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We Can't Save Earth, We Can't Beat the Reapers


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Did anyone else have their two favorite stores on the Citadel? :)

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IsaacShep wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

I volunteer the dwarf planet, Pluto, to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Hasn't it suffered enough? Leave Pluto alone!!!11

No, because Pluto's a hero the galaxy deserves, but not one it will need in the future. So we'll send it into the Charon relay because it can take it. Because Plutos's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. The first Plutoid. :bandit:

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Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

So, by your theory, the Citadel is a
desolate wasteland that is completely uninhabitable due to Sovereigns
guts being spilled all over it?
I'll cross it off my holiday destination list.


My favorite store was on that citadel

You both made me laugh!

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CrAzInAtOr wrote...

Did anyone else have their two favorite stores on the Citadel? :)



None of my favourite stores are on the Citadel. Saving the Council + using the 'intimidate' option = win. I will never not laugh when I can accuse the asari of classism.

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BTW, there are many 'theories' flying around as to why the reapers will not be beaten or earth will be gone. Well folks it is a game and the hero will find a way to beat the villain. Of course one of the endings could be worst of all, but even then reapers will get the boot because making them invincible will make the game unplayable. Bioware won't want that.

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I'd like to point out that, because there are billions of people on earth, we could probably gather enough resources to remove the destroyed reapers from earth's gravitational field/atmosphere. That other planet didn't have any lifeforms capable of removing the debris from the planets atmosphere. So over the course of YEARS, the wreckage, eventually, was pulled to the surface of the planet. And the two races fighting wouldn't have bothered clean up after losing that many ships.

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GoG ToXiC wrote...

I'd like to point out that, because there are billions of people on earth, we could probably gather enough resources to remove the destroyed reapers from earth's gravitational field/atmosphere. That other planet didn't have any lifeforms capable of removing the debris from the planets atmosphere. So over the course of YEARS, the wreckage, eventually, was pulled to the surface of the planet. And the two races fighting wouldn't have bothered clean up after losing that many ships.

I apologize for being silly, but I suddenly imagine the need of an army of bots like this one:

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SJK93 wrote...

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"Cannot be stopped...CANNOT BE STOPPED!"



Can anyone guess the reference? Because this OP post reminded me of this specific scene.

(It's in Mass Efffect 1)


The Prothean message on Ilos.

Do I win anything?




HAHAHAH yesssssssssssssssss. Well, I have nothing to give. Shall we partake in a conjoined laughing spree?

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Guys, it was too much for me to digest! However, the logic stands apparently correct and though attracts arguments but can surely go upper-hand with any. One idea came into my mind; as much as foolish it may sound, why can't the Citadel species (Alliance, Turians, Asari, Salarian, etc.) create a hybrid hero(s) cultivating the best genetic traits of all species - say the hybrid creature (or for that matter Shepard) will be having the Charge, Tactical Cloak, Adrenaline Rush, Singularity, Drone deployer, tech armor and all other tech + biotic powers combined together in a single creature and make an armies of such clone. That way I hope we are sure to win the war against the Reapers and beyond. And well did I forget to mention that this army of hybrid commandos/shock troopers will be entangles in a quantum way thereby granting them a unified mind to fight in unison.

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GoG ToXiC wrote...

I'd like to point out that, because there are billions of people on earth, we could probably gather enough resources to remove the destroyed reapers from earth's gravitational field/atmosphere. That other planet didn't have any lifeforms capable of removing the debris from the planets atmosphere. So over the course of YEARS, the wreckage, eventually, was pulled to the surface of the planet. And the two races fighting wouldn't have bothered clean up after losing that many ships.


Its not as easy clearing debris from our atmosphere as you think. While ships in the ME universe no longer have to worry about their ships exploding from something as small as a pebble becuase of mass effect barriers, it doesn't mean we can catch up to, and clean them.

Simply would cost too much time, energy, and resources. The codex (or was it the earth description?) even backs this up by explaining how much crap is still polluting earths atmosphere. (which follows how crowded and dangerous the space around earth is in real life from all the crap we leave up there)

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Yes, but the advent of kinetic barriers removed the necessity of clearing the debris. If our planet was about to die, I'm sure the people of earth would be more than willing to spend fortunes saving their planet. It's kind of like diabetes. When insulant was developed, it diverted huge amount of money away from finding a true cure. Kinetic barriers did the same thing. It was no longer necessary to clear the debris from our atmosphere. If our ships didn't have shields, do you think we wouldn't be spending huge amounts of money trying to clear the atmosphere so that our ships can fly safely?

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Kane Corr wrote...

SJK93 wrote...

Kane Corr wrote...

"Cannot be stopped...CANNOT BE STOPPED!"



Can anyone guess the reference? Because this OP post reminded me of this specific scene.

(It's in Mass Efffect 1)


The Prothean message on Ilos.

Do I win anything?




HAHAHAH yesssssssssssssssss. Well, I have nothing to give. Shall we partake in a conjoined laughing spree?


We certainly shall!

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SogaBan wrote...

Guys, it was too much for me to digest! However, the logic stands apparently correct and though attracts arguments but can surely go upper-hand with any. One idea came into my mind; as much as foolish it may sound, why can't the Citadel species (Alliance, Turians, Asari, Salarian, etc.) create a hybrid hero(s) cultivating the best genetic traits of all species - say the hybrid creature (or for that matter Shepard) will be having the Charge, Tactical Cloak, Adrenaline Rush, Singularity, Drone deployer, tech armor and all other tech + biotic powers combined together in a single creature and make an armies of such clone. That way I hope we are sure to win the war against the Reapers and beyond. And well did I forget to mention that this army of hybrid commandos/shock troopers will be entangles in a quantum way thereby granting them a unified mind to fight in unison.


Becaise that would be an abomination, not a hybrid. Genetics doesn't work like that, and the powers that shep uses are not genetic and require training.

All of this takes time and resources the universe doesn't have, and even if they did have time would not be feasible.

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Yes, BioWare is totally going to make a game where you cannot win.

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I already beat ME 3 - as it turns out, the cake is a lie.

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Valentia X wrote...

Er, I don't know if being turned into a
giant hot pocket for the Reapers qualifies as saving the human race...
we'd just look like a rejected concept art from the Terminator series,
at least if Reaper baby is anything to go by.


It is not ideal but it is better than total extinction. Our genetic line will survive. This is the best option open to us.

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

1) That technology has advanced alot since that planet and there could very well be ways of cleaning up Element Zero which that planet didn't have at the time.


Like what? A giant vacuum? That's ridiculous. Dust form element zero is exactly what it sounds like: dust. By the time it has poisoned the planet cleaning it up won't help much.

In any case I'm not going to invest all my faith in a technology that only might exist.

Show me the proof.

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

2) The fighting could take place all across the solar system and not just dirrectly around Earth because that would make for a very crowded battlefield so if we win than we'd have all the time in the world to make sure the dead reapers didn't fall into our planet's pull.


We already know that isn't the case. They're on Earth working to accomplish their goal.

ISpeakTheTruth rote...

Finally you want to turn humanity into 'Gerber's human stew' for baby Reapers? How can you claim to be in favor of humanity while advocating...


I explained why.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Er, I don't know if being turned into a
giant hot pocket for the Reapers qualifies as saving the human race...
we'd just look like a rejected concept art from the Terminator series,
at least if Reaper baby is anything to go by.


It is not ideal but it is better than total extinction. Our genetic line will survive. This is the best option open to us.


I'd argue that being extinct is better than being a Reaper.

Quick, I think Saphra's indoctrinated. Who has enough paragon points to pick whichever blue dialogue option will save him?

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Pffft. Take out the Reapers? All I need is a couple dozen MCains, some duct tape, and the Normandy. Shepard said it was going to be hard as hell but it ain't impossible.

I refuse to allow them to win. I'll fight to the death. I'll let those damn aliens take my planet from me from my cold dead fingers! It's high time we make those Reapers regret the minute they turned their eyes on humanity. . .

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CrAzInAtOr wrote...





Great post, great thought, and really
hard to argue with. But the one thing that will keep the Reapers from
fleeing even in imminent destruction is their unrelenting pride.






You know this how? You'd certainly like that to be true but I see no reason to believe it is.






Bogsnot1 wrote...



I suggest you watch Sovereign exploding, and then have another chat wth Anderson in ME2 about Sovereign.




Yes,
large pieces of debris caused the damage. Eezo wasn't a problem because
you protect yourself from eezo the same way you do vacuum.



Try and think with your brain here. I don't have much patience for slow people.



Why you are comparing a space sation to a planet is beyond me.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Planets entries are just flavor text, and not meant to be taken as canon unless reinforced by ingame dialogue.


GTFO.


ThanesSniper wrote...

I'd argue that being extinct is better than being a Reaper.


Then you're a lunatic.

You'll die, you'll all die. Everyone you've ever met, anyone you've ever loved!

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or humans could turn our worlds destruction into our strength like the krogans did and evolve into some of the best warriors in the galaxy

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Saphra Deden wrote...

You'll die, you'll all die. Everyone you've ever met, anyone you've ever loved!


Wouldn't we all die being processed to become a Reaper to begin with?

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Saphra Deden...you are already indoctrinated. It is too late. I am so sorry.

"Joker! Let's get out of here!"

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Nashiktal wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

Guys, it was too much for me to digest! However, the logic stands apparently correct and though attracts arguments but can surely go upper-hand with any. One idea came into my mind; as much as foolish it may sound, why can't the Citadel species (Alliance, Turians, Asari, Salarian, etc.) create a hybrid hero(s) cultivating the best genetic traits of all species - say the hybrid creature (or for that matter Shepard) will be having the Charge, Tactical Cloak, Adrenaline Rush, Singularity, Drone deployer, tech armor and all other tech + biotic powers combined together in a single creature and make an armies of such clone. That way I hope we are sure to win the war against the Reapers and beyond. And well did I forget to mention that this army of hybrid commandos/shock troopers will be entangles in a quantum way thereby granting them a unified mind to fight in unison.


Becaise that would be an abomination, not a hybrid. Genetics doesn't work like that, and the powers that shep uses are not genetic and require training.

All of this takes time and resources the universe doesn't have, and even if they did have time would not be feasible.


I hope it's safe to assume that to fight an abomination you need another abomination. If I am not wrong I remember - Cerberus doesn't need a hero, they need a one-man army. I presume their thoughts are not illusive at all.

Besides, when you say Powers require training; admitting that I have to say - for example - the Asari species much much less cooldown time for the next shot to be released because they are genetically biotics; the Salarians having an accelerated Metabolic Rate can think and process information much faster than other species, though short-lived.

Being a professional of bio-technology, I do know that at least in current trend the genetics "doesn't work like that way" but then again in that light of Logic it's a fools dream to even daydream of implanting L5 implants in humans to raise thier biotics prowess!

What I am saying is not that Rome will be built in a day BUT given the advancement (courtesy of Prothean tech), it's not that difficult to figure out something like that or even close to it. And well, I am obviously not omitting the training part, of course!

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Wouldn't we all die being processed to become a Reaper to begin with?


Well... yeah, you will. Your genetic material will survive however.  That's better than the nothing that will survive if you refuse the Reapers' offer.

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GoG ToXiC wrote...

Yes, but the advent of kinetic barriers removed the necessity of clearing the debris. If our planet was about to die, I'm sure the people of earth would be more than willing to spend fortunes saving their planet. It's kind of like diabetes. When insulant was developed, it diverted huge amount of money away from finding a true cure. Kinetic barriers did the same thing. It was no longer necessary to clear the debris from our atmosphere. If our ships didn't have shields, do you think we wouldn't be spending huge amounts of money trying to clear the atmosphere so that our ships can fly safely?


You missed the point of my post mate. I already said kinetic barriers protect ships from debris. What I said was that we simply CAN'T clean our atmosphere.

Sure we can clean out the big pieces, or the full husks of ships. But the smaller bits? (Smaller being relative here) Its just impossible. Its not a matter about safety of ships, its just you would not be able to match the speed of the debris to clean it. It will either stay in orbit, or enter the atmosphere.

And as the description of the planet seems to imply, element zero doesn't seem to burn up in the atmosphere easily. Eath is already a polluted mess. Its just going to get worse now.

Even if the reapers don;t pollute the earth with element zero... the thousands of alliance ships massing over earth will.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:03 .