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[marshalleck]

Individually weak, collectively strong? I like the way you think.

[naledgeborn]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What there is, is a community of enlightened sentient beings living in peace and working, together, towards a common good. Stability, freedom, order, equality... a community which celebrates its common goals as well as its unique cultures and outlooks. No longer are we blended together in a 'melting pot', no longer do we mingle on cramped, crime-ridden and fear stricken worlds, consorting in seedy asari night clubs serving the decadent and depraved. 

NWO much? No thanks I prefer freedom and chaos even if they are mutually inclusive.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:11 .

[Dandynermite]

I'm not giving them a cure, I'm telling them I'm developing a cure with the research from Mordin's Assistant and Saren's base, show them we're making progress, and then they go to war. Once it commences I cease the cure, and ready the fleet to kill the survivors

[Plogg]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Human Chairman? Don't you mean Emperor? 

Emperor? An emperor would imply an empire. There is no empire. Empires are evil. 

What there is, is a community of enlightened sentient beings living in peace and working, together, towards a common good. Stability, freedom, equality... a community which celebrates its common goals as well as its unique cultures and outlooks. No longer are we blended together in a 'melting pot', no longer do we mingle on cramped, crime-ridden and fear stricken worlds, consorting in seedy asari night clubs serving the decadent and depraved.

Wait, I'm rambling off-topic again, sorry.


I agree, the quarians are an opportunity. We need allies. They need allies. We have common enemies and common goals. There is no reason we shouldn't cooperate.

Frankly I'm surprised the Alliance isn't collaborating right next to the quarians to take back Rannoch.

Politicans is twice as stupid then the avrage citizen:P

[Dandynermite]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Human Chairman? Don't you mean Emperor? 

Emperor? An emperor would imply an empire. There is no empire. Empires are evil. 

What there is, is a community of enlightened sentient beings living in peace and working, together, towards a common good. Stability, freedom, equality... a community which celebrates its common goals as well as its unique cultures and outlooks. No longer are we blended together in a 'melting pot', no longer do we mingle on cramped, crime-ridden and fear stricken worlds, consorting in seedy asari night clubs serving the decadent and depraved.

Wait, I'm rambling off-topic again, sorry.


I agree, the quarians are an opportunity. We need allies. They need allies. We have common enemies and common goals. There is no reason we shouldn't cooperate.

Frankly I'm surprised the Alliance isn't collaborating right next to the quarians to take back Rannoch.

There is a name for that "towards a common good" it's "Communism"

Back on topic, easily killable traveller (gypsy) soldiers, or an army of "True Geth" the bonuses of the Geth are ten-fold that of the Quarians

[Soccer FeverMan]

Dandynermite wrote...

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

I like the concept of this plan but like damn yo i don't want to kill the Turians, Garrus is like my Shepard's right hand man. Plus in one of my paragon playthrough a Turian store merchant said he'd name his first born after me, i digress. But im not really feeling the Cerberus part, im loyal to the Alliance.

I do like slaughtering to extinction though,i say we just steal their research instead of bringing them in as a client race. Cuz really if they'ye under our banner it means we have to protect them they can't defend themselves for poop, but they act like they can when they can't.

I don't get why people always want to enslave the geth thats a war crime controlling and enslaving a sapient race.

to answer the thread question i would send in a fleet give them one warning if they refuse i give the order to execute a crushing assault that takes out over 5,000+ of their ships.

[Dandynermite]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Well if I were in charge I'd put government money into Ceberus and wipe every last Quarian out, every one of the irritating morons. I'd do this immediately the second they got near, claim to have given them warnings, and kill them all. Except Tali, who I'd claim to have told them where to get the resources and have her publicly executed without trial for treason. This would establish several things, firstly I tolerate no threat to the Alliance, earning me popularity with Human nationalists (speciest?) who were dissapointed with saving the council, put Ceberus in a good light with the Alliance for helping defend human interests, aqquire many new spaceship parts for the Alliance (and secretly Ceberus), making humanity more powerful, show the true geth I have sympathy with them, earning me potential allies, and through all of this, greatly increasing humanity's presence and strength. All I would need then is too join with Asari and eliminate the Turians, securing humanity's place in galatic dominance

I like the concept of this plan but like damn yo i don't want to kill the Turians, Garrus is like my Shepard's right hand man. Plus in one of my paragon playthrough a Turian store merchant said he'd name his first born after me, i digress. But im not really feeling the Cerberus part, im loyal to the Alliance.

I do like slaughtering to extinction though,i say we just steal their research instead of bringing them in as a client race. Cuz really if they'ye under our banner it means we have to protect them they can't defend themselves for poop, but they act like they can when they can't.

I don't get why people always want to enslave the geth thats a war crime controlling and enslaving a sapient race.

to answer the thread question i would send in a fleet give them one warning if they refuse i give the order to execute a crushing assault that takes out over 5,000+ of their ships.

Turians will always stand in the way of Humanity, with obstacles like this, it is simpler to remove them than tollerate them

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Individually weak, collectively strong? I like the way you think.

No no, individually strong. For it is that individual initiative that builds a strong community. Without strong individuals you won't have stronger whole.

The asari sought to water us down. They passed it off as the sharing of knowledge and ideas, but their real goal was to steal our identity. Snuff out that bright spark that birthed all of us and launched us into space. Good fences make good neighbors.

Weak in the sense of trying to "go it alone" or what have you, such as with the batarians, leaves one isolated and vastly limited in potential. 

Not weak as in incapable of handling internal affairs on one's own. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:24 .

[MiniMosher]

Xarathox wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

It depends. If we can negotiate (as Saphra noted) then by all means. Or I might just point them to a system wherein they can strip mine and leave us the hell alone. Other wise they'll get an escort out of the system. Hell, if there's a planet we've found unpalatable but the quarians might have use for, I might encourage them to use it as a permanent guest pad. I'd want the galaxy's greatest engineers on my side if it all possible.

Same for anyone else.

That, and more importantly, for humanity to continue building its presence on the galactic stage it should take a cue from the turians and begin developing vassal states of its own. Quarians are a prime candidate.

Huh, good point. It's not like they'll need our food resources 

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Even if they get back to Rannoch or whatnot, the generations it would take for bio-engineering  due to the toxins Legion mentions would mean they'd still make a good client race. 


I wonder, if the quarians made a truce with the geth, would that impact the possibility?

If the Alliance is smart? no.

Even if the Quarians manage to get back to Rannoch, and they finally befriend the Geth, and manage to get back onto the galactic stage it may take generations for their people to shed the stigma of being refuse by the rest of the galaxy, if ever. Humanity would make a very smart move making both Geth and Quarians allies given that both species would have skill sets that none of the rest of the galaxy would have, including the salarians.

Quarians are the best engineers in the galaxy, the Geth are machines with unparalleled processing capability. Imagine how more efficient they'd be at research and development. Not to mention they could mine resources with greater ease than anyone else, even in extremely hostil enviroments to organics.

Quarians + Geth = Humanity wins the priiize.

ahh dude, if the alliance became an inter-species alliance of humans-geth-quarians that would be so awesome

the quarians win too, as humans are good with genetic research (medi-gel) so we wouldnt even need the salarians help to get the quarians out of their suits, plus we are decent explorers and would find planets that the geth could settle on where organics could not

plus all the council species constantly whinge about how fast humanity is progressing

[Plogg]

If Humans-Geth-Quarians would become an alliance the turians might just build up their military and ask the salarians to up their spying on us

[Dandynermite]

Plogg wrote...

If Humans-Geth-Quarians would become an alliance the turians might just build up their military and ask the salarians to up their spying on us

Not if we turned the Krogans on them before they had the chance 

[Kaiser Shepard]

I'd simply ask them to leave.

If they don't comply, we'll destroy their war- and liveships, perhaps a few dozen more ships to make sure they get the point, then force the remaining clanless into servitude on Earth. After all, we need someone to rebuild what was lost during the Reaper War.

[MiniMosher]

Dandynermite wrote...

Plogg wrote...

If Humans-Geth-Quarians would become an alliance the turians might just build up their military and ask the salarians to up their spying on us

Not if we turned the Krogans on them before they had the chance 

yeah both are true

however I dont think humans would stay close allies with the krogan, as they are just as traditionalist as the turians, whereas my hypothetical alliance would be one based on the species helping each other progress

they can spy all they want though, geth just want to build their dyson, humans want to colonise and quarians just want to become naturists lol we'd just have to make it clear to council races that the alliance wouldnt be involed with heretic-geths and human elitists (cerberus)

it would work if they controlled the far east east side of the galaxy and stretch the territory south to the local cluster, if the council had any sense they would see it as a decent pact against the terminus systems because if either went to war with the terminus they would be flanked by the other side of the milky way, batarians would think twice before raiding colonies

[naledgeborn]

MiniMosher wrote...

yeah both are true

however I dont think humans would stay close allies with the krogan, as they are just as traditionalist as the turians, whereas my hypothetical alliance would be one based on the species helping each other progress

they can spy all they want though, geth just want to build their dyson, humans want to colonise and quarians just want to become naturists lol we'd just have to make it clear to council races that the alliance wouldnt be involed with heretic-geths and human elitists (cerberus)

it would work if they controlled the far east east side of the galaxy and stretch the territory south to the local cluster, if the council had any sense they would see it as a decent pact against the terminus systems because if either went to war with the terminus they would be flanked by the other side of the milky way, batarians would think twice before raiding colonies

Did you miss this part?

naledgeborn wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Quarian colonies could even eventually become co-equal members of the Alliance as well, with little conflict of interest. The terms of the treaty could be relatively simple, as well. The Quarians get the dextro-amino based garden worlds, and Humanity gets the Levo-amino based ones.

Annexing Quarian colonies into the Systems Alliance is a bad move IMO. It could potentially end in conflict as the Quarians recover and demand equal representation within the SA Parliment. Not too many humans would go crazy over Quarian sanctions and especially giving them votes in human legislation. The Citadel Council is bad enough IMO.

Edit: The last thing humanity needs are the quarians deciding it's course through politics.

Annexing anybody Geth, Krogan, Quarian ect. into the Systems Alliance Parilment is a terrible idea. Yes humanity needs allies to move forward but not at the cost of our individual progression. That's just stupid. Might as well rename the SAP into the Systems Alliance Inter-species Council. Not to mention that it would look like a major act of cold war to Citadel Council analysts and spies.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:20 .

[MiniMosher]

naledgeborn: no I obviously missed it :/

but the humans, geth and quarians (since becoming nomads) are all independant-minded species, perhaps they could just remain allies because they acknowledge each others independance instead? and not necessary integrate with each other on a political level but have good economic relations

I also forgot batarians have alot of systems in the south grrrr, well before my shepard blew one up

[naledgeborn]

The Volus being part of the Turian Hierarchy works because who the hell are the Volus going to go to war with and win? So the Turians let them be their secretaries in exchange for protection. It's a pretty decent racket when you think about it. But Geth and Krogan are dangerous. And when (not if) the Quarians get out of those suits they'll be dangerous too.

Alliance allies, yes. Alliance citizens, hell to the no power.

[MiniMosher]

yeah I see your point now, but then the hanar have the drell dont they, and I think the drell are supposedly on par with humans and turians in terms of physical ability, I wonder how the hanar deal with their risks despite them being their savours

though I'd only consider a human-krogan effort in a life&death situation (i.e. mass effect 3) its like what mordin said about cultural advancement, humans are waaay to diverse and socially complex to be friends with krogans, but quarians would make interesting buisness partners

indeed the geth are dangerous as they are essentially one person, so war with geth likely means war with ALL geth, but on a positive side if they help develop more EDI's then we would have some insurance

but then im a pro-alien spectre (dont get me wrong though I cant wait to dismiss the TC) shepard, the human lovers would burn me lol

[Han Shot First]

There would be no problem with the Quarians trading for resources.

But if they just park their fleet in a system claimed by some other species without permission, and start mining, they are violating that civilization's sovereignty. As such that species would be justified in taking hostile action  against the Quarians.

Assuming I'm running the Alliance and a Quarian fleet parks in an Alliance controlled system without permission, and starts mining, this is how I'd handle it:

1. Have Ambassador at the Citadel to lodge a formal complaint with the Citadel Council. The Quarians aren't a member species of course, but should things escalate to war I'm going to want the support of the other Council Species.

2. Dispatch envoy to the Migrant Fleet, complaining about the violation of Alliance sovereignty. Try to handle the situation diplomatically, but make it clear that the violation of human space won't be tolerated, and the Migrant Fleet is to leave ASAP. Inform Quarians that a failure to leave the system within X amount of days would be considered an act of War against the Alliance, and we will have no choice but to defend ourselves and our territorial rights to the planet in question.

3. Place the Alliance fleet on high alert cancelling all leave (vacation) for Alliance military personnel, and mobilize the fleet into strategic positions, poised to strike if need be. Flex muscles by conducting war games for the 'liberation' of the planet in question.

4. If the Quarian Fleet does not comply: Withdraw envoy from the Migrant Fleet, have Ambassador speak to the Citadel Council, reminding them of their duties in protecting the sovereignty of member species, and petition them for formal support in ejecting the Quarians from human space.

5. Issue formal declaration of war against the Quarians and simultaneously issue attack order to the Alliance fleet. Priority given to destruction of Quarian liveships. (doubtful the Quarians would be willing to risk the survival of their species to mine one system)

6. If the Quarians stand down and withdraw from the system at any time before Step 5, put the Alliance Fleet on stand down as well. Dispatch envoy to Migrant Fleet informing them that future incursions into human space without permission will not be tolerated, and may result in immediate military action.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 juillet 2011 - 08:15 .