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[Plogg]

Both is right but what if you spend billions on the quarians and they decide "Thanks for the cash and all but we think we will try to find a home where we can be independant.

As for Krogans you can ask if they want to move to a new planet and start over in a less wartorn planet or give construction aid, and hire them as hard-hitting heavy-weights in the alliance

[naledgeborn]

Saphra Deden wrote...

We use Overlord to control the geth (perhaps with Xen's help) and then we hold the quarians hostage after they settle Rannoch.

Did I say hostage? I mean we impose a strong defensive circle around Rannoch to protect them.

We encourage the quarians to hire human corporations to pay for the rebuilding of Rannoch and for helping them re-settle we recruit many of their brightest engineers and medical technicians.

We encourage them to sign a joint-defense pact that contracts the Alliance to protect quarian space and administer its borders.

I like this plan. Very cost effective. Sorry Legion.

[marshalleck]

Plogg wrote...
As for Krogans you can ask if they want to move to a new planet and start over in a less wartorn planet or give construction aid, and hire them as hard-hitting heavy-weights in the alliance

But the krogan love living on Tuchanka. Why would they ever want to leave? And their population is something like 2 billion. You don't just hire 2 billion individuals. The krogan are a totally different game.

[SandTrout]

I have to say that I like the Marshalleck plan. The Quarians are the one species that we could reasonably take under our wing as a client species to aid them in rebuilding. They get the resources and protection of the Alliance, while the Alliance receives their technical expertise, as well as a long standing debt of gratitude from the largest existing fleet in the galaxy.

Quarian colonies could even eventually become co-equal members of the Alliance as well, with little conflict of interest. The terms of the treaty could be relatively simple, as well. The Quarians get the dextro-amino based garden worlds, and Humanity gets the Levo-amino based ones.

[Plogg]

naledgeborn wrote...

Plogg wrote...

True, but if they were to make this leap many fields of science could be expanded

This is thread got a little off topic:blush: but the direction is interesting still=]

I think you're selling humanity short. The Prothean cache in Lowell City got us up to speed with every major power player in the galaxy. The difference is that we haven't had millennia to expand like the Asari or Salarians.

3% of humanity go into military service and the turians think we are a threat. I think we are doing quite well.
But as I said both of you are right, IF the leap is made it could put us on top

marshelleck I don't mean hire everyone, hire a few special teams where you would need hard hitting people say a heavily defended area. And if a war comes along they would be awesome
Even if only Clan Urdnot were to relocate which is focused on rebuilding we would still be getting a major military power and possible great mining force since they can survive on alot more hostile worlds

Modifié par Plogg, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:30 .

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

I have to say that I like the Marshalleck plan. The Quarians are the one species that we could reasonably take under our wing as a client species to aid them in rebuilding. They get the resources and protection of the Alliance, while the Alliance receives their technical expertise, as well as a long standing debt of gratitude from the largest existing fleet in the galaxy.

Quarian colonies could even eventually become co-equal members of the Alliance as well, with little conflict of interest. The terms of the treaty could be relatively simple, as well. The Quarians get the dextro-amino based garden worlds, and Humanity gets the Levo-amino based ones.

Another excellent point. Due to the differing chirality, internal competition over inhabitable worlds would be virtually nonexistant. Or at least minimized as much as possible. That said, if we managed to score Rannoch, the quarians would be heavily invested in a single homeworld for generations to come, with minimal interest in extra-solar colonization.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:34 .

[Dandynermite]

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

[naledgeborn]

Yeah, Krogan don't want a home world. And I believe that they're just now starting to realize how important science and medicine is despite they're durable physiology. Those are what they need the most. And we have a monopoly of sorts with Sirta and medi-gel. Asari and Salarians are the only real competition and we know how Salarians feel about Krogan.

[Plogg]

Dandynermite wrote...

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

Wait,what?
/slap cerberus lover
And I don't think the Asari will join any campain which will eliminate the turians

[Melra]

Quarian fleet vs Alliance? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah!

Is there even a need for discussion ?

[marshalleck]

Plogg wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

Wait,what?
/slap cerberus lover
And I don't think the Asari will join any campain which will eliminate the turians

Hey, I'm a Cerberus lover. I want to see human preeminence throughout the galaxy. Taking on the quarians as a client species is one step toward that vision. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:37 .

[Plogg]

marshalleck wrote...

Plogg wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

Wait,what?
/slap cerberus lover
And I don't think the Asari will join any campain which will eliminate the turians

Hey, I'm a Cerberus lover. I want to see human pre-eminence throughout the galaxy. Taking on the quarians as a client species is one step toward that vision. 

I also wanna see human dominace but cerberus methods no thanks
Diplomacy and the odd war with the batarians/turians will do just nicely thank you very much.

Modifié par Plogg, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:38 .

[marshalleck]

 Human Chairman? Don't you mean Emperor? 

[naledgeborn]

SandTrout wrote...

Quarian colonies could even eventually become co-equal members of the Alliance as well, with little conflict of interest. The terms of the treaty could be relatively simple, as well. The Quarians get the dextro-amino based garden worlds, and Humanity gets the Levo-amino based ones.

Annexing Quarian colonies into the Systems Alliance is a bad move IMO. It could potentially end in conflict as the Quarians recover and demand equal representation within the SA Parliment. Not too many humans would go crazy over Quarian sanctions and especially giving them votes in human legislation. The Citadel Council is bad enough IMO.

Edit: The last thing humanity needs are the quarians deciding it's course through politics.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:55 .

[Plogg]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

I have to say that I like the Marshalleck plan.

Not ambitous enough. I'll give us the whole damn galaxy.

We use the geth to "wag the dog" as it were. Their presence justifies increased Alliance military build-up in the Traverse, Terminus, and behind the Perseus Veil. After all we have to protect our new allies from the geth in their vulnerable state, as well as guard the Traverse and engage the geth who still hide in the Terminus Systems.

The truth is we control the geth, but this is a closely guarded secret. Top level only. We even stage attacks and entire campaigns against our own forces (that ultimately never do too much damage) to keep up the facade.

The stronger we get the more appealing we become to the volus (this is a Renegade universe so we control the Council/Citadel). They start wanting more independence from the Hierarchy and we offer them better deals and influence the more they separate themselves from the Hierarchy. Over time this will destabilize the Hierarchy by undermining its economy. At some point the turians will know that if they lose the volus they are finished as a major force in the galaxy and a rival of humanity. As their economy tanks we start reaching out to individual turian worlds and offering to negotiate with them one on one. You see the Hierarchy itself is too unstable for us to trust, but we can trust each individual colony and its leaders. We can make exclusive trade deals with them... we even make military and defense agreements. (the geth factory into this, ever that illusive but deadly force that always lurks in the dark corners of the galaxy)

The Hierarchy is not as unified as it pretends to be. Buried under the surface it is rife with colonial patriotism. We can awaken those feelings. Economic depression is the perfect time. The Hierarchy failed them, but the turian worlds can survive on their own. As the Hierarchy dissolves so does the threat it presents.

Of-course in the process there will be much instability in the galaxy. To bring order the Alliance will need to expand and the human Chairman will need the freedom to make decisive decisions.

We'll rope the asari in to help mediate the turian situation, sapping what is left of their military and peace-keeping forces.

Meanwhile we quietly approach the salarians, relenting on our stance at Ilos by agreeing to cooperate fully in studying it and granting them unrestricted access, and offer joint training sessions with the STG and elite N7 ranks of the Alliance Marine Corps. Trade agreements are a given, of-course.


So... so yeah, the quarians can totally dig up all that eezo. We'll share it. That's what allies do.

But I'm paragon
A human lead counil maybe not human only:crying:
Otherwise I kinda like this plan
Well I kinda like it they way it is, but some trust must be shown or it will turn into a star trek mirror universe

Modifié par Plogg, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:43 .

[Eranen]

SandTrout wrote...

I have to say that I like the Marshalleck plan. The Quarians are the one species that we could reasonably take under our wing as a client species to aid them in rebuilding. They get the resources and protection of the Alliance, while the Alliance receives their technical expertise, as well as a long standing debt of gratitude from the largest existing fleet in the galaxy.

Quarian colonies could even eventually become co-equal members of the Alliance as well, with little conflict of interest. The terms of the treaty could be relatively simple, as well. The Quarians get the dextro-amino based garden worlds, and Humanity gets the Levo-amino based ones.

Completely agree.
I've always thought that Quarians were always vastly underestimated. I wonder if any other council race has even thought about taking the Quarians as a client race, and if so why not? Hmm...

[Dandynermite]

Plogg wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

Wait,what?
/slap cerberus lover
And I don't think the Asari will join any campain which will eliminate the turians

The Asari owe hundreds of their lives to me because of alliance actions in ME1, hundreds, I meant hundreds of thousands. With their wisdom, human soldiers, and Salarian/Asari commando squads we could quickly cripple the Turians and eliminate them, then turn the Citadel fleet on their homeworld and colonies (the reapers can wait for the moment)

However not to go off-topic, the Quarians are homeless scavangers, they are incredibly weak in combat (one cut and unless they get to a clean hospital, they're infected) they'd be so easy to eliminate, furthermore they are cowards, not fighting to the death on their homeworld, and fools, allowing the Geth to become self-controlled, and eliminating them would help the galaxy a lot. I think I'd eliminate Tali with a beheading via samuari sword too, to show the world the humans are vicious, brutal, and soon to be the universes most powerful force...

(The Quarian hate stems from no option to "Spray the room" when that Quarian pointed a gun at me at the beginning of ME2)

[Plogg]

Lets say reapers dont exist in this universe to uncomplicate things
And still the Asari have been friends with the Turians for a few thousand years and they got rid of that krogan rebellion problem too

Modifié par Plogg, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:47 .

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

~Snip!~

While I was initially repelled due to moral and ethical standards I hold myself to (for practical, long-term reasons), This is a workable plan as well. I am not a fan of Wag the Dog plots, though. As much of an asset as they can be, they are also exceptionally dangerous if someone leaks information about it, intentionally or not. Also, I expect that there will be enough chaos in the post-Reaper galaxy that we will not need any excuses for a military buildup.

Note that I am actually a paragon, but not one of the irrational self-destructive ones. I generally favor cooperation over forceful control because I generally find that the results are better. I don't see a particular reason that we cannot include the Geth in the Alliance as well as co-equal members. They prefer the 0 gravity 0 atmosphere enviroments anyways, which again results in limiting conflicts of interest regarding colonization.

The oppotunity to reduce the number of enemies while increasing my own resource base appeals to me greatly.

[marshalleck]

The Saphra Plan is a long-term project. My plan for the quarians is something achievable within a single human generation. We're thinking in different scopes here.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:55 .

[Dandynermite]

Plogg wrote...

Lets say reapers dont exist in this universe to uncomplicate things
And still the Asari have been friends with the Turians for a few thousand years and they got rid of that krogan rebellion problem too

Then we find the Krogans, promise them land revenge, and a cure if they join the humans, and unleash them on the Turians with weapons, ships, military organisations provided by Ceberus, once the brutal war is finished, either the Turians or Krogans will be gone, and the survivors will be at a huge disadvantage, the Alliance will help "peacekeep" the new weakened group, although once in position instead launch a brutal massacre, killing all survivors and civilians, from the highest noble, to the weakest peasant. 3 major races eliminated, and the Alliance military barely touched, and growing, from scavanged turian ships and weaponry. The threat of a major with and possible defeat by the human's for the Asari will keep them complacent. Then have Ceberus launch a smear campaign against the Batarians, until the Citadel fleet is forced to respond to their "terrorist attacks" orchastrated by Ceberus, and launch a war against them.

From the destruction of the Quarians could lead to a galatic domination by the humans/asari and salarians.

[Plogg]

If you give the krogans a cure you will be in for a serious butthurt, since the turians wouldnt probobly have won if it haven't been for the genophage

[marshalleck]

Giving the krogans a cure is insane. We need some sort of realistic, workable shock-collar before even thinking about 'curing' the genophage. Otherwise we'll just end up with the Krogan Rebellions all over again.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:03 .