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[CroGamer002]

This is a bit long thing to read and it's midnight for me.

I'll read it once I wake up but in mean time, watch this video:
Explaining Reaper plans

And also, no.
This is not my voice, friend of my voiced it instead of me since I don't speak English very clear.
But I did wrote it. Everything.

[KingNothing125]

Savber100 wrote...

Tell that to smudboy. 

lol I think I'll pass. It's hard enough to get people to realize the Virmire Survivor was at least a little justified for being a total ass on Horizon.

I'ma just let people have their hair-brained theories and I'll have mine

[Gorosaur]

I really hope this guy is onto something, I'll be so disappointed if Bioware does not give us an ending as complex as this.

[esalor]

This was a great read, thanks for the link. Looking forward to reading the rest.

The author's thoughts on the Protheans are certainly the most intriguing part and he deserves a beer and/or a medal for providing a wonderfully comprehensive and cogent answer to all criticism of ME2 plot.

Also, cursing myself for missing Eletania. I was looking for a reason to make another playthough anyway.

[George-Kinsill]

That was a very good read, especially with the Prothean-collector connection. How ironic it would be that the Protheans hoped to modify races to defeat the Reapers, and then the Reapers enslave them for it, and then have them work for 50,000 years correcting their rebellion.

[skcih-deraj]

Mind... blown.

That was an interesting read.

[CaptainHydra]

Good read, interesting theories... The one about Arrival has changed my view, mainly because I hadn't out to much thought it originally.

Thanks for the link FERMi

[ramdog7]

out of all the thread on ME, ME2 and ME3 this has got to be the most amazing post ever thanks for sharing and only one can hope that this theory holds up when we get to play ME3 in March

[Gatt9]

He has interesting theories, but some of them are pretty shaky. His justification of Arrival is weak at best.

First, Soverign's job was to lock down the galaxy in order to isolate the races and splinter their fleets. The terminator offers no such benefit, nor does making it Human help in any way. Given that the Reapers are obviously having a hard time handling the Alliance fleet in ME3, and that they didn't/couldn't lock down the galaxy, it's pretty obvious one Terminator isn't going to do anything meaningfull.

Nor does Arrival help any, it actually hurts. What's the point of the Terminator when the Reapers are already on their way, and will be doing their work long before the Terminator is online?

It's a massive plot hole that really makes no sense, both ME2's story and Arrival. ME3 actually makes the whole thing even more nonsensical.

I would imagine, if you play all 3 games back to back, you end up with a serious feeling that there's no consistency, which really isn't terribly surprising considering that if you get yourself reinstated, you keep introducing yourself as a former specter. Consistency isn't one of Bioware's strong points anymore.

[Bogsnot1]

Some people have waaaaaaay too much time on their hands.

[Shotokanguy]

I'm disappointed he hasn't finished it.

There are plenty of interesting ideas in there, thoughts are well connected, and it pretty much all makes sense.

That said, there's no reason to think he has everything 100% correct...but either way, I genuinely hope that there has been a comparable level of detail and care put into the trilogy's story.

[Raiil]

I like it. Food for thought, even if I don't agree with everything.

[Gorosaur]

Saphra Deden wrote...

He doesn't really bring up any theories I haven't already heard. Though his speculation about Mars is pretty silly. We already know exactly how the planet got to be the way it is and it had nothing to do with Reapers, I assure you.

The Cerberus/Alliance connection as put forth by him and by Zulu is fascinating and well thought-out, but I don't think it is true. There is simply no indication of the Alliance/Cerberus connection anywhere in ME2. It isn't even lampshaded. The Evolution comic also pretty much spells out how Cerberus was formed and it was never part of the Alliance. It's an old concept from ME1 that the developers have decided to drop.

It is possible the Protheans put together the cycle of extinction, but I doubt it. If they had then how come they allowed themselves to fall into the Citadel trap? Even Vigil says they were taken by surprise.

How would they get an inkling anyway? The mass extinction we've observed around the galaxy aren't anything special. Any species at any time could have perpetrated them. Imagine you are a species like the asari or krogan who live anywhere from 1500 to 2000 years. If you came across a bronze age species that species might only be two or three or four generations away from space flight. That means your grand children or great grandchildren may have to compete with these beings on an insterstellar level.

So if you are a particularly self-interested species, and any species that survives to achieve space travel will be, then why not wipe them out? With minimal expense you can utterly devestate them and never have to worry about a future competitor.

That has surely happened many times in the history of the galaxy. Not to say that none of those extinctions (or even all of them) aren't caused by Reapers, but approaching this from a skeptic's standpoint... why should we assume that they are? I'm going to need more proof.

Those are actually not the points he was making at all regarding the Protheans. They didn't orchestrate the mass extinctions, but rather have been working to defend against them in the future.

Also, I find the fact that Anderson met with the Cerberus officer incredibly interesting. And I have to say I like the Cerberus Alliance theory.

[AerisBru]

Wow, very good, specially the Prothean part. Bookmarked.

[Shotokanguy]

Gatt9 wrote...

He has interesting theories, but some of them are pretty shaky. His justification of Arrival is weak at best.

First, Soverign's job was to lock down the galaxy in order to isolate the races and splinter their fleets. The terminator offers no such benefit, nor does making it Human help in any way. Given that the Reapers are obviously having a hard time handling the Alliance fleet in ME3, and that they didn't/couldn't lock down the galaxy, it's pretty obvious one Terminator isn't going to do anything meaningfull.

Nor does Arrival help any, it actually hurts. What's the point of the Terminator when the Reapers are already on their way, and will be doing their work long before the Terminator is online?

It's a massive plot hole that really makes no sense, both ME2's story and Arrival. ME3 actually makes the whole thing even more nonsensical.

I would imagine, if you play all 3 games back to back, you end up with a serious feeling that there's no consistency, which really isn't terribly surprising considering that if you get yourself reinstated, you keep introducing yourself as a former specter. Consistency isn't one of Bioware's strong points anymore.

YOU don't know what the Human Reaper was for. None of us do. 

And where the hell does "The Reapers are having trouble handling the Alliance fleet in ME3" come from? We still know very little about ME3.

Don't throw around the phrase plot hole unless you know what it means.

[SerraAdvocate]

His section on the Prothean legacy is missing a particular point that works in his favor: the Eletania vision specifically says Shepard is seeing through the eyes of a Cro-Magnon hunter. That would typically be dated no farther back than 35,000 years. So, either a mistake was made - by Shepard, by BioWare - or the writers were making a point.

Modifié par Helm505, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:26 .

[Reciever80]

KingNothing125 wrote...

The Prothean Legacy section is mind-blowing. I don't know if guys at BioWare are like "wow this guy nailed us good" or are like "interesting, but you're way off"... but it's a very compelling theory.

The Arrival section is like a "no duh" section to me. I never thought the human reaper was supposed to be a replacement for Sovereign. I assumed the Reapers started FTL'ing to the Alpha Relay right after Sovereign failed in ME1. The Collectors are just putting the human reaper together as part of the normal "reaping" process.

That's exactly what I thought too. With the Prothean theory and the human reaper.

It wouldn't make sense for the human reaper to be the vanguard. why try the same thing twice? I had figured once sovereign exploded all over the citadel, the reapers knew they couldn't wait longer.

[Reciever80]

Helm505 wrote...

His section on the Prothean legacy is missing a particular point that works in his favor: the Eletania vision specifically says Shepard is seeing through the eyes of a Cro-Magnon hunter. That would typically be dated no farther back than 35,000 years. So, either a mistake was made - by Shepard, by BioWare - or the writers were making a point.

Sorry to double post, but to clarify....

The cycle of extinction is reported to be about every 50,000. I'm pretty sure the guy was just grabbing at numbers when he was writing that part. Not that it makes a difference. To be exact, i thought the protheans vanished 37,000 years ago. Could be wrong though. Can someone check the codex? I'm about to hit the sack.

Great read though. Only the prothean section really affected me, thought the rest was sort of obvious

[Savber100]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Gorosaur wrote...

Those are actually not the points he was making at all regarding the Protheans. They didn't orchestrate the mass extinctions, but rather have been working to defend against them in the future.

I didn't say they did.

Take a class on reading comprehension before you respond to another one of my posts.

Thanks.

Ah Saphra... You just couldn't leave it at "I didn't say they did" without adding something to make it personal. 

[Shockwave81]

I'm all for in-depth theories and well conceived arguments, but I will feel very sorry for the author of the dissertation if BioWare don't even touch on any of his/her points in Mass Effect 3. So much time wasted...

If, on the other hand, the author has hit the nail (or nails) on the head, then I'll be thoroughly impressed.

[Biotic Sage]

While I'm sure that Bioware has not even considered half of the points this guy brings up, this is a very coherent and insightful critical analysis based on what we know so far. Made me see Arrival in a whole new light for one, and was an interesting reflection on the possible motivations of the different factions. My only nitpicky complaint is that he consistently uses the word "infer" when he actually means "imply." Fix that and it's a bonafide essay. Bravo sir!

*Edit: Also the spelling of "rouge" (rogue is the spelling he's looking for).  Rouge is makeup.  Sorry for grammar trolling but I couldn't help it.  When I read that Cerberus went "rouge" that takes on a comletely different meaning...

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:48 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Ya good article, but why not post in the official Bioware network ?