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[robotnist]

if you were a band who had the ability to write great, intricate songs, and you worried what the fans wanted, and you started to change your approach to songwriting everytime someone on your forums complained, your band would be lame.

Devs, of all companies need to stop adjusting their games based upon spazballs who hang out on forums.
i love DAO and i love DA2. some day, if a loud minority made bio care about their opinion, and changed their game philosophies, i would be disappointed.

if the loud minority got their wish, we would be playing "the witcher, origins too"...

and to tell you the truth, i have played and enjoyed DA2 way more than both witchers combined. so bioware is doing something right, maybe not for everyone, but for someone like me who has been here since before Baldur's Gate launched, and everything since, that counts for something...

[Cyne]

...so they should ignore you and keep listening to fans? lol

[MeAndMySandvich]

Developers should stop listening to "fans"EA

Fixed.

[txgoldrush]

etherhonky wrote...

if you were a band who had the ability to write great, intricate songs, and you worried what the fans wanted, and you started to change your approach to songwriting everytime someone on your forums complained, your band would be lame.

Devs, of all companies need to stop adjusting their games based upon spazballs who hang out on forums.
i love DAO and i love DA2. some day, if a loud minority made bio care about their opinion, and changed their game philosophies, i would be disappointed.

if the loud minority got their wish, we would be playing "the witcher, origins too"...

and to tell you the truth, i have played and enjoyed DA2 way more than both witchers combined. so bioware is doing something right, maybe not for everyone, but for someone like me who has been here since before Baldur's Gate launched, and everything since, that counts for something...

Mostly right on, however, The Witcher games are much better than both DA games. CD Projeckt listens to fans without being slaves to them.

Bioware needs to keep going the direction they want to go and innovate the series, and going back to Dragon Age Origins is the worst thing they can do. Its like giving up because everything didn't work out as they planned. Plus, except for the repeating and recycled dungeons, DAII's flaws are simply exaggerated, while DAO's are glossed over. And really the #1 problem is that the game was rushed, far more than either gameplay or story problems. It was the world design that was responsible for 95% of the games problems.

DAO was so generic and so conservative that it would really kill the series to go back to it.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 27 juillet 2011 - 01:49 .

[Cyne]

txgoldrush wrote...

Mostly right on, however, The Witcher games are much better than both DA games. CD Projeckt listens to fans without being slaves to them.

Bioware needs to keep going the direction they want to go and innovate the series, and going back to Dragon Age Origins is the worst thing they can do. Its like giving up because everything didn't work out as they planned. Plus, except for the repeating and recycled dungeons, DAII's flaws are simply exaggerated, while DAO's are glossed over.

There is a middle ground however, they can take the best of origins and combine it with what DID work with DA2. Neither game was perfect but saying either one is definitively the direction DA3 and future games should go in would be a mistake in my opinion.

[TEWR]

etherhonky wrote...

if you were a band who had the ability to write great, intricate songs, and you worried what the fans wanted, and you started to change your approach to songwriting everytime someone on your forums complained, your band would be lame.

Devs, of all companies need to stop adjusting their games based upon spazballs who hang out on forums.
i love DAO and i love DA2. some day, if a loud minority made bio care about their opinion, and changed their game philosophies, i would be disappointed.

if the loud minority got their wish, we would be playing "the witcher, origins too"...

and to tell you the truth, i have played and enjoyed DA2 way more than both witchers combined. so bioware is doing something right, maybe not for everyone, but for someone like me who has been here since before Baldur's Gate launched, and everything since, that counts for something...

You see, by saying they should stop listening to fans, you're saying they shouldn't listen to you either. Which means they should listen to their fans.

The fans aren't demanding the devs do anything. We're giving them suggestions on how to make the series better. Whether they do or not is up to them, as it is their game and they are within their right to do what they wish, as it is their series and not ours. However, they still take what the fans say to heart and more often than not they agree with most of the valid points that are made.

And trust me, if they made the next DA like the Witcher in terms of certain things, people wouldn't like that. Fixed protagonist? Screw you Bioware, not again!

All people are asking for when they say "Make DA like the Witcher" is "Make DA have an actual story that makes sense and do more showing, not telling."

[csfteeeer]

txgoldrush wrote...

etherhonky wrote...

if you were a band who had the ability to write great, intricate songs, and you worried what the fans wanted, and you started to change your approach to songwriting everytime someone on your forums complained, your band would be lame.

Devs, of all companies need to stop adjusting their games based upon spazballs who hang out on forums.
i love DAO and i love DA2. some day, if a loud minority made bio care about their opinion, and changed their game philosophies, i would be disappointed.

if the loud minority got their wish, we would be playing "the witcher, origins too"...

and to tell you the truth, i have played and enjoyed DA2 way more than both witchers combined. so bioware is doing something right, maybe not for everyone, but for someone like me who has been here since before Baldur's Gate launched, and everything since, that counts for something...

Mostly right on, however, The Witcher games are much better than both DA games. CD Projeckt listens to fans without being slaves to them.

Bioware needs to keep going the direction they want to go and innovate the series, and going back to Dragon Age Origins is the worst thing they can do. Its like giving up because everything didn't work out as they planned. Plus, except for the repeating and recycled dungeons, DAII's flaws are simply exaggerated, while DAO's are glossed over.

DAO was so generic and so conservative that it would really kill the series to go back to it.

Did i Ever Tell you the Definition.... Of Opinion?

[daemon1129]

csfteeeer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

etherhonky wrote...

if you were a band who had the ability to write great, intricate songs, and you worried what the fans wanted, and you started to change your approach to songwriting everytime someone on your forums complained, your band would be lame.

Devs, of all companies need to stop adjusting their games based upon spazballs who hang out on forums.
i love DAO and i love DA2. some day, if a loud minority made bio care about their opinion, and changed their game philosophies, i would be disappointed.

if the loud minority got their wish, we would be playing "the witcher, origins too"...

and to tell you the truth, i have played and enjoyed DA2 way more than both witchers combined. so bioware is doing something right, maybe not for everyone, but for someone like me who has been here since before Baldur's Gate launched, and everything since, that counts for something...

Mostly right on, however, The Witcher games are much better than both DA games. CD Projeckt listens to fans without being slaves to them.

Bioware needs to keep going the direction they want to go and innovate the series, and going back to Dragon Age Origins is the worst thing they can do. Its like giving up because everything didn't work out as they planned. Plus, except for the repeating and recycled dungeons, DAII's flaws are simply exaggerated, while DAO's are glossed over.

DAO was so generic and so conservative that it would really kill the series to go back to it.

Did i Ever Tell you the Definition.... Of Opinion?

Well in that case.  IMHO BioWare's "innovations" in DA2 are hardly innovations.  Therefore BioWare should stop innovating and listen to the fans who are the ones who pre-order their games, which made up most of the sales. 

You cannot sugar coat everything with "Oh this is just my opinion" and everything would be grand. 

" to tell you the truth, i have played and enjoyed DA2 way more than both witchers combined."

Well in my opinion, this statement completely invalidates whatever the OP says. 

At the end of the day, opinions on forums are hardly anything worth caring.  Just like what I have said so far.  So enough with the IMO.  Whatever you post on forums are already classified as Just Your Opinion.

[PinkDiamondstl]

This OP dude is just being a total a-hole for posting this thead.

[nitefyre410]

*Delete Double Post*

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:11 .

[nitefyre410]

Cyne wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mostly right on, however, The Witcher games are much better than both DA games. CD Projeckt listens to fans without being slaves to them.

Bioware needs to keep going the direction they want to go and innovate the series, and going back to Dragon Age Origins is the worst thing they can do. Its like giving up because everything didn't work out as they planned. Plus, except for the repeating and recycled dungeons, DAII's flaws are simply exaggerated, while DAO's are glossed over.

There is a middle ground however, they can take the best of origins and combine it with what DID work with DA2. Neither game was perfect but saying either one is definitively the direction DA3 and future games should go in would be a mistake in my opinion.

^ This.

Both games had there own strenghts and the own weakness.  Take the strenghts of both and fix the weakness thats what good Devs Etc... do.  Oh and take a  page out Squares Enix... release  classic  game updated with fresh graphics, some add story bits and some  nice  Fan extras and the will keep the ravenous base  quiet for a bit  whislt you get back to  task at hand... I'm serious.

FF Fans: FF 13  RAWWWRRRR Blah blah RAGGEEE! 
 SE: Here you go a  re-release touched  up verison of  FF 4 and FF 6.
FF Fans:   
SE: Back to work guys that should hold them for while. 

Jokes aside really they  just need to take it all with  a grain of  salt and listen to the good suggestions throw out the bad ones and understand that no matter what you do - some fans you will never satisfy. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:12 .

[Icy Magebane]

Hm... I actually agree with the OP... I mean, it's all well and good to be a fan, but artists and writers should not allow themselves to be beholden to the opinions of others. They should just do what they do, and if people like it, great, if not, somebody else will... I mean, there are some really extreme opinions on these and other forums that I've read, and a lot of people seem to agree with them. I'd hate to see some of this stuff implemented in games just because a bunch of vocal... fans... thought it was a good idea.

[MeAndMySandvich]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Hm... I actually agree with the OP... I mean, it's all well and good to be a fan, but artists and writers should not allow themselves to be beholden to the opinions of others. They should just do what they do, and if people like it, great, if not, somebody else will... I mean, there are some really extreme opinions on these and other forums that I've read, and a lot of people seem to agree with them. I'd hate to see some of this stuff implemented in games just because a bunch of vocal... fans... thought it was a good idea.

Well, sh*t, man, I'd take the opinion of a random forumite over the opinion of an EA exec any day of the week.

[OdanUrr]

Feedback is a must for every company. If you don't follow the market closely (as in pay attention to, not change your company every time to fit consumer trends), you'll find yourself out of business, just like that. I would hope that Bioware is smart enough to know what feedback to listen to and what feedback better be left unanswered.

[Savber100]

Bioware needs to be able to discern the root cause rather than use fan complaints as an excuse to make vast changes that no one wanted.

[OdanUrr]

Savber100 wrote...

Bioware needs to be able to discern the root cause rather than use fan complaints as an excuse to make vast changes that no one wanted.

I was speaking, as it were, in general terms. Your remark seems to hint at a rather specific complaint.

[Atakuma]

Savber100 wrote...

Bioware needs to be able to discern the root cause rather than use fan complaints as an excuse to make vast changes that no one wanted.

Laidlaw wanted them.

[Saberchic]

Companies need to adjust some things for the fans. Feedback is important if they want to create a product people will like (and buy). That's why we see these "leaks" of gameplay or video or characters. They test the waters to get a reaction.

Bioware is going to try new things to see how they can change the player experience, hopefully making it better. One of the things they use is feedback from the fans.

I think that most people who say that the company shouldn't listen to their fans are just afraid. They're afraid of some aspect that they loved in the game will be changed, and it'll ruin their experience. I understand that. I have stuff I love in the games too that I wouldn't want changed or taken out, but I'm not going to tell BW that they should stop listening.

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Well, I would venture the opinion that for DA2 they didn't listen to the fans. I don't remember a big outpouring of opinion when DAO came out for wave style combat that embodies the glorious tradition of the original Diablo.

I don't remember people screaming for Darkspawn that look like clowns, elves that look plain silly, or Qunari that look like candy cane tatooed weirdos with stupid horns.

All of the really random design changes that made this game such a joke in my eyes either didn't come from the fans, or came from a demographic so small I didn't hear about it. This game reminds me of the Will Smith western with the giant spider; you sit there (the one time you watch it) and wonder who the hell they made this for;

Bioware is certainly free to keep making games like DA2 but whether it will bring in the revenues they hope for remains to be seen.

[Savber100]

Atakuma wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Bioware needs to be able to discern the root cause rather than use fan complaints as an excuse to make vast changes that no one wanted.

Laidlaw wanted them.

Honestly I don't know what Laidlaw wants but I know he's not actively thinking "hm, what's the best way to ruin DA?" 

He's a good designer but his STYLE is more akin to games like Jade Empire and more action RPGs not tactical RPGs like DA. 

As a result, the request for better combat was taken as a valid complaint to make everyone in DA2 fight like JE NPC wannabes. 

[upsettingshorts]

Jade Empire plays nothing like Dragon Age 2.
Jade Empire plays much, much closer to The Witcher 2.

[Leonia]

If they didn't listen to their fans, I don't think Legacy would have been half as successful. They took a lot of feedback into account.

[PinkDiamondstl]

 This Guy needs to go. This thread is pointless.

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:51 .

[addiction21]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 This Guy needs to go. This thread is pointless.

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Cool more waffles for me. I am sorry you will miss out.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:51 .

[OdanUrr]

@PinkDiamondstl: Please stop spamming.