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[Reciever80]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

1) Devs have said that if you havent played Arrival, they will introduce another mechanism to get Shepard to go to Earth.
2) See above.
3) See above.

I was actually just thinking about how they were going to do this the other day. Quite simple, really. Just nab him for working with cerberus. You've seen the dossier on Hackett. The Alliance tried snagging Shep the day he set foot on Omega. Luckily Hackett denied the request.... : )

[Kaiser Shepard]

Finally, a third Kaiser!

Soon, our numbers will grow even larger, and you will fear us as we take control of these forums and rename it the Kaiser Social Network. Muahahahahah!

*ahem*

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:41 .

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Reciever80 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

1) Devs have said that if you havent played Arrival, they will introduce another mechanism to get Shepard to go to Earth.
2) See above.
3) See above.

I was actually just thinking about how they were going to do this the other day. Quite simple, really. Just nab him for working with cerberus. You've seen the dossier on Hackett. The Alliance tried snagging Shep the day he set foot on Omega. Luckily Hackett denied the request.... : )

If they make two possible prologues depending on whether you've played Arrival or not, I'd be happy. I'd much rather be on trial for Cerberus support than nuking a random colony.

[LiquidLogic2020]

What I don't quite get is how they can put a spectre on trial? But then again I havent played arival yet, just bought it today along with all of the other dlc (all half price this week!)

Modifié par LiquidLogic2020, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[Praetor Knight]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Ok, that's totally irrelevant and doesn't pertain to my post.  What exactly is your point?

So you are fine putting you Paragon Shepard on trial afterall?


Siansonea II's posts that I quoted are from an outside perspective of what Shepard did in ME2, and you don't need to weigh the events of Arrival to put Shepard on Trial.

[KingNothing125]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

We shouldn't have to pay anything for a DLC which is vital to the next game, it should've been there by default.

What about expansion packs? They move the story along, and you have to pay for them. Do you have problem with that? Take Blizzard, for example... Starcraft 2 expects you to have played Brood War. World of Warcraft expects you to have played The Frozen Throne... Diablo 3 will undoubtedly expect you to have played Lord of Destruction.

What's the difference between those and Arrival or Lair of the Shadow Broker? What is DLC if not a small, inexpensive expansion pack?

[nhsk]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

I would've chosen a different action, regardless of what it was, to save lives. The main problem I have with this is that it forces my character to become what the game wants it to be, not what I want it to be. It feels like a really low move taking control of a major action away from me just to make an excuse for being on Earth. And if that delay was supposed to be a year, too bad, because ME3 takes place months after ME2 and Arrival, and the Reaper invasion is in full swing. Doesn't seem like nuking a colony got us anywhere, which is what I especially don't like about the prologue.

Yes well you can try to warn the colony, but your message gets interrupted and the transmission tower taken out.

And I don't think you''re fit to be a spectre, besides even months is better than now as the Alliance high command have finally seemed to recognise the Reaper threat. 3 months more is 3 more months to get a couple of extra Thanix cannons, ablative plating etc. installed.

But you have made up your mind. You're angry because life didn't unfold as you wanted, it happens. Have a nice evening, night, whatever..

[SerraAdvocate]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Yes unfortunately sometimes your GF breaks up with you even though you had it all planned out.

What other action would you have taken?

Letting the Reapers arrive, use the relay and start the invasion a year prior? And those 305.000 batarians would have been nuked from orbit anyway in less than 30 minutes.

I would've chosen a different action, regardless of what it was, to save lives. The main problem I have with this is that it forces my character to become what the game wants it to be, not what I want it to be. It feels like a really low move taking control of a major action away from me just to make an excuse for being on Earth. And if that delay was supposed to be a year, too bad, because ME3 takes place months after ME2 and Arrival, and the Reaper invasion is in full swing. Doesn't seem like nuking a colony got us anywhere, which is what I especially don't like about the prologue.

There was no other option. You do it, and kill 305,000 people, or you don't, the reapers show up, kill you, and wipe out all life in an unsuspecting and unprepared galaxy. 

[Dreadwing 67]

It prepares you more for ME3. People and races (potentially) are gonna die. These are 2km long super AIs that mind control. There is no vent shaft to blow them up. The force won't save you Kaiser Skywalker. Stormtroopers are the least of your problems, you got husks and said AI rampaging major cities.

You have to do the necessary thing in Arrival. If there was time, Paragon would alert the Batarians and Renegade would puff they're cigar at the four eyes. Shepard is a war criminal to a government that is incompetent and about to be blown to hell. Everyone that convicts you will either be dead or husks.

[Shad0wOGRE]

The simplest solution would be for you to buy the DLC and play it for yourself.

[didymos1120]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Except it completely goes against my character, the actions I would've taken, and the canon I wanted my character to have.

Sometimes, you just don't get to have it all work out.  Sometimes, no matter how good a person you are, your choice is between "bad" and "worse".  Arrival is simply one of those times. 

[didymos1120]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

What I don't quite get is how they can put a spectre on trial?

Because Spectres only have blanket immunity if the Council says they do.  This was a waaaaaay bigger incident than Eden Prime.  The Council, either version, ain't gonna hesitate to let the trial go forward.

[Angel-Shinkiro]

I just love how everyone ignores my post, I answer the OP's question but no one seems to acknowledge it.

[PARAGON87]

Really, there shouldn't be a trial at all, because a lot of our Shepards are still SPECTREs.

Which is the Council's way of saying you are above the law.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 27 juillet 2011 - 02:55 .

[Dreadwing 67]

Angel-Shinkiro wrote...

You see it is very simple, I don't want to sound like a douche when I say this but I don't see any other way.

Just because someone played ME 2 before ME or didn't play ME at all DOES NOT mean ME didn't happen, this is what is happening with Arrival and ME3 just because minority of people didn't play something doesn't mean that Bioware will change a significant amount or even the complete story to accommodate for it.

I hope you can understand OP.

its a fine point

[Logan Polk]

Ok, I'm going to end all of this feeding around the bush and just outright tell you what happens if you choose the Pargon route in Arrival.

If you choose the full out paragon route you try and warn the Batarians but the enemy cut you off before you can get the message out. There is no way to avoid the deaths of the Batarians in any way.

[KingNothing125]

Plus I think you're missing something from the Arrival spoilers in this thread. It sounds like you're under the impression that Shepard shows up and just decides to nuke a relay.

He has no choice. There really is no morality in play here. You literally have minutes to spare by the time you blow the thing up. The Reapers are in what is left of the Bataht system, that is to say they have reached the Milky Way, at the end of ME2. So you can either blow up the system to give the rest of the galaxy more time to prepare, or you can do nothing and let the Reapers start-a-reapin'. Neither of those strikes me as particularly Paragony.

Though I guess when the galaxy is all wiped out, you can lie there bleeding on your deathbed with a clear conscience, "at least I didn't kill a bunch of batarians. it's too bad they died anyway."

[nhsk]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Really, there shouldn't be a trial at all, because a lot of our Shepards are still SPECTREs.

Which is the Council's way of saying you are above the law.

Shepard is on trial for show, Hackett admits it. Humanity can't afford a war with the Batarians with the reapers at the galaxys doorstep, politely knocking in the door.

But the batarians have been looking for an excuse for all out war against humanity ever since humanity showed up in the galaxy.

So to appease the batarians humanity has to put Shepard on trial.

[Praetor Knight]

Angel-Shinkiro wrote...

I just love how everyone ignores my post, I answer the OP's question but no one seems to acknowledge it.

That happens, but I think Kaiser_Wilhelm's OP was more related to importing a Paragon Shepard into ME3, and with the potential trial.

[Dreadwing 67]

nhsk wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

Really, there shouldn't be a trial at all, because a lot of our Shepards are still SPECTREs.

Which is the Council's way of saying you are above the law.

Shepard is on trial for show, Hackett admits it. Humanity can't afford a war with the Batarians with the reapers at the galaxys doorstep, politely knocking in the door.

But the batarians have been looking for an excuse for all out war against humanity ever since humanity showed up in the galaxy.

So to appease the batarians humanity has to put Shepard on trial.

Too bad we couldn't appease the Reapers the same way.

"Take Shepard's body and the stinky Batarians. Would you like an extra large Krogan with that."

[didymos1120]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Which is the Council's way of saying you are above the law.

Yeah, and they dropped Saren's ass like a hot coal for a hell of lot less.

[Bogsnot1]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

What I don't quite get is how they can put a spectre on trial?

Think of it like a cop (from whatever country) who goes to work for Interpol. While they have broad-reaching powers being an Interpol agent, they are still able to be tried for crimes in their home country.
Not the best analogy, but you get the general idea.

[didymos1120]

Angel-Shinkiro wrote...

I just love how everyone ignores my post, I answer the OP's question but no one seems to acknowledge it.

Why are we required to, exactly?  Let the OP address as it is addressed to the OP.

Modifié par didymos1120, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:07 .