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[Giltspur]

It's possible that Larius (and Janeka) knows a blood magic ritual (like Morrigan and Flemeth) that allows the soul of Corypheus to be absorbed into his body at death.  Given Corypheus's calling, it's possible that he "taught" them the blood magic needed to allow his entry into their bodies upon death, and that they weren't entirely willing subjects.

Modifié par Giltspur, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:10 .

[tmp7704]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

But if he were to be possessed, or simply a host for Corypheus, then it may be feasible for him to return to the Wardens.

I got impression he didn't actually return to the Wardens -- he talks about that in front of Hawke iirc, but then when it switches to Cassandra and Varric, Cassandra says the Wardens didn't even mention him. This could be just the Wardens being quiet about it, or it could be simply Larius never actually went back to them, so they aren't aware he's out there.

[Torax]

tmp7704 wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

But if he were to be possessed, or simply a host for Corypheus, then it may be feasible for him to return to the Wardens.

I got impression he didn't actually return to the Wardens -- he talks about that in front of Hawke iirc, but then when it switches to Cassandra and Varric, Cassandra says the Wardens didn't even mention him. This could be just the Wardens being quiet about it, or it could be simply Larius never actually went back to them, so they aren't aware he's out there.

Well it wasn't necessarily her or a high ranking Seeker that the Wardens were talking to. Thus they would have no reason to explain themselves to them. The Wardens have many secrets as they must. Plus many would probably like to believe that some things in the brutal World that is Thedas are at least more pure they actually are. Like the Old Tales of the Grey Wardens.

[tmp7704]

Torax wrote...

Well it wasn't necessarily her or a high ranking Seeker that the Wardens were talking to. Thus they would have no reason to explain themselves to them. The Wardens have many secrets as they must. Plus many would probably like to believe that some things in the brutal World that is Thedas are at least more pure they actually are. Like the Old Tales of the Grey Wardens.

Sure; but by the same token (the world being far from pure) there's hardly any reason for Larius to actually do what he claims he's planning to, when he can instead leg it and work on his world domination plans 

edit: or, on second thought... if Corypheus retains his powers then he can still control the Wardens through the taint. So, he may actually return to them, except...

"implications unpleasant"

Modifié par tmp7704, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:23 .

[Kenshen]

Larius and Janeka both were possessed from the very begining. It doesn't make any sense to release such a powerful creature to start. Plus if that prison had been around for as long as is said in game no way the wards would be weakening after just 40 years or whatever it was when father was there. Hawke was the victim of a con job since he/she and surviving family member are the only ones that could break the seals.

[BigEvil]

Just finished the DLC for the first time, siding with Larius and it does seem to be heavily leaning towards Corypheus possessing them and being free. When you get back to the mansion and finish the conversations there, the text for the completed quest reads "Corypheus has been defeated. For now."

Perhaps that's too obvious and he isn't free, but has not been destroyed either. We likely have not seen the last of him though.

[Who is that Masked Man]

I haven't tried the Janeka path yet, but I'm not really surprised to hear that Corypheus still escapes in the body of a possessed Warden.

Still, I think there's potential for Hawke's choice being more than just cosmetic later on down the road.

Larius path: Maybe his advanced case of darkspawn corruption makes Corypheus weaker. Since Larius never wanted a deal with Corypheus, maybe his soul is actively fighting the possession. Maybe his soul will meld with Corypheus and they'll go off and do good deeds and whatever like the darkspawn Messenger.

Janeka path: Since Janeka is young and strong and a mage herself, Corypheus-Janeka is much more powerful than Corypheus-Larius would have been. Or, Janeka is a much more cooperative host than Larius is, so Corypheus is able to draw on her Grey Warden knowledge and stuff. Or, Janeka soul-melds with Corypheus and the composite creature becomes a gray, "end the Blight at any cost" kind of monster like the Architect is.

Basically I'm really hoping that it comes down to more than just "Sorry, same deal either way."

[Nimpe]

If you side with the womanladyperson, it makes it really obvious she is possessed.

[ArenCordial]

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the darkspawn may not be the great threat of Thedas but instead its the Old Gods. Maybe not in a destroy the world kind of way, but I get the feeling like they are master chess players manipulating the world against something. Maybe against the maker, maybe just for their own power.

Dumat seems to have manipulated the magister's into crossing the veil, whether to taint the Golden City or bring the darkspawn taint into Thedas, who knows. Could be the taint was meant by the Maker or whatever inhabits the Black City to punish the Old Gods for being behind the ploy to invade the Golden City. I mean the darkspawn are attracted to the Old Gods specifically.

Flemeth often speculated to be possessed by an Old God rather than a demon, attempts to manipulate Morrigan and the Warden to save an Old God from the taint. So this could be an attempt to dodge the Marker (or whatevers) punishment.

Somehow I think there is more to the story though...

Still I'm confident the Old Gods are more a threat than most realize.

Modifié par ArenCordial, 28 juillet 2011 - 04:14 .

[stewie1974]

Larius said "2000 years the magic held"

Later in the game free marches haven't been part of the trevinter imperuim for 600 years

Wiki said the -first- blight happened 1000 years prior to origins..... which is where DA2 starts with fleeing from lothering.

Also malcom hawke only put the spells in place like ....30 years ago?...

What is liarus talking about when he says 2000 years????????

[tmp7704]

stewie1974 wrote...

Larius said "2000 years the magic held"

He said it holds for 2000 years. As in, from the moment it's cast. But weakens over time, and has to be re-inforced every now and then by a mage who isn't a grey warden.

[Vicious]

If you side with Janeka, the game BEATS YOU OVER THE HEAD AND SHOULDERS with the knowledge that Corypheus is inside her, though Hawke doesn't really notice.

With Larius, it's a bit more subtle, but still obvious.

And with the codex entries, it's now obvious that Kirkwall is a cursed city, and that's why everyone goes psycho, particularly Mages.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Larius does not speak with the weird syntax and grammar that Corypheus uses. Why is that?

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:18 .

[TheJediSaint]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Larius does not speak with the weird syntax and grammar that Corypheus uses. Why is that?

Because that would just be a little too obvious, so obvious that you would wonder why in-game characters would not pick up on it.

[CrimsonZephyr]

TheJediSaint wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Larius does not speak with the weird syntax and grammar that Corypheus uses. Why is that?

Because that would just be a little too obvious, so obvious that you would wonder why in-game characters would not pick up on it.

So Corypheus picks up on two thousand years of linguistic development in a matter of moments? Impressive.

EDIT: Oh ****, he uses Yoda speak in one instance, just like Corypheus at the end: "My gratitude you have..."

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:31 .

[Macropodmum]

tmp7704 wrote...

edit: or, on second thought... if Corypheus retains his powers then he can still control the Wardens through the taint. So, he may actually return to them, except...

"implications unpleasant"

I was thinking this, especially being that one of the codex entries mentioned wardens(?) coming back to their senses when removed far enough from his presence...to me this would point to the fact he would probably have no problems with mind controlling wardens near his proximity (unless maybe they had the Litany of Adralla)...

[tmp7704]

Macropodmum wrote...

to me this would point to the fact he would probably have no problems with mind controlling wardens near his proximity (unless maybe they had the Litany of Adralla)...

Yup, if that's the case then going to see the First Warden would be quite clever thing to do.

As if the mages-templars war thing wasn't mess enough already, without third force potentially butting in...

[Prince of Kemet]

adaless wrote...

Possession was my first thought when he was suddenly lucid after the battle. I could see that as the basis for another DLC, maybe where Hawke finds out that Larius/Corypheus is trying to raise his god Dumat as a new archdemon, and has to prevent it.

Not Dumat but perhaps one of or BOTH of the remaining old gods........can you imagine having to deal with two archdemons at the same time......it would be Epic..no.....BIBLICAL.!!!

[tmp7704]

Only if they staple them together.

[Prince of Kemet]

tmp7704 wrote...

Only if they staple them together.

One SUPER archdemon perhaps???

[tmp7704]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Only if they staple them together.

One SUPER archdemon perhaps???

I can see it heading somewhere...

in fact, i'll see your super archdemon and raise rise the five extinguished archdemons from the dead, combined Voltron style

... with two stapled not-yet-featured archdemons forming the head, of course.

(and then we can have Corypheus ride it, while playing a banjo)

Modifié par tmp7704, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:16 .

[Nivilant]

@tmp7704: That...is a beautiful image.

Anyway, yeah. Possessed. I was kind of mentally screaming at Hawke "for the love of-!!!! Strike him down, you moron!" That said, I like Corypheus, and I'd love to find out more either about him or from him. Maybe it turns out the chantry has everything wrong. This would not surprise me.

[Prince of Kemet]

tmp7704 wrote...

Prince of Kemet wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Only if they staple them together.

One SUPER archdemon perhaps???

I can see it heading somewhere...

in fact, i'll see your super archdemon and raise rise the five extinguished archdemons from the dead, combined Voltron style

... with two stapled not-yet-featured archdemons forming the head, of course.

(and then we can have Corypheus ride it, while playing a banjo)

I don't know about the banjo part but, him throwing lightning would be interesting.

[Calemyr]

Actually, it might have simply been a trick of camera placement when I won the fight, but I saw Larry react when Cory died. It's pretty clear Cory (or a piece of Cory) escaped.

Taking a Warden sibling doesn't do much, as their taint hasn't had time to take proper root, but Anders responds poorly to it, arguing with Cory the whole time as you descend level by level until he snaps and attacks the party. Beating the snot out of him restores his sanity, however, and everyone wisely puts the event behind them.

It is reasonable to imagine that if Cory understood the old gods well enough to emulate their songs, even subconsciously, that he'd be able to replicate their effective immortality. However, his soul could be "smaller" than an old god's, allowing him to ride in a Warden's body when old god would have died with its host. Otherwise, Larry's ghoul status could explain it, but Janeka should have died in the attempt.

[MisanthropePrime]

Here's something interesting (sorry if it's been pointed out before):

What beings have been shown to transfer consciousness to another body upon death? The Archdemons: something Corypheus has been said to mimic throughout the DLC. It also explains my question of "why didn't he possess someone instantly upon awakening"- because he needs to be killed, much like an archdemon, and will then possess the nearest tainted individual, like how the Archdemon goes to a Grey Warden or Morrigan's unborn child (who, being fathered by a warden, presumably carries the taint).

Of course, the question therein is why does it (theoretically) go to Larius or Janeka, rather than Carver, Bethany or Anders, if they're in your group. Now, Anders may not have any "room" in his body, due to justice being there, but you've got to wonder why he couldn't possess Carver or Bethany. I'd have loved if BW allowed an alternate ending if you brought along your sibling and they were a grey warden, wherein they get possessed by Corypheus instead of Larius or Janeka, and the NPCs only getting possessed if they are not brought along.