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[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

HomelessGal wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
Why make DLC be the basis for the next game in the first place? Why not make the basis in the actual game instead of in an optional DLC pack that we have to pay for?

To make a bit more money off a year old game, of course.

Exactly, it's a business ploy to make whatever money they can off a failed DLC pack.

[J. Finley]

I liked Arrival. Sure, it wasn't as fun as LotSB but it was still interesting and worth playing.

[Angel-Shinkiro]

You see it is very simple, I don't want to sound like a douche when I say this but I don't see any other way.

Just because someone played ME 2 before ME or didn't play ME at all DOES NOT mean ME didn't happen, this is what is happening with Arrival and ME3 just because minority of people didn't play something doesn't mean that Bioware will change a significant amount or even the complete story to accommodate for it.

I hope you can understand OP.

[Kane Corr]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
Why make DLC be the basis for the next game in the first place? Why not make the basis in the actual game instead of in an optional DLC pack that we have to pay for?

To make a bit more money off a year old game, of course.

Exactly, it's a business ploy to make whatever money they can off a failed DLC pack.

So...how would you start up ME3? You're looking into it too much. Things happen within that DLC which connects the dots. It isn't the only link that nudges Shepard back to Earth. Though, it in fact, DOES attempt at nudging him back. It merges the whole political atmosphere into view. You worked for Cerberus, and then (Arrival DLC spoilers). It's just a transition...nothing more! It will be forgotten once the enemy that we've been waiting for for years shows up...

Modifié par Kane Corr, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:23 .

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Kane Corr wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
Why make DLC be the basis for the next game in the first place? Why not make the basis in the actual game instead of in an optional DLC pack that we have to pay for?

To make a bit more money off a year old game, of course.

Exactly, it's a business ploy to make whatever money they can off a failed DLC pack.

So...how would you start up ME3? You're looking into it too much. Things happen within that DLC thatconnect the dots. It isn't the only link that nudges Shepard back to Earth. Though, it in fact, DOES attempt at nudgin him back. It merges the whole political atmosphere into view. You worked for Cerberus, and then (Arrival DLC spoilers). It's just a transition...nothing more! It will be forgotten once the enemy that we've been waiting for for years shows up...

Maybe be on trial for supposedly helping Cerberus, which is what I hope they do for the people who didn't play Arrival and didn't do the action which put you on trial.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:25 .

[Kane Corr]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Kane Corr wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
Why make DLC be the basis for the next game in the first place? Why not make the basis in the actual game instead of in an optional DLC pack that we have to pay for?

To make a bit more money off a year old game, of course.

Exactly, it's a business ploy to make whatever money they can off a failed DLC pack.

So...how would you start up ME3? You're looking into it too much. Things happen within that DLC thatconnect the dots. It isn't the only link that nudges Shepard back to Earth. Though, it in fact, DOES attempt at nudgin him back. It merges the whole political atmosphere into view. You worked for Cerberus, and then (Arrival DLC spoilers). It's just a transition...nothing more! It will be forgotten once the enemy that we've been waiting for for years shows up...

Maybe be on trial for supposedly helping Cerberus, which is what I hope they do for the people who didn't play Arrival and didn't make the big war crime decision you apparently had to make.

I whole-heartedly believe that Cerberus is a HUGE part of the Trial. Arrival is just the recent "crime" that was committed. So, you have nothing to worry about.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Kane Corr wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Kane Corr wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
Why make DLC be the basis for the next game in the first place? Why not make the basis in the actual game instead of in an optional DLC pack that we have to pay for?

To make a bit more money off a year old game, of course.

Exactly, it's a business ploy to make whatever money they can off a failed DLC pack.

So...how would you start up ME3? You're looking into it too much. Things happen within that DLC thatconnect the dots. It isn't the only link that nudges Shepard back to Earth. Though, it in fact, DOES attempt at nudgin him back. It merges the whole political atmosphere into view. You worked for Cerberus, and then (Arrival DLC spoilers). It's just a transition...nothing more! It will be forgotten once the enemy that we've been waiting for for years shows up...

Maybe be on trial for supposedly helping Cerberus, which is what I hope they do for the people who didn't play Arrival and didn't make the big war crime decision you apparently had to make.

I whole-heartedly believe that Cerberus is a HUGE part of the Trial. Arrival is just the recent "crime" that was committed. So, you have nothing to worry about.

To clarify, what crime does Shepard even do in Arrival?

[Kane Corr]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...


To clarify, what crime does Shepard even do in Arrival?

Uhh...would rather not spoil it here...message me or look up a youtube video or something!

Modifié par Kane Corr, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:27 .

[nhsk]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

To clarify, what crime does Shepard even do in Arrival?

Modifié par nhsk, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

nhsk wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

To clarify, what crime does Shepard even do in Arrival?

He/she ignites a relay, effectively creating a supernova wiping out a batarian colony with around 305.000 batarians in it. To delay the Reapers which are arriving in that system very soon, it isn't to kill batarians but to delay the Reapers that have to use FTL for a year or two more when discovering the broken relay.

That's quite a war crime, and it's very unfair that my planned high paragon Shepard is forced to be guilty of that. I had absolutely no choice in the action and am immediately made some horrible war criminal of the galaxy, which really goes against the character I planned through ME1 and ME2, and I'm sure others feel the same way. Had I been able to make a choice I wouldn't have done the action you're forced to do in Arrival, which is exactly my point. Whether we've played Arrival or not, whether we're paragon or not, we're forced to become a war criminal and follow along with a prologue we can't control.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[DetailedSubset]

[quote]nhsk wrote...

[quote]Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

SPOILIER!
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[BloodyTalon]

My thoughts that are the two must dlc for mass effect 2 lair of the shadow broker and arrival so you know what is going on with that stuff both are worth it to compare to the others.

[nhsk]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

That's quite a war crime, and it's very unfair that my planned high paragon Shepard is forced to be guilty of murdering 305,000 people. I had absolutely no choice in the action and am immediately made some horrible war criminal of the galaxy, which really goes against the character I planned through ME1 and ME2, and I'm sure others feel the same way.

Cry me a river, you're a spectre (or was). You do whatever necesserary to keep the galaxy safe and you just delayed the reaper invasion by a year or two. Gratz!

[BloodyTalon]

sorry for errors and trypos, shoulod just change my name to typo demon

[Praetor Knight]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Maybe be on trial for supposedly helping Cerberus, which is what I hope they do for the people who didn't play Arrival and didn't do the action which put you on trial.

Sticking with the Trial concept I really like how Siansonea II put it here, in these two posts:

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard's rank in ME3 should be "on trial". I'd say that pretty much everybody outranks him at that point.

Let's face it, Shepard's a deserter, who faked his death to work with Cerberus. He cooked up some stupid cover story about the Collectors, as if they have anything to do with anything, and he and the Illusive Man have been cavorting all over the Terminus Systems killing people. And he's got that idiotic pilot Moreau, who got the first Normandy blown up (coincidence?), and that contrary Dr. Chakwas. Did Shepard and Moreau PLAN to get the original Normandy blown up? It's awfully convenient that Shepard "died" according to Moreau's testimony, and then two years later the two of them are gallivanting across the galaxy in a souped-up NEW version of the Normandy doing the Illusive Man's bidding. Yeah, I definitely smell a rat, a rat wearing a Cerberus uniform. Oh and look, [oops, snip spoiler] And the batarians are humanity's chief rivals. Hmmmmm. Yeah, still smelling a rat...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, that asari, Benezia's daughter, is probably in cahoots with Shepard too, and obviously everyone else on the original Normandy, like that turian C-Sec agent, the quarian fugitive, the krogan merc. The only one who seemed to have a lick of sense or a modicum of loyalty to the Alliance is Alenko. Even though the rest of them turned traitor, Alenko stayed true to his oaths to the Alliance, even though his following Shepard during the mutiny and theft of the original Normandy is a huge black mark on his record, and Shepard's status as a Spectre is the only thing keeping Alenko out of hot water for that. If Shepard had just been an Alliance Commander at that point, CO or no, Alenko would have been court-martialed, as would Moreau, Chakwas, Adams, Pressly and all the others. But Spectre or not, Shepard can't just jump ship and spit on the Council by joining Cerberus. A human supremacist group is by definition anathema to the Council, and should be anathema to everyone who enjoys a safe, peaceful and egalitarian galactic community.

Edit: removing potential spoiler

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:35 .

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

nhsk wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

That's quite a war crime, and it's very unfair that my planned high paragon Shepard is forced to be guilty of murdering 305,000 people. I had absolutely no choice in the action and am immediately made some horrible war criminal of the galaxy, which really goes against the character I planned through ME1 and ME2, and I'm sure others feel the same way.

Cry me a river, you're a spectre (or was). You do whatever necesserary to keep the galaxy safe and you just delayed the reaper invasion by a year or two. Gratz!

Except it completely goes against my character, the actions I would've taken, and the canon I wanted my character to have.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Maybe be on trial for supposedly helping Cerberus, which is what I hope they do for the people who didn't play Arrival and didn't do the action which put you on trial.

Sticking with the Trial concept I really like how Siansonea II put it here, in these two posts:

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard's rank in ME3 should be "on trial". I'd say that pretty much everybody outranks him at that point.

Let's face it, Shepard's a deserter, who faked his death to work with Cerberus. He cooked up some stupid cover story about the Collectors, as if they have anything to do with anything, and he and the Illusive Man have been cavorting all over the Terminus Systems killing people. And he's got that idiotic pilot Moreau, who got the first Normandy blown up (coincidence?), and that contrary Dr. Chakwas. Did Shepard and Moreau PLAN to get the original Normandy blown up? It's awfully convenient that Shepard "died" according to Moreau's testimony, and then two years later the two of them are gallivanting across the galaxy in a souped-up NEW version of the Normandy doing the Illusive Man's bidding. Yeah, I definitely smell a rat, a rat wearing a Cerberus uniform. Oh and look, Cerberus went and blew up a mass relay in a batarian cluster. And the batarians are humanity's chief rivals. Hmmmmm. Yeah, still smelling a rat...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, that asari, Benezia's daughter, is probably in cahoots with Shepard too, and obviously everyone else on the original Normandy, like that turian C-Sec agent, the quarian fugitive, the krogan merc. The only one who seemed to have a lick of sense or a modicum of loyalty to the Alliance is Alenko. Even though the rest of them turned traitor, Alenko stayed true to his oaths to the Alliance, even though his following Shepard during the mutiny and theft of the original Normandy is a huge black mark on his record, and Shepard's status as a Spectre is the only thing keeping Alenko out of hot water for that. If Shepard had just been an Alliance Commander at that point, CO or no, Alenko would have been court-martialed, as would Moreau, Chakwas, Adams, Pressly and all the others. But Spectre or not, Shepard can't just jump ship and spit on the Council by joining Cerberus. A human supremacist group is by definition anathema to the Council, and should be anathema to everyone who enjoys a safe, peaceful and egalitarian galactic community.

Ok, that's totally irrelevant and doesn't pertain to my post.  What exactly is your point?

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:34 .

[KingNothing125]

Srsly, the DLC costs less than a movie ticket. Just get it, play it, and stop hiding behind weasel words like "poorly-reviewed" and "admittedly poor".

[Malanek]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
Why make DLC be the basis for the next game in the first place? Why not make the basis in the actual game instead of in an optional DLC pack that we have to pay for?

I quite like the idea of the DLC filling in the gaps by linking the stories between 2 and 3. If you don't play it it's not the end of the world. But for people who did want more ME2, it's nice that it is relevent to the story as a whole.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Srsly, the DLC costs less than a movie ticket. Just get it, play it, and stop hiding behind weasel words like "poorly-reviewed" and "admittedly poor".

We shouldn't have to pay anything for a DLC which is vital to the next game, it should've been there by default.

[Xarathox]

I just thought up a connection point for all three games in a bit of a "triangle" pattern.

ME1 passively influences certain minor decisions (except for certain key elements) in ME2, which is already known. but ME2 might passively influence minor decisions in ME3, but ME1 directly influences all major decisions in ME3.

That would make ME3 a direct sequel to ME1, leaving ME2 mostly a stand alone chapter with no true influence (apart from the LotSB and Arrival DLC's) to ME3.

Of course, Mac could **** up that idea altogether.

[nhsk]

Yes unfortunately sometimes your GF breaks up with you even though you had it all planned out.

What other action would you have taken?

Letting the Reapers arrive, use the relay and start the invasion a year prior? And those 305.000 batarians would have been nuked from orbit anyway in less than 30 minutes.

[Malanek]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Srsly, the DLC costs less than a movie ticket. Just get it, play it, and stop hiding behind weasel words like "poorly-reviewed" and "admittedly poor".

We shouldn't have to pay anything for a DLC which is vital to the next game, it should've been there by default.

It's NOT vital to the next game. You will be able to import a ME2 save without playing arrival.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

nhsk wrote...

Yes unfortunately sometimes your GF breaks up with you even though you had it all planned out.

What other action would you have taken?

Letting the Reapers arrive, use the relay and start the invasion a year prior? And those 305.000 batarians would have been nuked from orbit anyway in less than 30 minutes.

I would've chosen a different action, regardless of what it was, to save lives. The main problem I have with this is that it forces my character to become what the game wants it to be, not what I want it to be. It feels like a really low move taking control of a major action away from me just to make an excuse for being on Earth. And if that delay was supposed to be a year, too bad, because ME3 takes place months after ME2 and Arrival, and the Reaper invasion is in full swing. Doesn't seem like nuking a colony got us anywhere, which is what I especially don't like about the prologue.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:38 .