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[PinkDiamondstl]

Real classy there. You go away troll...........

[StingingVelvet]

Valve are trying to use their market share to push companies around and force all DLC sales and such to go through them. EA aren't playing ball, which is to be expected.

Origin isn't bad, I actually really like it.

[DTKT]

StingingVelvet wrote...

Valve are trying to use their market share to push companies around and force all DLC sales and such to go through them. EA aren't playing ball, which is to be expected.

Origin isn't bad, I actually really like it.

I don't think that's the case. DLC can be offered outside of Steam but it that's the case, it also needs to be on Steam.

There have been theories that it was the prevent F2P games to be on Steam but to offer the entire paid content outside of it. If studios could do that, they would get the benefit and the audience of Steam without paying a dime for being on the platform.

Modifié par DTKT, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:02 .

[OdanUrr]

It was really a matter of time, at least for companies like EA who have the means to cut the middle-man in order to increase revenue. Perhaps we'll be looking at some Steam/Origin hybrid in a few years' time?

[daemon1129]

talon0226 wrote...

daemon1129 wrote...

I genuinely don't understand whats wrong. You don't have to buy it through Steam. You don't have to play the game through Steam, you don't need Steam to play DA2. So sorry, am I missing something here?

It's simple, some of us use steam as our source of games and had bought this game through it, since EA and Valve have to fight over every little cent it’s the end user that pays for it, Origin seems to be what EA feels all users of their products should have to use where a product like Steam isn't restricted to one publisher, yes I'm all sure we all understand that Valve makes money off other publishers products sold through Steam but let’s be honest, who is paying to host, support, deliver and update all those products? It's Value and yes you could say EA will do that for their own games they don't give room to other developers and frankly I've dealt with "support" from both companies, at least the people from Valve don't come from a country where they don't understand some basic English questions and reply with standard pre typed out stuff then give you the same answer for ANY question you ask, that’s what EA does. EA's cheapness and lack of caring for their products or users of their products insults both the customer and the publishers you love like Bioware. The fact they make you buy "points" to buy any of their DLC is a spit in your face and they know it. Valve is just as much to blame throwing out a game over new rules on DLC but then again maybe they also agree that you having to buy points to get your DLC is an insult as well.

Now I understands, thank you for the clearing it up for me.  I guess I'm ignorant in these platforms because I refuse to use them, but never understood why people would want to have to run a cilent to play a game.

[adneate]

StingingVelvet wrote...
Valve are trying to use their market share to push companies around and force all DLC sales and such to go through them. EA aren't playing ball, which is to be expected.

EA is knowingly violating the Steam terms of service by trying to have their games on the Steam storefront while at the same time advertising their Steam competitor by making customers download patches and DLC through Origin. They're essentially trying to have their cake and eat it to, they want access to Steam's audience but they want those people to then use Origin anyway. If you were in Valve's position why would keep these clowns on the storefront? They're obviously only there because they want to leech off your install base so that they can stab you in the back later and pull everything off your service.

[OdanUrr]

Kotaku's in on it too:

http://www.kotaku.co...nsteam-scuffle/

Modifié par OdanUrr, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:48 .

[Sarda]

So out of curiosity, will the steam version of DA2 still be patched, or are we screwed in the future.

[devSin]

adneate wrote...

EA is knowingly violating the Steam terms of service by trying to have their games on the Steam storefront while at the same time advertising their Steam competitor by making customers download patches and DLC through Origin. They're essentially trying to have their cake and eat it to, they want access to Steam's audience but they want those people to then use Origin anyway. If you were in Valve's position why would keep these clowns on the storefront? They're obviously only there because they want to leech off your install base so that they can stab you in the back later and pull everything off your service.

What does this have to do with Origin? You buy your points here, you spend your points here, you download your content here, you view and control your account here... the only reason I have EADM/Origin installed is for Pinnacle Station, and I haven't launched or used it since. I've certainly never seen EA even point me in that direction, and I have nearly every piece of DLC they've released.

I don't think there's any incentive for EA to give Valve a cut on their DLC sales, especially at the expense of having two different competing purchasing mechanisms for PC DLC (points vs. USD).

And honestly, it's probably moot. It's not as if DA2 is selling like hotcakes anymore.

Modifié par devSin, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:49 .

[spanko2]

I don't get what DLC has to do with this? DA:O is still on steam and its DLC is handled the same as DA2. ME2 is the same as well.

[Animositisomina]

Sarda wrote...

So out of curiosity, will the steam version of DA2 still be patched, or are we screwed in the future.

^^^ This. Can someone, perhaps Mr. Barrett, comment on this? Will those of us that own the game on Steam still receive patches for it?

[astrallite]

daemon1129 wrote...

I genuinely don't understand whats wrong. You don't have to buy it through Steam. You don't have to play the game through Steam, you don't need Steam to play DA2. So sorry, am I missing something here?

You are right. A real fan should buy the game again to prove their loyalty.

[Morroian]

spanko2 wrote...

I don't get what DLC has to do with this? DA:O is still on steam and its DLC is handled the same as DA2. ME2 is the same as well.

ME2 is the same but DAO isn't. DAO downloaded DLC from directly in game. Obviously that was problematical because DA2 and ME2 we have to download it from the Bioware website and install it.

Apparently this download from a competing online service violates the new Steam Terms of Service.

[Morroian]

Sarda wrote...

So out of curiosity, will the steam version of DA2 still be patched, or are we screwed in the future.

Good point, screwed I would imagine or we have to download and install directly.

[Sarda]

I don't think the manual patch would go through on a steam game, they almost never work. In my experience if a steam game doesn't get a update and a manual one exists like Anno 1404 for example, there was no way even editting the patch to make it go thru.

[0x30A88]

I would never buy a game that uses another client than Steam, but I'm okay with games without Steam. Will all retail also need that Origin client?

[Melca36]

Sarda wrote...

I don't think the manual patch would go through on a steam game, they almost never work. In my experience if a steam game doesn't get a update and a manual one exists like Anno 1404 for example, there was no way even editting the patch to make it go thru.

If I can download DLC and install it on a Steam Version of DA:2...I'll be able to download a patch.

[Sarda]

That's not the same thing.

[Bryy_Miller]

Brockololly wrote...
 they're trying to cram Origin down everyone's throat.

You're smarter than this, Brock. Don't play the Revolutionary Gamer card in the same thread where you play the Intelligent Consumer card.

astrallite wrote...
You are right. A real fan should buy the game again to prove their loyalty.

This isn't The Witcher 2 thread, you know. 

[LordPaul256]

All I will say is that I will never use Origin. I prefer to use Steam to purchase my games, but I'm not above acquiring them through other means. This, in the end, will only hurt EA. And to an extent BioWare, I would assume.

Oh, and is no one upset that EA is using the name Origin after EA disbanded the studio Origin in 2004. You know... the guys who created the Ultima & Wing Commander series. *sigh* Probably not the right crowd.

[bEVEsthda]

PARAGON87 wrote...

adneate wrote...

But EA is the king of throwing good money after bad, nobody pisses away millions with total disregard for their customers or the hard reality of the market. Hey EA instead of wasting millions of dollars trying to fight
Valve you could use that money to make sure your subsidiary studios have
the time and money to produce games that aren't rushed pieces of
garbage.

Or does that make too much sense?

QFFT (Yes, that's two F's).  Although EA has improved with their quality over the last 5-10 years, to their credit.

The only improvement I can see is that Dice for some weird reason seem to still hold out, despite being gobbled up by EA. Is it the sheer geographic distance perhaps? And cold climate?

As for EA vs Valve, that's a battle EA lost when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, so say 'bout 100 million years ago.
But that might not mean so much to EA. PC-gamers are, after all, irrelevant, eh?

[Icinix]

I think this is a case of gaming companies getting too big for their boots.

*sigh*

Regardless, I hate - READ - BITTER VIOLENT HATE AND DISGUST - at digital distribution platforms.

I can't stand the bloated nature of Steam, Impulse, Windows Live, Origin etc etc.

So please, fight amongst yourselves - the only people you hurt - are obviously ... yourselves.

[wolfsite]

The real problem here is a lot of information is based on assumptions either just to have information or merely a point of view that is looked at with rose-tinted glasses.

Only way to know for sure is to get both companies to say what is going on.

EA has made a few statements about this since people have demanded them in the past but have been called liars by everyone.

Valve has not said a thing and everyone seems to not have a problem with that.


It is obviously something new in which certain games in the past don't fall under, but it has to be something more than DLC related since many games on Steam can still get DLC either in game (SSFIV) or other games that use GFWL as there primary delivery service.

Again we don't know all the facts so most of the information is guess work.

[Jcarlo123]

As much as I hate this, I really don’t see how steam has any other option. What’s to prevent EA (or another company) from, for example, releasing a super cheap version of Battlefield 3 or DA2 on steam, then selling all of the “real” game content via "DLC" through their in game stores? It would essentially be a back door free 2 play model where steam would have to host the game for virtually nothing, while the publishers take all the profits by selling the rest of the game content via their own in game stores.

I’m not sure how Valve can be construed as greedy in such a model as they really aren’t charity. If they aren’t getting a sizable cut from hosting the game then they really shouldn’t be expected to host it.

I’m not saying that EA is going to do this now, but if Valve doesn’t make a hardfast policy, it opens the door for such forms of exploitation in the future from other companies. Given the huge increase in games profiting from "micro-transactions" and "DLC" it's not surprising that Valve has changed its policy on the issue. Other digital download services will have to do the same as well eventually if they want to stay solvent and don't want to become nothing more than the distributors of glorified "Demos" for games while the "real" content of the game is sold directly from the publishers via in game stores.

At anyrate, I don’t see how this will benefit the gamer as it really does seem like it’s just starting down the inevitable road to every publisher having their own download service. Which will suck as it will completely kill market competition (say good buy to cheap games online as only developers will be selling their own games so there will be virtually no competition in the digital market) and it will completely fragment the gaming community forcing everyone to have 12 different clients for each big video game distributor.

If EA really cared they'd work out some sort of profit sharing deal with steam or they'd just offer the DLC through steam. Which isn't to blame EA entirely as I'm sure Valve could also perhaps work out some formula where a certain percentage of sales must be made through the base game for them to offer it on Steam in order to weed out companies who might try to exploit the sale of DLC like this for their own gain. I think both Valve and EA could work out some solution if they really wanted to, but I doubt they will as both have the power and influence to throw their weight around.

Which, as I said, sucks as the gamer only stands to lose from this both in terms of convenience and pricing (not to mention online gaming communities which will splinter into separate factions dedicated to individual games, rather than being more diverse communities built around larger distribution systems, like steam).

Modifié par Jcarlo123, 27 juillet 2011 - 12:08 .

[LordPaul256]

Good point on the DLC, Jcarlo123.

Though I honestly don't think EA will win this fight. Others have already tried and failed. Steam have an above excellent relationship with indie developers, a fairly good one with their clients (some will debate this), and lesser companies that don't have the resources or desire to start their own DD service will stick with Steam rather than use a competitor's service. (Like Take 2 Interactive - publisher of Civilization, Elder Scrolls, and Grand Theft Auto games).

The only way EA can really make Origin work is to make it a mandatory service for The Old Republic. Even then it's a very dicey. Would MMO players really want to sign in to their game twice every time - once through Origin and again through TOR's client system? Seems like a huge risk for what could be a potential lost on a massive investment. Then again, EA has shown that they're willing to risk sales to push Origin, so who knows?