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[kingjezza]

Somehow I don't think they would fire the whole team only to rehire them all a few months later, although it's the first time I've ever heard that used as a reason why day1 DLC is a good idea, kudos for that.

[PsychoWARD23]

This is retarded. EA will end up losing. Badly. So they release Dragon Age 2, shove Origin down our throats and now are removing their games from Steam?

I, for one, am not going to support them anymore. It's a shame, Legacy looked pretty good.

[Atakuma]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

This is retarded. EA will end up losing. Badly. So they release Dragon Age 2, shove Origin down our throats and now are removing their games from Steam?

I, for one, am not going to support them anymore. It's a shame, Legacy looked pretty good.

Steam is the one removing the games.

[Icinix]

Atakuma wrote...

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

This is retarded. EA will end up losing. Badly. So they release Dragon Age 2, shove Origin down our throats and now are removing their games from Steam?

I, for one, am not going to support them anymore. It's a shame, Legacy looked pretty good.

Steam is the one removing the games.

Yeah, I'm no fan of EA - but in this regard - I don't think this is simply a case of big bad EA, or big bad Steam.

[Catlana]

Icinix wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

This is retarded. EA will end up losing. Badly. So they release Dragon Age 2, shove Origin down our throats and now are removing their games from Steam?

I, for one, am not going to support them anymore. It's a shame, Legacy looked pretty good.

Steam is the one removing the games.

Yeah, I'm no fan of EA - but in this regard - I don't think this is simply a case of big bad EA, or big bad Steam.

Steam changed their Terms of Service because of the new f2p games on the site. I do not see any of the big three (EA, Activision, or Ubisoft) agreeing to those ToS. I can easily predict that the other two; Activision already has the Blizz store while Ubi has talked about setting up one in the near future. The conflict is over DLC purchasable in the app (ala the recent issue with the Apple store and Amazon's kindle app). 

[PsychoWARD23]

http://boards.ign.co...04182825/p1/?37

[LemuresXL]

Hmm, At first I figured Steam took it off because they saw how many people got ripped off simply by paying money for DA2.

Anyways, EA broke the rules by allowing the DLC to be bought Only through them. So Steam said F off. Understandable really. Companies know how this works.

[Gotholhorakh]

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

That's pretty funny. Valve vs. EA is hilarious to watch.

Nobody vs EA is hilarious to watch. 

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:39 .

[Morroian]

LemuresXL wrote...

Hmm, At first I figured Steam took it off because they saw how many people got ripped off simply by paying money for DA2.

Anyways, EA broke the rules by allowing the DLC to be bought Only through them. So Steam said F off. Understandable really. Companies know how this works.

EA DLC has been bought only through EA for years now. Its not new.

[mesmerizedish]

Filament wrote...

Since when can I download DLCs through the game? I've had to get them directly off the Social site.

You can't in DAII, but you could in Origins.

[Sylvius the Mad]

PARAGON87 wrote...

If it comes to a point that we have to load 15 seperate clients to play 16 games, it will kill PC gaming as we know it and all publishers will go back to CDs.

We shouldn't have to load a client at all.  Why can't we just launch the game without having to run some sort of shell first?

[LordPaul256]

Atakuma wrote...
Steam is the one removing the games.

Heh.  Reminds me of when a cousin got kicked out of school.  "I didn't leave, they made me leave!" 

I know, I know... you don't care, and Steam is obviously at fault, and no amount of people saying otherwise will convince you.  That's fine.  People are entitled to their predispositions. 

However, other game companies were made aware of these policies.  A long time ago, in fact.  And, surprise, they've actually changed their model to allow their new DLC to be accessed through Steam.  Microsoft, Take 2 Interactive, Activision, etc.

Now, one company did not do that.  Then acted surprised and hurt when it happened.

I'll let you guess which one. 

[Morroian]

LordPaul256 wrote...

However, other game companies were made aware of these policies.  A long time ago, in fact.  And, surprise, they've actually changed their model to allow their new DLC to be accessed through Steam.  Microsoft, Take 2 Interactive, Activision, etc.

Now, one company did not do that.  Then acted surprised and hurt when it happened.

I'll let you guess which one. 

So why not withdraw ME2 or DAO then? Why should small DLC, which isn't available from any retailer, have to be available through Steam?

[Nepenthe87]

bleetman wrote...

Darth Postal wrote...

Do you even feel the difference between "require to run" and "sold only through"?

Apparently not, so I'll explain it to you.

You can buy any "Steamworks" game from other digital and retail distributors. Direct2Drive, EA store, GOG etc. Each of these sellers have their own prices/sales/promotions, so you can CHOOSE where to buy.

Hmm. Really? Are you sure about that?

Let's not start pretending that EA aren't doing anything that hasn't been done for years now.

that link is stupid since GoG.com only sells old games (and witcher 2). You definitely will not find portal 2 on GoG.com since they dont really sell any games made past 2004.

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 27 juillet 2011 - 11:12 .

[LordPaul256]

Morroian wrote...

So why not withdraw ME2 or DAO then? Why should small DLC, which isn't available from any retailer, have to be available through Steam?

It's a new policy.  Valve, not wanting to be complete jerks (obviously debatable here), decided not to grandfather the clause into previously existing DLC, like that from ME2 and DA:O.  But companies were warned that this would affect future DLC.  Other companies made changes.  EA did not.

As to why, I'll quote Jcarlo123 from earlier in the thread, since he hit it on the head:

Jcarlo123 wrote...
 What’s to prevent EA (or another company)
from, for example, releasing a super cheap version of Battlefield 3 or
DA2 on steam, then selling all of the “real” game content via "DLC"
through their in game stores? It would essentially be a back door free 2
play model where steam would have to host the game for virtually
nothing, while the publishers take all the profits by selling the rest
of the game content via their own in game stores.

I’m not sure
how Valve can be construed as greedy in such a model as they really
aren’t charity. If they aren’t getting a sizable cut from hosting the
game then they really shouldn’t be expected to host it.

I’m not
saying that EA is going to do this now, but if Valve doesn’t make a
hardfast policy, it opens the door for such forms of exploitation in the
future from other companies.

*snip*

It's sound financial policy.  EA is the only one upset that he can't wear his trenchcoat to school anymore. 

[kingjezza]

All I know is EA don't really give a flying monkeys about the PC market, on the other hand I probably wouldn't be playing games at all now if not for steam, Valve have done more for PC gaming than EA will ever do.

I know where my loyalty lies.

[bleetman]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

that link is stupid since GoG.com only sells old games (and witcher 2). You definitely will not find portal 2 on GoG.com since they dont really sell any games made past 2004.

I linked those three because those three were specifically named as examples beforehand, something that really shouldn't need explaining.

[Withidread]

Steam has always been waiting for something like this. At least, ever since you could purchase games made by companies other than Valve.

EA and Valve are direct competitors for our video game dollars. It makes sense that Valve would jump at the chance to make money off of other developer's games. It also makes sense that a company with EA's resources wouldn't go for that.

Also, if Origin is able to become a real competitor to Steam, I consider that a good thing. Consumers (that'd be us) benefit from such competition.

[xkg]

Who cares about loyalty huh ?
EA games are cheaper on EA's origin so should I pay more just because I am stubborn. Nope sorry.
I am gamer for almost 30 years (20 years on PC) I never bought any game on Steam and I am doing fine.

Why should I buy for example :
digital version of Dragon Age 2 on steam for 50 euro if i can buy boxed version for 37 euro.
or maybe digital version of Witcher 2 for 50 euro ? Nope there is boxed version for 20~25 euro.

Modifié par xkg, 27 juillet 2011 - 11:42 .

[LordPaul256]

Withidread wrote...

Also, if Origin is able to become a real competitor to Steam, I consider that a good thing. Consumers (that'd be us) benefit from such competition.

I'm curious on a few points here:

1)  Steam promotes indie games.  They host games from almost every gaming company.  No other gaming company is going to use Origin.  Where's the competition?

2)  Steam already has insane deals.  I just got Just Cause 2 for $5, and Dark Messiah of Might & Magic + HoMM V Complete for $5 during the summer sale.  Arkham Assylum is currently $7.50 as we speak.  How would competition makes these prices any lower? 

xkg wrote...

Why should I buy for example :
digital version of Dragon Age 2 on steam for 50 euro if i can buy boxed version for 37 euro.
or maybe digital version of Witcher 2 for 50 euro ? Nope there is boxed version for 20~25 euro.

DA2 was on sale for less than € 37 during the summer sale.  I forget the exact price because I already own DA2 through Steam, and the EA "deals" during the summer sale were mediocre at best.   That said, being the typical Steam sale, the "mediocre deal" was still better than what you're paying for boxed.  Say what you will about loyalty, but you can't argue the price.

If you just want the phsyical copy, I can't fault you for that.  

[xkg]

LordPaul256 wrote...

xkg wrote...

Why should I buy for example :
digital version of Dragon Age 2 on steam for 50 euro if i can buy boxed version for 37 euro.
or maybe digital version of Witcher 2 for 50 euro ? Nope there is boxed version for 20~25 euro.

DA2 was on sale for less than € 37 during the summer sale.  I forget the exact price because I already own DA2 through Steam, and the EA "deals" during the summer sale were mediocre at best.   That said, being the typical Steam sale, the "mediocre deal" was still better than what you're paying for boxed.  Say what you will about loyalty, but you can't argue the price.

If you just want the phsyical copy, I can't fault you for that.  

I am talking here about regular prices not some short period sales. And i know exactly what was the price and i have a proof.

http://social.biowar...90094/2#7898860

[LordPaul256]

xkg wrote...

I am talking here about regular prices not some short period sales. And i know exactly what was the price and i have a proof.

http://social.biowar...90094/2#7898860

Um... if you want to get pedantic, the current price is "non existant." 

You asked why you should use Steam in regards to price.  I said you can get amazing deals.  You do not want to use these amazing deals when they happen.  Alright.  I feel that's the end of this discussion.  

EDIT:  Obviously you should continue to use Tesco and I'm at a lost for why you're in this thread. 

Modifié par LordPaul256, 28 juillet 2011 - 12:03 .

[Withidread]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Withidread wrote...

Also, if Origin is able to become a real competitor to Steam, I consider that a good thing. Consumers (that'd be us) benefit from such competition.

I'm curious on a few points here:

1)  Steam promotes indie games.  They host games from almost every gaming company.  No other gaming company is going to use Origin.  Where's the competition?

Steam started out in very similar fashion with Half-Life 2, if you'll recall. There's nothing preventing EA from doing something similar except their own intentions.