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[KingNothing125]

AquamanOS wrote...

Not only do you fail if you don't do anything, you get a special cutscene seeing the galaxy doomed too.

Really? I wondered what would happen if you let the countdown run all the way down, but I didn't want to leave ME2 running for 2 hours, lol.

[Swimming Ferret]

Things like this ****** me off; I don't have LIVE, I cannot get it where I live. Therefore I cannot get LoTSB, or Arrival, now I stuck right out of the loop because Bioware takes it for granted we can all get it. >:/

[Praetor Knight]

KingNothing125 wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

Not only do you fail if you don't do anything, you get a special cutscene seeing the galaxy doomed too.

Really? I wondered what would happen if you let the countdown run all the way down, but I didn't want to leave ME2 running for 2 hours, lol.

I dunno how long it takes but here it is on youtube.
WARNING, Don't click the link if you are avoiding Arrival spoilers: www.youtube.com/watch

[LOLandStuff]

Being paragon doesn't mean being a holy person. Some of the paragon options are much worse than renegade.
My main is paragon and I did what I had to do. I didn't sit in a corner waiting because it's against my moral code. As a paragon, you're just understanding and patient and trying to solve your problems without violence. But you can be just as cruel and badass as a renegade. A good example is Garrus' LM and Overlord DLC.
You play a soldier who's willing to do almost anything to stop the Reapers. If you have no choice then your "good" and "evil" bars don't matter anymore. The Reapers about half an hour away from the Relay. If you feel guilt over the sacrifice you make then just let the time run out and start a new Shepard for ME3 since the former is dead.

[KingNothing125]

Damn that's hardcore, lol. Sweet though.

[sephiroth199127]

Yeah i wondered this, i think if the down to have whatever you did in arrival affect the trial, then they should do it based on you morality if you a renegade then you did the renegade option if you paragon well you get the point. If you did do arrival then what ever you do gets imported.

[Kaylord]

The prologue is a bit too much forced. As was working with/against Cerberus. So I got used to it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xarathox wrote...

I agree about the "Arrival" fiasco.

If BW had intended for the conclusion of that mission to be the trigger for the trial prologue in ME3, then it should've been added to the vanilla version of ME2 instead of tacking it on way late...that you have to ****ing pay for. <_<

Did you play it?

[Kaylord]

My Shepard would have kept the collector´s base, handed it over to the Alliance or even the Council. When faced with the Arrival dilemma, he would have tried to kill that one indoctrinated agent much sooner and faster instead of doing stupid dialogue, and he would have surely made more effort about a warning message. He wouldnt have done stupid speeches like "thats what we do" or "we fight or die", either. An option like just walking away would have been waaay cooler and satisfying.

Jesus, Bioware, get your writers out of their creative lazyness!!!!!!!!!

[TobyHasEyes]

Kaylord wrote...

My Shepard would have kept the collector´s base, handed it over to the Alliance or even the Council. When faced with the Arrival dilemma, he would have tried to kill that one indoctrinated agent much sooner and faster instead of doing stupid dialogue, and he would have surely made more effort about a warning message. He wouldnt have done stupid speeches like "thats what we do" or "we fight or die", either. An option like just walking away would have been waaay cooler and satisfying.

Jesus, Bioware, get your writers out of their creative lazyness!!!!!!!!!

 That " that's what humans do" line does induce cringing, and seems out of character if your Shepard isn't human-centric in his/her thinking

[The Twilight God]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thought this, but I've not been very happy with ME3's prologue. According to information, you begin on Earth on-trial for the events of Aftermath. Earth is attacked by a Reaper invasion as you're there, and you must escape Earth. Now, let me explain why this relatively simply prologue annoys me.

1. This prologue assumes you've played Arrival. This is my biggest complaint. I know I'm not the only one who's never played the Arrival DLC.

2. This prologue immediately makes Shepard a technical war criminal. As I said, I'm not sure what happened in Arrival, but if it's gotten Shepard on trial, then in all technicalities, they're a war criminal. This is a more minor complaint but it still annoys me. In my playthrough over ME1, ME2, and ME3, I've been trying to get a high paragon character.

3. There are many, many more possiblities as to what the prologue could be. The way I see it, the current prologue is nothing more than an excuse to be on Earth and a cheap reference to an admittedly poor DLC pack. .

1. Play Arrival then. Some people never played ME1. I guess you were mad that there were references to it in ME2, right?

 You don't like that Arrival is canon? I don't like the fact that you haven't played it so I guess we're even.

2. Technically, the events of ME2 make Shepard an enemy of the state. The Council simply chose to pretend like they did not see him.

3. How would you know if it is a poor DLC? You haven't played it.  The only reason Arrival is not liked is because A.) it wasn't LotSB awesome and B.) you have to do something "terrible" even though that "terrible" action saved the entire galaxy and cost the reapers a huge advantage. 

[Daiyus]

I haven't read all five pages here, but this is where I stand. I have played Arrival, as a Paragon, and as a Shepard who tries to save as many lives as possible. I did not feel that the plot in Arrival undermined that in any way. The way the plot points were laid out allowed you to constantly try to do a good thing. It was situational that bad stuff went down. At the end you are commended for doing what you could, but are still told you need to be put on trial for political reasons.

That being said, if you don't play it there's plenty of ways to find out what happens, and I wouldn't be surprised if the actions of your Shepard are recounted at the trial (changing based on morality of import).

[Dean_the_Young]

KingNothing125 wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

Not only do you fail if you don't do anything, you get a special cutscene seeing the galaxy doomed too.

Really? I wondered what would happen if you let the countdown run all the way down, but I didn't want to leave ME2 running for 2 hours, lol.

I think you can do it if you take too much time for the 'get to the shuttle' final segment. That's, what, 15 minutes at the start?

Plus, youtube.

[Swimming Ferret]

My concern is that if you don't get Arrival and LotSB how much will it impact ME3? I really don't want to be screwed over simply because I cannot get LIVE where I live.

[LPPrince]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

My concern is that if you don't get Arrival and LotSB how much will it impact ME3? I really don't want to be screwed over simply because I cannot get LIVE where I live.

Tough break, but it won't affect the main storyline THAT much. They have to account for those who just CHOSE to not buy the DLC's.

You'll be fine. Sucks you can't get Xbox Live, but you'll live.

[General User]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
2. This prologue immediately makes Shepard a technical war criminal. As I said, I'm not sure what happened in Arrival, but if it's gotten Shepard on trial, then in all technicalities, they're a war criminal. This is a more minor complaint but it still annoys me. In my playthrough over ME1, ME2, and ME3, I've been trying to get a high paragon character. I realize war's not always black and white, difficult decisions have to be made. However, I hate immediately starting as a war criminal on trial, especially considering that for me and others who've not played Arrival have no say in what's going on. We didn't make any difficult decisions, we didn't do any major actions, we're just thrown into some trial that has no real bearing or purpose to our characters, and whether we like that war criminal image or not, it's given to us without choice. This basically throws away the entire high paragon image I was going for, and I'm sure others went for as well. And as I said, I don't know what happened in Arrival, whether Shepard did some huge crime or not, but even if he didn't, being on military trial makes him a war criminal, in a technical sense, and this is an image I personally don't like. However, this wouldn't be a real complaint, since by now it's irreversible, if it didn't fit in with my third point.

I take some issue with this.  From a story perspective I really like the idea of the despised hero, who does the right thing and gets no praise, but rather scorn. Especially with regards to Mass Effect, where paragon decisions have been largely praised by other in game characters. A despised paragon makes for a refreshing and welcome change.

Plus, you kinda ruffled my civil libertarian feathers with this paragraph. Specifically your use of the words "technical" and "technically" with regards to Shepard being a "war criminal." Any person being on trial, military or civilian, only makes someone an accused or alleged criminal of any sort. So technically Shepard isn't a war criminal until and unless a guilty verdict is returned.  Just puttin' it out there. 

[nhsk]

LPPrince wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

My concern is that if you don't get Arrival and LotSB how much will it impact ME3? I really don't want to be screwed over simply because I cannot get LIVE where I live.

Tough break, but it won't affect the main storyline THAT much. They have to account for those who just CHOSE to not buy the DLC's.

You'll be fine. Sucks you can't get Xbox Live, but you'll live.

I'm not entirely sure, but can't you download xbox live stuff from the internet on your computer and just transfer it to your xbox with a external drive?

I can't seem to find Pinnacle Station on Xbox live itself. But when searching for it, and its availability on the internet, I came to a site that said it was for Xbox live with a download link (still had to pay of course) - but not sure I want to bother with Pinnacle Station anyway, so didn't actually test it.

But if you can get Pinnacle Station that way I'm pretty sure you can find ME2 DLC the same way. Anyone tried this method?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

pablodurando wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I mean - not to spoil anything, but in Arrival you have to make a tough decision, and no matter what you decide, you're going to end up on trial.

Wait, tough decision?  What are you talking about?

The question that has haunted my being has finally been answered, my choices are my own, And how ironic when I finally learn this I have no choice at all.

-Dinobot from Beast Wars: Transformers season 2 episode Code of Hero.

The reason why I quoted that is because:
a) it's a good quote.

I think it's time that some people get off the "Bioware didn't give me a choice" meme.

The thing is no matter what RPG you play from any company you only have the choices the gamemakers allow and sometimes the choices suck, well guess what? It's true in real life. Sometimes we don't have any choice in our life. So yeah the choice in Arrival was basically SPOLIER ALERT the clock is ticking  and you have to make a choice between a) tyring alert the batarrian colonists or  contact Joker to save your hide. 

Not much of a choice but in that situation what did you expect?

[jamesp81]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Srsly, the DLC costs less than a movie ticket. Just get it, play it, and stop hiding behind weasel words like "poorly-reviewed" and "admittedly poor".

We shouldn't have to pay anything for a DLC which is vital to the next game, it should've been there by default.

OK, two points

1) I would assume that if you don't play it, the essential high points get explained at the beginning of ME3.
2) DLC is how Bioware operates.  You can like that or not, but nothing is going to change it.  The only thing you need concern yourself with is how much money you're willing to spend vs how much game content you want.  The complaining about it has been done unto death on these forums, and most are quite tired of hearing about it.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Kaylord wrote...

The prologue is a bit too much forced. As was working with/against Cerberus. So I got used to it.

This is my real point. I don't care if things go my way or not, but if it's something big, I want at least some part of it. I don't want to be forced into action. Bioware is making a prologue based on optional DLC which forces the player into what they want them to do, it's a total loss of control moment for the player, and I don't think it's fair.

[jamesp81]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Things like this ****** me off; I don't have LIVE, I cannot get it where I live. Therefore I cannot get LoTSB, or Arrival, now I stuck right out of the loop because Bioware takes it for granted we can all get it. >:/

Yet another reason I refuse to play games on consoles, where my content is restricted to whatever the manufacturers decide I can have.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

jamesp81 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Things like this ****** me off; I don't have LIVE, I cannot get it where I live. Therefore I cannot get LoTSB, or Arrival, now I stuck right out of the loop because Bioware takes it for granted we can all get it. >:/

Yet another reason I refuse to play games on consoles, where my content is restricted to whatever the manufacturers decide I can have.

It's also unfair to console players since they can't get DLC. It's not optional for them and they're forced into a plot based on actions they couldn't even choose or make.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 27 juillet 2011 - 01:46 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

Arrival may have been poorly reviewed, but honestly, I think it was a darn good bit of DLC. It gave a new twist on gameplay- by being solo AND by giving you a challenge of stealthiness. Not to mention the challenge of surviving the battle at Object Rho.

Besides, if you didn't play the DLC, assume you're on trial for joining up with Cerberus. Zulu_DFA called that one right after ME2 was released.

[KainrycKarr]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

That's quite a war crime, and it's very unfair that my planned high paragon Shepard is forced to be guilty of murdering 305,000 people. I had absolutely no choice in the action and am immediately made some horrible war criminal of the galaxy, which really goes against the character I planned through ME1 and ME2, and I'm sure others feel the same way.

Cry me a river, you're a spectre (or was). You do whatever necesserary to keep the galaxy safe and you just delayed the reaper invasion by a year or two. Gratz!

Except it completely goes against my character, the actions I would've taken, and the canon I wanted my character to have.

Yeah, cause it makes total sense to just let the Reapers come right then and there.