about quarians.

Quarians have no real infrastructure to speak of beyond any industrial ships they may possess in their fleets. Certainly those would not be the best investment to make. But establishing quarian colonies and infrastructure on Rannoch or elsewhere is perfectly viable. And it wouldn't necessarily have to come straight out of the Systems Alliance pocket; indeed, it most likely would not. SA would merely negotiate the terms; the actual investment could be turned over to private Earth-based organizations, who would likely operate more cost-efficiently anyways.

Good point. That's the only way I can see this scenario playing out though. Humans are too new on the scene to pledge resources and alliances. Especially to a nation as devestated as the quarians.

[Plogg]

marshalleck wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Krogan are >>> allies. And if the right hand is played they'll be forever indebted to humanity. Besides their "Minister of Defense's" bro is a human. 

Sure Quarians are a good long term investment but they're very expensive and high maintenance. Almost a liabilty. It's unlikely that the SA Parliment will agree to concessions for strengthening quarian infrastructre, especially when most seats belong to Earth. How will that look to Earth's 11 billion plus population?

SA can and should be looking to angle both. I just didn't mention the krogan because they've really got nothing to do with the quarians, and this thread was about quarians.

Quarians have no real infrastructure to speak of beyond any industrial ships they may possess in their fleets. Certainly those would not be the best investment to make. But establishing quarian colonies and infrastructure on Rannoch or elsewhere is perfectly viable. And it wouldn't necessarily have to come straight out of the Systems Alliance pocket; indeed, it most likely would not. SA would merely negotiate the terms; the actual investment could be turned over to private Earth-based organizations, who would likely operate more cost-efficiently anyways.

The quarians are a huge untapped market for highly skilled labor and consumption. Humanity should be tapping that market ASAP.

Say a weapons manufacturer could be willing to pay for some things in exchange for engineers or something

[Plogg]

naledgeborn wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

SA can and should be looking to angle both. I just didn't mention the krogan because they've really got nothing to do with the quarians, and this thread was about quarians.

Quarians have no real infrastructure to speak of beyond any industrial ships they may possess in their fleets. Certainly those would not be the best investment to make. But establishing quarian colonies and infrastructure on Rannoch or elsewhere is perfectly viable. And it wouldn't necessarily have to come straight out of the Systems Alliance pocket; indeed, it most likely would not. SA would merely negotiate the terms; the actual investment could be turned over to private Earth-based organizations, who would likely operate more cost-efficiently anyways.

Good point. That's the only way I can see this scenario playing out though. Humans are too new on the scene to pledge resources and alliances. Especially to a nation as devestated as the quarians.

True, but if they were to make this leap many fields of science could be expanded

This is thread got a little off topic:blush: but the direction is interesting still=]

Modifié par Plogg, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:10 .

[Plogg]

Pressing quote instead of edit is just fail

Modifié par Plogg, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:09 .

[marshalleck]

naledgeborn wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

SA can and should be looking to angle both. I just didn't mention the krogan because they've really got nothing to do with the quarians, and this thread was about quarians.

Quarians have no real infrastructure to speak of beyond any industrial ships they may possess in their fleets. Certainly those would not be the best investment to make. But establishing quarian colonies and infrastructure on Rannoch or elsewhere is perfectly viable. And it wouldn't necessarily have to come straight out of the Systems Alliance pocket; indeed, it most likely would not. SA would merely negotiate the terms; the actual investment could be turned over to private Earth-based organizations, who would likely operate more cost-efficiently anyways.

Good point. That's the only way I can see this scenario playing out though. Humans are too new on the scene to pledge resources and alliances. Especially to a nation as devestated as the quarians.

Not so sure about that. Humanity and the SA are quite successfully fielding a good number of colonies and human resources beyond Earth, to the tune of maybe 30-50 million people. That's several times the Quarian population. And economically, Earth is booming. There should be a huge number of investors on Earth looking for long-term investments for their cash. It would take some political savvy and a bit of heavy lifting from the SA to actually work this thing out, but I believe quarians represent an excellent opportunity for acquiring our first client species. They have clearly defined needs and manageable numbers. The krogan would be a much more difficult challenge, especially considering the current political and military situation with the Tuchanka DMZ. Acquring them would likely take many human generations, and ultimately may not be possible due to turian/asari/salarian interference.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:17 .

[naledgeborn]

Plogg wrote...

True, but if they were to make this leap many fields of science could be expanded

This is thread got a little off topic:blush: but the direction is interesting still=]

I think you're selling humanity short. The Prothean cache in Lowell City got us up to speed with every major power player in the galaxy. The difference is that we haven't had millennia to expand like the Asari or Salarians.