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[CrimsonZephyr]

Drazlol wrote...

Remember that you need to be a Warden to kill an Archdemon, the Warden must do the killing blow. Maybe it's the same thing with Cory? He transferred his essence to the closest darkspawn that ended up being Larius.

But then why didn't it kill Corypheus? Doesn't that usually end in the obliteration of both the Warden and the Archdemon?

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[Tragic_Arsenic]

If you have Anders with you, he mentions The Architect several times if he's still alive. Interesting to note for sure. I think it implies that we may be seeing more of these "Awakened Emissaries" in the next game, especially since Cory "survives" even though you kill him.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they retconned the OGB into canon as well.

[tmp7704]

I suppose with this DLC the BioWare guys indeed created a plausible way for themselves to bring the talking darkspawn into the future installments whether the player killed the Architect or not.

Quite elegant...

[Drz]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Drazlol wrote...

Remember that you need to be a Warden to kill an Archdemon, the Warden must do the killing blow. Maybe it's the same thing with Cory? He transferred his essence to the closest darkspawn that ended up being Larius.

But then why didn't it kill Corypheus? Doesn't that usually end in the obliteration of both the Warden and the Archdemon?

I honestly feel Larius is more of an Darkspawn than a Grey Warden.

[TheJediSaint]

Yeah, definitely got the possession vide from Larius, It's so obvious that I almost wonder if Bioware is throwing us a red-herring. In any case, if Cori did hitch a ride on a Grey Warden and thus is fated to become a pain in the butt for players at a later date. Well...fine, bring it on!

[nubbers666]

oh ya  as  vareic said
every thing comes back to haunt us in the end<_< dam talking dark spawn

[Jorina Leto]

It's obvious. The surviving warden is possessed by Cory.

The question is: Is Cory going to be the big bad of DA3?

[Greed1914]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

For me the suspicion came less from what he said and more from the look on his face - that sort of sly, contented smile. That wasn't the look of someone free from torment. That was the look of someone waking to a newness of body and power.

Yeah, that expression as he turned from Hawke definitely made me think, "Whoops."  Sure, he mentioned that we have a new ally, so he seems grateful, but it might be an ally we don't want in the end.  As usual, Bioware likes to set things up so we speculate a lot.

[R-F]

If Larius is now Cory than I hereby begin the petition for him to be a new companion in future instalments. I want to talk to him for hours and hours about his history. Also he sure shut Anders up which was fun.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Drazlol wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Drazlol wrote...

Remember that you need to be a Warden to kill an Archdemon, the Warden must do the killing blow. Maybe it's the same thing with Cory? He transferred his essence to the closest darkspawn that ended up being Larius.

But then why didn't it kill Corypheus? Doesn't that usually end in the obliteration of both the Warden and the Archdemon?

I honestly feel Larius is more of an Darkspawn than a Grey Warden.

But is a human ghoul the same as a hurlock? I mean, if the taint progresses as it usually does, Larius would turn into a full ghoul and then eventually wither and die. I thought Archdemons only bodysurfed through broodmother-born darkspawn. Or maybe it was a misconception born out of the fact Archdemon V didn't have any ghouls with him on Fort Drakon.

[Heather Cline]

Yeah I suspected that the moment Larius started speaking more clearly and the same with Janeka. You know that either of them were taken over the moment Corypheus died. Just the look on their face when they turn away to leave is a dead give away.

[ColumnarPower]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Yeah, definitely got the possession vide from Larius, It's so obvious that I almost wonder if Bioware is throwing us a red-herring. In any case, if Cori did hitch a ride on a Grey Warden and thus is fated to become a pain in the butt for players at a later date. Well...fine, bring it on!

You make a good point, I didn't consider that it might have been a fake-out.  If you just go by the dialog, I can see there being a chance that nothing happened.  But that little smirk Larius has on his face as he walks away... That pretty much sells it, I think.    It's so obvious that I don't think it can be a fake.  Kind of a I know that you know that I know kind of thing.

The only real question in my mind is whether this is setting us up for another DLC or if this was meant to be along the lines of Morrigan's warning about a coming threat at the end of Origins' Witch Hunt.  My guess is the latter, although I'm having trouble seeing how Larius/Corypheus fits into the already pretty messed up Thedas that we should be seeing in Dragon Age III.

[TheJediSaint]

dpoulton wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Yeah, definitely got the possession vide from Larius, It's so obvious that I almost wonder if Bioware is throwing us a red-herring. In any case, if Cori did hitch a ride on a Grey Warden and thus is fated to become a pain in the butt for players at a later date. Well...fine, bring it on!

You make a good point, I didn't consider that it might have been a fake-out.  If you just go by the dialog, I can see there being a chance that nothing happened.  But that little smirk Larius has on his face as he walks away... That pretty much sells it, I think.    It's so obvious that I don't think it can be a fake.  Kind of a I know that you know that I know kind of thing.

The only real question in my mind is whether this is setting us up for another DLC or if this was meant to be along the lines of Morrigan's warning about a coming threat at the end of Origins' Witch Hunt.  My guess is the latter, although I'm having trouble seeing how Larius/Corypheus fits into the already pretty messed up Thedas that we should be seeing in Dragon Age III.

I'm going to avoid making assumptions about Cori's possible return in future content.  All that I'm sure about is that Bioware is far from finished with making Hawke's life excessvily difficult.  Poor guy (or girl) can never catch a break.

[whykikyouwhy]

TheJediSaint wrote...

I'm going to avoid making assumptions about Cori's possible return in future content.  All that I'm sure about is that Bioware is far from finished with making Hawke's life excessvily difficult.  Poor guy (or girl) can never catch a break.

Is it that Hawke's life will be difficult, or that the hero's life will be difficult? There are a few things that occur in DA:O that have the potential for negative repercussions (I'm talking about you, Kitty!). I think this is more about the consequences that are naturally involved whenever there is something of tremendous power in play, be it magical or mundane (ie, political power). Hawke may just have a penchant for greater folly.

What will be interesting to see explored is whether or not Larius is integrated back into the Warden order/community. Is Larius considered "dead" to the world, therefore a possessed Larius will start a new life? Or will Larius hold some sway amongst the Wardens (possibly as 'living' evidence of the ability to survive the Taint)?

[Drz]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Drazlol wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Drazlol wrote...

Remember that you need to be a Warden to kill an Archdemon, the Warden must do the killing blow. Maybe it's the same thing with Cory? He transferred his essence to the closest darkspawn that ended up being Larius.

But then why didn't it kill Corypheus? Doesn't that usually end in the obliteration of both the Warden and the Archdemon?

I honestly feel Larius is more of an Darkspawn than a Grey Warden.

But is a human ghoul the same as a hurlock? I mean, if the taint progresses as it usually does, Larius would turn into a full ghoul and then eventually wither and die. I thought Archdemons only bodysurfed through broodmother-born darkspawn. Or maybe it was a misconception born out of the fact Archdemon V didn't have any ghouls with him on Fort Drakon.

Larius did die, he says so but yeah he's insane. He says that the darkness inside him kept him alive, so maybe his heart stopped but he didn't fell in combat so he just rose again?

I was under the impression the Archdemon could just resurrect thru a Darkspawn, considering the 1st Blight's Arch Demon kept dying over and over, but they couldn't stop him from resurrecting.

[Lonely21]

cool =)

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Larius is not possessed, Corypheus was like a jackhammer of voices in his head, when we killed him he stopped calling (and remember we killed all the darkspawn in the area so the calling would be fairly quiet now comparatively). Plus he went right back to the Wardens (Varric tells us so) so unless The Warden is an idiot, Larius is not possessed but just insane.

His coment about freedom and the ominous music is because he's a warden like Anders, he's never free he is always tainted. He will die in insanity no matter what he does, the music is to punctuate the suffering of a hero and the sacrifices he makes. (it a bittersweet victory).

Modifié par TOBY FLENDERSON, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:08 .

[Macropodmum]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Drazlol wrote...

Remember that you need to be a Warden to kill an Archdemon, the Warden must do the killing blow. Maybe it's the same thing with Cory? He transferred his essence to the closest darkspawn that ended up being Larius.

But then why didn't it kill Corypheus? Doesn't that usually end in the obliteration of both the Warden and the Archdemon?

Because Corypheus wasn't an old god (archdemon) he was an old magister, and I'm guessing like Flemeth he probably knows how to body hop...

[Todrazok]

"If i cannot leave with you, i will leave through you", maybe corypheus meant possessing with that sentence and not just kill everyone. 

[Huntress]

Drazlol wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Drazlol wrote...

Remember that you need to be a Warden to kill an Archdemon, the Warden must do the killing blow. Maybe it's the same thing with Cory? He transferred his essence to the closest darkspawn that ended up being Larius.

But then why didn't it kill Corypheus? Doesn't that usually end in the obliteration of both the Warden and the Archdemon?

I honestly feel Larius is more of an Darkspawn than a Grey Warden.

He is, he is close to ghoul creature, I killed that pest.

[Huntress]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

I'm going to avoid making assumptions about Cori's possible return in future content.  All that I'm sure about is that Bioware is far from finished with making Hawke's life excessvily difficult.  Poor guy (or girl) can never catch a break.

Is it that Hawke's life will be difficult, or that the hero's life will be difficult? There are a few things that occur in DA:O that have the potential for negative repercussions (I'm talking about you, Kitty!). I think this is more about the consequences that are naturally involved whenever there is something of tremendous power in play, be it magical or mundane (ie, political power). Hawke may just have a penchant for greater folly.

What will be interesting to see explored is whether or not Larius is integrated back into the Warden order/community. Is Larius considered "dead" to the world, therefore a possessed Larius will start a new life? Or will Larius hold some sway amongst the Wardens (possibly as 'living' evidence of the ability to survive the Taint)?

He can't be back to the gray warden he is a one step of becoming a ghoul himself.. did you find his notes? His time was already done, he was a gray warden for 30 years, talk to him and he said: I died.. blah blah.. If you let that.. thing lose is going to be really bad, just as bad as DAA if you leave the first go.

[whykikyouwhy]

@Huntress - Larius is technically dead, yes. Or at least is all but dead and is being sustained by the taint. But if he were to be possessed, or simply a host for Corypheus, then it may be feasible for him to return to the Wardens. The Wardens in the dlc wanted to raise/awaken Corypheus for study, so I think the order may welcome 'someone who has seemingly survived the calling, if only for research and investigation. The implications of that perceived survival would be of value.

Just theorizing though.

[denise12184]

I was telling my husband this same thing as soon as I heard him speak! Not to repeat what everyone else has said, but Larius was far into his Calling by then. Only death is supposed to end that. And the speech patterns...Corypheus had a very distinct pattern to his speech that Laruis suddenly assumed. Interesting thought about how a Warden is needed to kill an archdemon..Larius was nearly a darkspawn himself.

[Huntress]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@Huntress - Larius is technically dead, yes. Or at least is all but dead and is being sustained by the taint. But if he were to be possessed, or simply a host for Corypheus, then it may be feasible for him to return to the Wardens. The Wardens in the dlc wanted to raise/awaken Corypheus for study, so I think the order may welcome 'someone who has seemingly survived the calling, if only for research and investigation. The implications of that perceived survival would be of value.

Just theorizing though.

But he is a creature thing, who scaped a prison, would you really invite a ghoul brother or sister to you're house for tea? think please thats all I ask. He talks but he is a creature and a tainted creature on top of that, he deserver a swift death.

You know the Ghoul guy really made more sense to me than the warden's but, I don't go just killing about I think about what am i going to do.. At the end it came clear.. Thats why I kill him, doesn't matter how sweet it speak, I had to think of what had happen after that thing was out..

Modifié par Huntress, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .

[Torax]

I doubt they'd truly go this route for writing. Then it could would be forced to take a more convoluted plot.

The body he went into was not a magic user as far as we know. Also he wouldn't have a motive to go there and risk discovery. For example while the Grey Wardens may know the locations of the 2 remaining Old Gods? He would most likely have known this already in the past. Also it's more risk to expose yourself to the First Warden who may just kill him for safety's sake.