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[Ghost1041]

If I cannot leave with you, I will leave THROUGH you. nuff said about possessed or not possessed argument.

[Calemyr]

Went through it again with another save. Gotta say the joking persona of Hawke gets some awesome lines this time around. But one line caught me off guard...

(Warden) Bethany: "Why is everyone whispering?"

In other words, even the sibling Wardens don't seem to be beyond his influence, he just can't get enough of a grip on them to do anything worthwhile.

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...

Its BioWare however. Despite hinting at more to come or giving you an ominous choice at the end of a game/DLC, when have those choices EVER come back as a major consequence in future content? They don't - BioWare is all about giving you choices that, if any consequence follows, its more than likely railroaded to one point.

How many people were saying the same thing after Origins with Morrigan and the OGB? Or Awakening with the Architect?

Of course, it seems this DLC is more about simply giving the illusion of choice, since the "possession" seems to happens no matter what, so its not much of a choice/consequence at all, really.

This is a railroaded choice, though, like Arrival was in ME2. I think that means they're planning on having Corypheus return, as opposed to the Architect. 

[nikkylee]

Dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but I just watched my boyfriend beat the DLC, and right after Corypheus's eyes do their blue glowy thing when you kill him the screen shows Hawke watching for a moment. In the background. Larius jerks back like someone just smacked him on the forehead.

I'm calling possessed, for sure.

[whykikyouwhy]

@nikkylee - I noticed that when playing last night. Now, it could probably be argued that Larius was jerking back from having been "released" from Corypheus's voice/influence, but I am leaning toward possession. His follow-up dialogue with Hawke is punctuated with several references to "freedom" and also the prison being "no more."
EDIT: Something else to consider is the achievement you unlock - the conductor.
which can be defined as "a material capable of transmitting another form of energy." So Hawke is the conductor of the magister's energy/essence from one vessel to another. Maybe?

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:25 .

[jlb524]

Calemyr wrote...

(Warden) Bethany: "Why is everyone whispering?"

In other words, even the sibling Wardens don't seem to be beyond his influence, he just can't get enough of a grip on them to do anything worthwhile.

She says the same if in the Circle.

The GW siblings are surprisingly immune to Corypheus.  I don't know if that has something to do with the magic in their 'Hawke blood' or what (as Malcolm's blood is what is keeping him imprisoned)...that would be my guess.

Modifié par jlb524, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:26 .

[FieryDove]

jlb524 wrote...

The GW siblings are surprisingly immune to Corypheus.  I don't know if that has something to do with the magic in their 'Hawke blood' or what (as Malcolm's blood is what is keeping him imprisoned)...that would be my guess.

Perhaps we are all fooled and Cory is rattling around in Hawke's head just waiting...

[Sepewrath]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@nikkylee - I noticed that when playing last night. Now, it could probably be argued that Larius was jerking back from having been "released" from Corypheus's voice/influence, but I am leaning toward possession. His follow-up dialogue with Hawke is punctuated with several references to "freedom" and also the prison being "no more."
EDIT: Something else to consider is the achievement you unlock - the conductor.
which can be defined as "a material capable of transmitting another form of energy." So Hawke is the conductor of the magister's energy/essence from one vessel to another. Maybe?

Well you could also make the case that Hawke was the Conductor used for breaking the seals. But he did have a little flip out at the end there when he looked at him.

[Prince of Kemet]

I found it particularly cool when Larius kills Janeka.

[Macropodmum]

jlb524 wrote...

Calemyr wrote...

(Warden) Bethany: "Why is everyone whispering?"

In other words, even the sibling Wardens don't seem to be beyond his influence, he just can't get enough of a grip on them to do anything worthwhile.

She says the same if in the Circle.

Fenris also keeps saying "can you hear that?" in the same places Bethany mentions whispering if you take him along

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Thedas must be a pretty f***ed up place in DA3. You've got the Mage-Templar war, then possibly another Fereldan-Orlais war, Corypheus running around in a new body AND that mysterious problem the Wardens are having during act 2. No wonder the Seekers are trying to find Hawke and The Warden.

[aragfore03]

Definitely possessed. I think it was very clear unless you think Larius jerking around like that was an animation glitch. A grey warden needs to kill him or else he'll just keep jumping from one tainted body to the next. I don't think this necessarily signals another blight but I really don't know what the magisters goals would be given how confused he is. My theory is that he may look to see the rise of Tevinter again and may try to bring the might of the darkspawn to the aid of the mages and the Imperium in the coming war. That's my two cents.

[Hel]

What gave Larius' possession by Corypheus away as well were the change in eyes. Before the final cutscene Larius had plain, tainted eyes, but during the cutscene they were replaced by Corypheus' eyes.

[whykikyouwhy]

Removed - inadvertant misplaced posting

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 31 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[Melessqr]

Seems like Hawke would be more suspicious, especially after having just dealt with Merrill and her Keeper.

[whykikyouwhy]

Melessqr wrote...

Seems like Hawke would be more suspicious, especially after having just dealt with Merrill and her Keeper.

Depends on when the Legacy quest is accessed. It could be before Act 3. It could be as early as Act 1. If anything, Hawke might have been a bit more alert of the possibilities of possession considering her association with Anders.

Of course, how often are Grey Wardens possessed? Is there a precedent? The thought may not have even occured to Hawke. It was more about fighting the big bad, making things as right as possible, and then heading home.

[Annarl]

In Exile wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Its BioWare however. Despite hinting at more to come or giving you an ominous choice at the end of a game/DLC, when have those choices EVER come back as a major consequence in future content? They don't - BioWare is all about giving you choices that, if any consequence follows, its more than likely railroaded to one point.

How many people were saying the same thing after Origins with Morrigan and the OGB? Or Awakening with the Architect?

Of course, it seems this DLC is more about simply giving the illusion of choice, since the "possession" seems to happens no matter what, so its not much of a choice/consequence at all, really.

This is a railroaded choice, though, like Arrival was in ME2. I think that means they're planning on having Corypheus return, as opposed to the Architect. 

Absolutely, it was a railroaded choice.  We know that Cory will be back in one form or the other.  But at least the story in this DLC was better, well for me it was.  

[richleroow]

All of these theories are extreamly interesting, I had not considered possession untill i read these posts. Although Larius acting in the end was very strange i didn't consider it may have ment more.

And this may have been mentioned but when Cory apeares he starts talking about how the Golden City was black when it was supposed to be golden. This may just be me being stupid but the way he said it it seamed like the golden city was already corrupt when the magistres entered it.

[whykikyouwhy]

richleroow wrote...

All of these theories are extreamly interesting, I had not considered possession untill i read these posts. Although Larius acting in the end was very strange i didn't consider it may have ment more.

And this may have been mentioned but when Cory apeares he starts talking about how the Golden City was black when it was supposed to be golden. This may just be me being stupid but the way he said it it seamed like the golden city was already corrupt when the magistres entered it.

I posted some thoughts about this on another thread, but will paste a portion here since this thread is going in that direction as well:

The Black City is supposed to be the one constant in the Fade. So before the Golden City became Black, was it a constant in the Fade as well? When the Old Gods were first imprisoned and their minds were freshly traversing the Fade, was the Golden City visible?

The wiki states this about Spirits of the Fade – “The malicious ones among the Maker's first children were jealous. They called out to the mortals, drawing their sleeping minds across the veil and saw the land that the Maker had created for them in their dreams. They coveted the spark within them, but did not understand it. They shape the Fade to create the land that they see in the minds of men, and seek to draw the spark from them without truly understanding where it might actually come from.”

So…if the Golden City was visible from the Fade, perhaps it was not the actual crossing of the threshold that corrupted it. Maybe when both the spirits called to mortals and gleaned what the living world was, they then shaped the Fade as a mirror. And the Golden City became Black from that reshaping alone since the hearts and souls of men may have been dark with envy, greed, and the like. But it was when the magisters actually managed to cross into the Golden-Black City that the taint was unleashed – it was no longer held in the spiritual realm, but could cross over into the world of men – the magisters being the conduit of sorts. Not exactly the cause of the taint, but the cause of it becoming rampant. Which then makes it so that mankind was the source of the taint all along. (Of course this then eschews the Chantry teachings of the Blight being a literal curse brought about by hubris.)

Just my speculation at this point.

[Sepewrath]

Melessqr wrote...

Seems like Hawke would be more suspicious, especially after having just dealt with Merrill and her Keeper.

Well I don't think you can go around assuming possession unless your a Templar spec lol. Corypheus wasn't a demon and Larius wasn't a mage, so what happened with Merrill and the Keeper wouldn't really apply.


I would definitely agree that the the Golden CIty was either corrupted long before the magisters got there or it was never golden to begin with. Here's a random one, maybe the dwarves use to be connected to the Fade as well and when they lost their connection, it threw the place out of balance and it became corrupt.

[jaybee93]

It's not just Larius who might be possessed. If you side with Janeka, after the battle as she walks away she says she "feels like a whole new person," and smiles to herself. Very suspicious.

[Blacklash93]

If there was ever any doubt that Corypheus posesses Larius or Janeka, look at the finsher movies.



You see them stumble back and then hold their head in the backround right before he dies.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 31 juillet 2011 - 09:24 .

[Sidney]

Awesomness wrote...

Thedas must be a pretty f***ed up place in DA3. You've got the Mage-Templar war, then possibly another Fereldan-Orlais war, Corypheus running around in a new body AND that mysterious problem the Wardens are having during act 2. No wonder the Seekers are trying to find Hawke and The Warden.

I thought the problem the Wardens were up to was the tower or Cory.  He would seem to be a big problem. Not the same guys as are with Janeka (I think I only recall the guy with the moustache) but maybe looking for her or looking to help her?

..and yes, Larius seems possessed although if with the Warden/Taint/AD logic shouldn't he be immune from soul transfer?

[Rifneno]

Lots of people still on the fence about the possession? The surviving warden is possessed. Trust me. They're not making it jawdroppingly obvious because it's a red herring, they're doing it because they want you to know Corypheus isn't dead. There's few literary moves that audiences hate more than dead characters popping up alive and well. Look at how many people were pissed about Leliana, and really, how many people killed her?

Look at it from the writer's point of view. They wanted to introduce the Corypheus character, and they likely have major plans for him down the road. So he has the survive Hawke. There's a number of ways to do this, but are ways that annoys the hell out of audiences. If Hawke couldn't fight him at all, how asstastic would that be? If Hawke fought him and the battle was scripted so Corypheus wins, people roll their eyes at the stereotypical unwinnable battle. I think they might actually have to pay royalties to second rate jRPG writers for that twist. And let's not forgot that players can be both ridiculously insane and supervillain levels of clever when they're given an "unwinnable" battle. Someone, somewhere, somehow, will often find a way. Plus, why would he leave Hawke alive? So the best way is to have Hawke kick his deformed ass (which probably has a tail) and Corypheus slither away through some magical trick that Hawke doesn't notice. It's perfect. And because Corypheus did it by doing something that only demons and deities have been shown to be capable of, despite losing the battle he walks away looking so badass that a first enchanter somewhere is planning to steal his model for his personal abomination form.

But my original point... they're just trying to tell you so you're not surprised (read: pissed off) later. They did the same thing with Flemeth in DAO.

[leggywillow]

Blacklash93 wrote...

If there was ever any doubt that Corypheus posesses Larius or Janeka, look at the finsher movies.



You see them stumble back and then hold their head in the backround right before he dies.

Yep, I just noticed that earlier today.  Janeka was practically convulsing in the background.