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[KevShep]

bboynexus wrote...

How do you know it isn't of 'Reaper design'?

"Assumptions are dangerous".

The Codex strictly points out that the Protheans tried to mine Omega but failed. Only when another asteroid ran right into it did all the Element Zero become accessible.

Take a look into a reaper or look at the husks. Not to mention that other reaper artifacts in the game.

The collector base looks like a hive race built it rather then a reaper made object. It is clearly made by the protheans! Also the human reaper DOES look of reaper design ( notice the the difference in design) it however was made by the reapers....but not the base/ship itself. 
 
It says they Briefly mined it. Why would they Briefly mine it? The codex says that they could not get to the rest of it, but I think that they reason they did not is because they only needed enough to make a relay. 

Also you have to take in to consideration that Nothing is really known about the true plot of ME2. The player is left in the dark all the way through it, so assumptions is the only thing we can do.

[bboynexus]

John Locke N7 wrote...

i read a section or 2. i really wanted to read section 6 =[....

It'll be up on the 1st March. I'll be sure to link it.

Modifié par bboynexus, 08 février 2012 - 06:43 .

[bboynexus]

KevShep wrote...

Take a look into a reaper or look at the husks. Not to mention that other reaper artifacts in the game.

The collector base looks like a hive race built it rather then a reaper made object. It is clearly made by the protheans! Also the human reaper DOES look of reaper design ( notice the the difference in design) it however was made by the reapers....but not the base/ship itself.

No, it is not clearly built by the Protheans.

KevShep wrote...
It says they Briefly mined it. Why would they Briefly mine it? The codex says that they could not get to the rest of it, but I think that they reason they did not is because they only needed enough to make a relay.

Perhaps to get Element Zero much for the same reasons the current galactic civilizations do?

Are you aware of just how much Element Zero is needed to create - and maintain - a Mass Relay?

KevShep wrote...
Also you have to take in to consideration that Nothing is really known about the true plot of ME2. The player is left in the dark all the way through it, so assumptions is the only thing we can do.

Well, that's specious reasoning...

Modifié par bboynexus, 08 février 2012 - 06:45 .

[KevShep]

bboynexus wrote...

No, it is not clearly built by the Protheans.


Perhaps to get Element Zero much for the same reasons the current galactic civilizations do?

Are you aware of just how much Element Zero is needed to create - and maintain - a Mass Relay?

Well, that's specious reasoning...

It is built by them if you look at the facts that are there...
1. Protheans are a hive mind race.
2.The collector ship/base looks like a hive
3. The reapers design looks nothing like a HIVE...but we know that the protheans do. 2-1=1

Element Zero is used by all yes, but notice the very odd relay next to it. If the reapers built it it would look the same as the others. 1+1=2

Mass relays maintain themselves. Alot is also needed to make one. Thing is it is not said how much is used.

Modifié par KevShep, 08 février 2012 - 07:08 .

[Klijpope]

KevShep wrote...



It is built by them if you look at the facts that are there...
1. Protheans are a hive mind race.
2.The collector ship/base looks like a hive
3. The reapers design looks nothing like a HIVE...but we know that the protheans do. 2-1=1

Do we? Where is it said the Protheans have a hive mind? Must have missed it somewhere. Also, looks nothing like Feros, nor the prothean pyramids.

[KevShep]

Klijpope wrote...

KevShep wrote...



It is built by them if you look at the facts that are there...
1. Protheans are a hive mind race.
2.The collector ship/base looks like a hive
3. The reapers design looks nothing like a HIVE...but we know that the protheans do. 2-1=1

Do we? Where is it said the Protheans have a hive mind? Must have missed it somewhere. Also, looks nothing like Feros, nor the prothean pyramids.

Yes it does...The prothean/collector base is still alive with growths on everything. If you look beyond the growhts (since the growths are no longer present) and at the architecture it does look like feros and Ilos as do the pyramids (pyramids resemble the architecture seen on Illos).

Also there is nothing to say that the collector base and ships are reaper made. As mordin would say "Theory fits evidence".

Edit  Protheans are hive mind. look at there ability to meld with others (how they communicate) not to mention bug like in design. This is why the reapers are using them because a collector general can control them.

Modifié par KevShep, 08 février 2012 - 07:43 .

[bboynexus]

The Protheans are definitely a hive mind of sorts.

[bboynexus]

Which is why I said 'of sorts'.

[KevShep]

Arcian wrote...

KevShep wrote...

1. Protheans are a hive mind race.

As the BSN's foremost expert on the protheans, I would just like to let you know that you are wrong.

bboynexus wrote...

The Protheans are definitely a hive mind of sorts.

The definition of a hive mind is that every individual in the hive shares cognitive processes. This is not the case with the protheans. What they have is basically a more advanced version of the asari melding that allows them to read information and memories stored in matter.

Alow me to correct myself. I ment hive mind like!

So far the only...acutuall...  hive mind races is the Rachni and the geth. Every prothean shares a individual identity but the way they communicate is through shared memories and and thoughts....which is just like a hive mind. The only difference is the the protheans keep there individual identity.

[TheRevanchist]

wow....my mind...has been totaly blown by the OP...utterly and completely....this changes everything...

[KevShep]

Arcian wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

Which is why I said 'of sorts'.

KevShep wrote...

Alow me to correct myself. I ment hive mind like! 

Oh, good!

*Disengaging weapons of mass destruction*

They are still a hive mind they just have there individual Identity, besides thats not even the point I was making in the first place. 
 

[TheRevanchist]

However I have to say...there is a tiny fact I noticed in your dissertation that is inncorrect. You said Horizen was the largest colony the Collectors targeted. Yet Mass Effect: Incursion says Freedom's Progress had more then twice their numbers.

[snfonseka]

This is a copy of what I have posted in "steam" forum regarding the "Arival" section of this analysis post.


Regarding Human-Reaper as a vanguard: I didn't know about this theory until I read your post (probably due to the lack of activities in forums). Anyway as you mentioned, that theory is ridiculous for me also. Even though I reject the theory, I have a valid question (hope anyone can answer), why didn't Collectors wait until Reapers arrival to start that Human-Reaper project? Because by doing so Collectors took an unnecessary risk of been in the spot light of TIM/ Cerberus (I know someone can give an answer saying because of BWs' decision regarding the way of implementing ME2 story, but since we are trying have some fun by implementing a theory, I hope for more lore/ story base answer).

Regarding not using Alpha Relay instead of Citadel: Your analysis is a complete one.

Why choose Relay in Bahak System instead of Alpha Relay: I don't think there is a specific reason not to use Alpha relay in this case. The only reason I can think (at least for now), is that Alpha Relay is not connected with dark space. It merely a negligence from Reapers (or may be there are enough numbers of other possible Relays other than Alpha Relay).

Modifié par snfonseka, 09 février 2012 - 07:21 .

[Saints_]

Liking this so far.

[TheRevanchist]

I also have to say this...you have worded and explained yourself so magnificently. That when I was reading your entry for the Illusive Man...who I normally hate and despise...for the briefest of moments I thought "wow...this makes Shepard look really stupid..." Then i slapped myself when I remembered I would prefer death to becoming a Reaper.

[GnusmasTHX]

KevShep wrote...



So far the only...acutuall...  hive mind races is the Rachni and the geth. Every prothean shares a individual identity but the way they communicate is through shared memories and and thoughts....which is just like a hive mind. The only difference is the the protheans keep there individual identity.

No they communicated by speaking, and they share memories and thoughts through devices.

That's like saying the human race is a hive mind because we can send each other videos via mail.

[TheRevanchist]

Also...while Bioware is most likely reading your post and going "wow...we shoulda did THAT!" since I highly doubt they thought this story out THAT awsomely. Thinking about this series from this perspective can affectivly...in my own opinion...make ME2 offically Empire Strikes Back quality.

[GnusmasTHX]

Stop bumping this thread if Part 7/The Reapers part isn't out yet.

You're getting me excited for nothing.

[johhnytrash]

Dude, you bumped the thread by asking them not to bump the thread.

Oh, Sweet Irony!

[GnusmasTHX]

johhnytrash wrote...

Dude, you bumped the thread by asking them not to bump the thread.

Oh, Sweet Irony!

DAMMIT, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!

Why I oughta... 

[TheRevanchist]

I think you said dont bump the thread...but theres no harm in continueing discussion I think.

[Milady]

I took a cup of coffee, sat down relaxed and read it all. After that I was like: Wow (that guy has a lot of spare time to come up with great things like that!)

[Nerevar-as]

snfonseka wrote...

This is a copy of what I have posted in "steam" forum regarding the "Arival" section of this analysis post.


Regarding Human-Reaper as a vanguard: I didn't know about this theory until I read your post (probably due to the lack of activities in forums). Anyway as you mentioned, that theory is ridiculous for me also. Even though I reject the theory, I have a valid question (hope anyone can answer), why didn't Collectors wait until Reapers arrival to start that Human-Reaper project? Because by doing so Collectors took an unnecessary risk of been in the spot light of TIM/ Cerberus (I know someone can give an answer saying because of BWs' decision regarding the way of implementing ME2 story, but since we are trying have some fun by implementing a theory, I hope for more lore/ story base answer).

Regarding not using Alpha Relay instead of Citadel: Your analysis is a complete one.

Why choose Relay in Bahak System instead of Alpha Relay: I don't think there is a specific reason not to use Alpha relay in this case. The only reason I can think (at least for now), is that Alpha Relay is not connected with dark space. It merely a negligence from Reapers (or may be there are enough numbers of other possible Relays other than Alpha Relay).

About the human Reaper, the best theory I can think is that Reapers are so arrogant/selfconfident in their victory (and after more than 35 million years of cycles, with good reason) that once they found a worthy race they decided not to waste time. They just didn´t give the Collectors enough of an edge to win, as even a non upgraded Normandy can blow up their ship.

I always thought the Alpha Relay was simply the relay closest to the edge of that part of the galaxy, not a Citadel back-up. They had to "walk" all the way from wherever they rest in DS, and after Arival they had to travel an unknown number of light years to the next one.