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[KainrycKarr]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Things like this ****** me off; I don't have LIVE, I cannot get it where I live. Therefore I cannot get LoTSB, or Arrival, now I stuck right out of the loop because Bioware takes it for granted we can all get it. >:/

Yet another reason I refuse to play games on consoles, where my content is restricted to whatever the manufacturers decide I can have.

It's also unfair to console players since they can't get DLC. It's not optional for them and they're forced into a plot based on actions they couldn't even choose or make.

All DLC is available to PC, Xbox, and PS3. I don't know what you're talking.

[Swimming Ferret]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Things like this ****** me off; I don't have LIVE, I cannot get it where I live. Therefore I cannot get LoTSB, or Arrival, now I stuck right out of the loop because Bioware takes it for granted we can all get it. >:/

Yet another reason I refuse to play games on consoles, where my content is restricted to whatever the manufacturers decide I can have.

It's also unfair to console players since they can't get DLC. It's not optional for them and they're forced into a plot based on actions they couldn't even choose or make.

Yeah, my friend has that problem since she's on PS3, and thus had no idea what was going on, as she couldn't get ME1 so Wrex was dead and so was the council. She was also all "LOL who is this person and why are they pissed at me?" when she was on Horizon.

[AlanC9]

That's got nothing to do with DLC, SwimmingFerret.

[Lumikki]

I don't mind how ME3 starts, but I do mind little bit that it doesn't make any sense for players who don't buy DLC's.

[AlanC9]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

That's quite a war crime, and it's very unfair that my planned high paragon Shepard is forced to be guilty of murdering 305,000 people. I had absolutely no choice in the action and am immediately made some horrible war criminal of the galaxy, which really goes against the character I planned through ME1 and ME2, and I'm sure others feel the same way.

Cry me a river, you're a spectre (or was). You do whatever necesserary to keep the galaxy safe and you just delayed the reaper invasion by a year or two. Gratz!

Except it completely goes against my character, the actions I would've taken, and the canon I wanted my character to have.

Yeah, cause it makes total sense to just let the Reapers come right then and there.

I'm confused. Is Kaiser_Wilhelm complaining that the developers were being really mean to Shepard by not giving him an option he'd like?

[maxpowers2525]

shepard is used as a scape goat has everyone forgotten that

[xentar]

Luc0s wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Being paragon doesn't mean being a holy person. Some of the paragon options are much worse than renegade.

O realy? Like what? Can you give an example of a paragon option being much worse than the renegade option?

There's a lot of arguable ones that just had to be assigned a morality due to a flawed system being used. I think rewriting the heretics is a more "evil" thing to do, some people find using results of torture/sentient beings being experimented upon unacceptable.

[xentar]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yeah, cause it makes total sense to just let the Reapers come right then and there.

It can, depending on your value system. It's too bad there is no option to just try to GTFO, get far away from reaper's operations and live a nice long life since it takes centuries to wipe all life out. As for the galaxy, it's not worth saving.

[littlezack]

If you want to let the Reapers come and not blow up the relay, you are free to do that - but the consequence is that the Reapers immediately take over everything, so no ME3 for you.

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Why will nobody tell the OP that he has no choicemin Arrival, which is something that happened in the history/lore that affects the opening of the third game no matter what? Even my high-Paragon goody-two-shoes Shepard HAD to destroy the relay and kill all those Batarians to slow the Reapers arrival?

Arrival is DLC giving you the Option, key phrase here, to play an event that did happen in the story of Mass Effect, whether you play it or not?


"In my game, I don't feel Shepard would have wasted time mopping up Geth, but I wasn't given a choice so I dieded in the beginning of ME 2 and that's BS!!!!"

Really?...

[MACharlie1]

OP: Got news for you. You're a war criminal anyway. Working for Cerberus - an enemy of the Council and, for in tense and purposes, a terrorist organization? Doesn't matter if it was willingly or not. As far as the Alliance is concerned, you're a traitor to the Alliance military thus a war criminal.

[RocketManSR2]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

To clarify, what crime does Shepard even do in Arrival?

He/she ignites a relay, effectively creating a supernova wiping out a batarian colony with around 305.000 batarians in it. To delay the Reapers which are arriving in that system very soon, it isn't to kill batarians but to delay the Reapers that have to use FTL for a year or two more when discovering the broken relay.

That's quite a war crime, and it's very unfair that my planned high paragon Shepard is forced to be guilty of that. I had absolutely no choice in the action and am immediately made some horrible war criminal of the galaxy, which really goes against the character I planned through ME1 and ME2, and I'm sure others feel the same way. Had I been able to make a choice I wouldn't have done the action you're forced to do in Arrival, which is exactly my point. Whether we've played Arrival or not, whether we're paragon or not, we're forced to become a war criminal and follow along with a prologue we can't control.

Now your Shepard knows the pain and guilt that Mordin feels over the genophage. You both regret it, but it had to be done. There will most likely be a summary of the important stuff at the beginning of 3, anyway. Didn't the devs mention that? BioWare has stated many times that they want 3 to be accessible to people that didn't play 1 or 2 at all, much less any DLC.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 27 juillet 2011 - 03:56 .

[Rahmiel]

Not to mention, Shepard does not have to have committed a war crime in which to be brought to trial for one. The appearance of war crimes will also get you a trial. Much like how a lot of people are prosecuted for theft, murder, manslaughter, but not all around found guilty.

Shepard's actions (throughout ME2 and especially in "Arrival") warrant a trial. It's that simple. Shepard has more people to convince than a couple of admirals, or a reclusive tycoon..

[AlanC9]

Jeez... I'm glad somebody remembered that being on trial != guilty.

[Omega Torsk]

I'm not dissatisfied at all... how can I be dissatisfied with something I've only seen a brief glimpse of?

If you just choose to cross your arms and not play a core story DLC, that's your problem. However, Bioware knows what they're going to do and, sorry to tell you, they are going to do it. Didn't play LotSB? ME3 will just assume you did. Same goes for Arrival.

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

And ME2's intro was totally different from ME1's intro, so why can't we
have a new concept for ME3? Why do we have to use the same exact formula
from ME2?

You're confusing. I don't remember the Alliance forcing Shepard to be on trial in the first and second game. I'd call that a new concept.

[The Twilight God]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Things like this ****** me off; I don't have LIVE, I cannot get it where I live. Therefore I cannot get LoTSB, or Arrival, now I stuck right out of the loop because Bioware takes it for granted we can all get it. >:/

Yet another reason I refuse to play games on consoles, where my content is restricted to whatever the manufacturers decide I can have.

It's also unfair to console players since they can't get DLC. It's not optional for them and they're forced into a plot based on actions they couldn't even choose or make.

Luckily for you there are no choices in Arrival.

[assassin of Keelah]

marshalleck wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

assassin of Keelah wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

1) Devs have said that if you havent played Arrival, they will introduce another mechanism to get Shepard to go to Earth.
2) See above.
3) See above.

Link please?

Having problems finding it. I think its buried deep in one of the twitter feeds.

If it matters any, I remember a statement to that effect being made as well. If the player didn't actually play through Arrival, getting Shepard to Earth will play out a little bit differently, but apparently the events did still happen.

Ok i guess ill just take your words on it then, not a huge deal

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

People need to get over it already, DLC was canon to the story, you can either:
1: Buy and play it.
2: Don't buy it and deal with it being canon in ME3.
3: or don't buy it and don't buy ME3.

Seriously, people on here are becoming so annoying, did anyone complain about how you where force to start ME1? or how about how the story in ME2 required your death? Face it, Video games, no mater how much you are given choice, there will always be something that you cannot do, or dont have power over.

[AquamanOS]

Way I see it Arrival was necessery to end to the open ended Free Roaming after ME2 where you basically take the SR2 and go off the grid for a few months according to one of the novels.

It was so ME3 has a set starting point instead of Shepard just waking up in the SR2 and hearing that the Reapers are attacking and starting the game in some random sector of space.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

I think Bioware is sly, they like to feed misinformation and causing a ruckus and then once the game comes out, they can play the well we didn't want to spoil it for you game.

[Meshaber]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Yes unfortunately sometimes your GF breaks up with you even though you had it all planned out.

What other action would you have taken?

Letting the Reapers arrive, use the relay and start the invasion a year prior? And those 305.000 batarians would have been nuked from orbit anyway in less than 30 minutes.

I would've chosen a different action, regardless of what it was, to save lives. The main problem I have with this is that it forces my character to become what the game wants it to be, not what I want it to be. It feels like a really low move taking control of a major action away from me just to make an excuse for being on Earth. And if that delay was supposed to be a year, too bad, because ME3 takes place months after ME2 and Arrival, and the Reaper invasion is in full swing. Doesn't seem like nuking a colony got us anywhere, which is what I especially don't like about the prologue.

I'm sorry the game doesn't cover for your wish of letting your elite commando-spectre be an incompetent snivelling idiot. If you would've "chosen another action", you would've let the galaxy die. Oh, that's actually an option by the way. You get the chance to make your paragon decision and just let the reapers do their thing, there's a short cutscene depicting the end of galactic civilisation.

[HTTP 404]

the entire argument OP is making is based on the Arrival DLC. thats it. no need for a long winded 3 point post stating and restating the point.

But I do think OP has a point, its just overblown IMO.

With that said, Me3 should come with arrival DLC as a prologue to Me3. problem solved.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

You either let the reapers invade right there, or you can prepare for a few months and try to buy some time, Those Batarians where dead either way.